Mailman 3 October 1998 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Sun recommended patches breaks python/mailman, help!
by Tomas Fasth Oct. 29, 1998

Oct. 29, 1998

Farul, If you want us to help you, you should try to provide a more detailed description of your problems. For example, what did the bounced messages look like, what kind of problem did they report? I have experienced problems myself running latest Mailman (checked out from cvs repository) when switching from Python 1.5 to 1.5.1. But I haven't had time to dive into that more deeply just yet. I currently do not run any live lists, so no pressure on me ;-) A vague guess regarding the Solaris sendmail would be that Sun's patch might have disabled "pipe" aliases which is used by Mailman to redirect incoming mail for processing. I also suspect that Sun have made a major update of their sendmail codebase to the latest version available on the net. This might cause you extra headache because of substantial changes in the configuration file. Anyway, making Mailman to work with a new version of sendmail seem to be of lesser magnitude compared to your problem related to different versions of Python interpreter and it's environment. By the way, I have done some work on creating a mailman mailer definition in sendmail. This removes the need for piped aliases but would of course require a modified configuration file for sendmail. It kind of works, but I wouldn't recommend to go live with it for the moment. >So I reverted back to Python 1.5 with mailman 1.0b4, which so far seems to >work from the command line. However, I'm still having problems with the >web server, accessing the admin page gives the following error > >Traceback (innermost last): [compressed] >IOError: (13, 'Permission denied') So, the web server aren't allowed to access a certain file. Normally the webserver and Mailman is running as different user id's. This is always a source of trouble if the permission and owner settings gets messed up on certain files. But I have no good advise on this, other than you should try to determine which file(s) is causing the problem and correct the file permission settings somehow. >I'm going to revert back to Apache 1.3.0, and if that doesn't work, >backout of the multiple patches I installed for y2k and security. This >seems somewhat drastic so I'd really appreciate any tips from anyone >before doing this. Try not to panic. You need those sec and y2k patches sooner or later anyway. I hardly think reverting to older apache releases will do you a bit good. The most probable cause for some of your problems might be that by making upgrades certain files get replaced which have already been tailored by you or other software installations. Thus the break down. In order to avoid this in the future we need to understand why things got broken in the first place. Your situation might help in that regard. Your real problem is that you're the one taking the first blow ;-) A standing recommendation for now seem to be: do not upgrade anything on live mailman installations. You have our full sympathy. ;-) Tomas

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Bug Message
by Alvin Gunkel Oct. 29, 1998

Oct. 29, 1998

Hello, I have installed mailman and Python 1.5.1 per instructions. When trying to access the subscribe program I get the following: We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/u1/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main main() File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 30, in main path = os.environ['PATH_INFO'] File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/UserDict.py", line 12, in __getitem__ def __getitem__(self, key): return self.data[key] KeyError: PATH_INFO Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip REMOTE_HOST valkyrie.marymount.edu GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 PATH /usr/sbin:/usr/bin SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.0 SERVER_PORT 80 HTTP_HOST phoenix.marymount.edu REQUEST_METHOD GET SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/subscribe SERVER_URL http://phoenix.marymount.edu SERVER_SOFTWARE Netscape-Enterprise/3.5.1G HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en HTTPS OFF PYTHONPATH /u1/mailman REMOTE_ADDR 199.111.97.97 HTTP_COOKIE MajorCool_ListSorted=1; MajorCool_InfoWrap=1; MajorCool_Conf2Column=1; MajorCool_GenJavaScript=1; MajorCool_GenMenuMode=1; MajorCool_BrowseOwnerless=0; MajorCool_GenMenuStart=(no pref); MajorCool_GenFontIncr=+3; MajorCool_GenFontFace=Helvetica; MajorCool_GenSubmitImages=1; MajorCool_GenCache=1; MajorCool_ConfHelp=1; MajorCool_GenScreenWidth=550; MajorCool_ListMaxSize=25000; MajorCool_ConfAll=1 SERVER_NAME phoenix.marymount.edu TZ US/Eastern HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; U) HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 HTTP_ACCEPT image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* -- ******************************************************************************* Alvin Gunkel Systems Administrator Voice (703) 284-5950 Marymount University 2807 N. Glebe Rd. Internet gunkel(a)marymount.edu Arlington, VA 22207-4229 *******************************************************************************

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Sun recommended patches breaks python/mailman, help!
by Farul Ghazali Oct. 27, 1998

Oct. 27, 1998

I posted this on comp.lang.python, but thought I should post here too. I recently installed the Sun Recommended patches on my Solaris 2.5.1 x86 box, along with the Sun Year 2000 fixes for it. Unfortunately, this broke my mailing list server and I didn't realize it until about 2 weeks later (very quiet mailing list :) At first it seemed as if all the mail was bouncing back, so I backed out of the sendmail patch from Sun's huge patch cluster. Then mail was getting out, but nothing else worked. I'm running Python 1.5, with mailman 1.0b4 over Apache 1.3.0. The second thing I tried doing was upgrading everything (apache 1.3.3, Python 1.5.1 and mailman 1.0b5), which was a big mistake, since mailman 1.0b4 and 1.0b5 doesn't seem to work with Python 1.5.1 at all ( something about a CRYPT error even though I did compile in the crypt module). So I reverted back to Python 1.5 with mailman 1.0b4, which so far seems to work from the command line. However, I'm still having problems with the web server, accessing the admin page gives the following error Traceback (innermost last): File "/export/home2/mailman/scripts/admin", line 836, in ? main() File "/export/home2/mailman/scripts/admin", line 149, in main lst = maillist.MailList(list_name) File "/export/home2/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 64, in __init__ self.Load() File "/export/home2/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 546, in Load self.Lock() File "/export/home2/mailman/Mailman/maillist.py", line 887, in Lock self._lock_file = posixfile.open( File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 216, in open return _posixfile_().open(name, mode, bufsize) File "/usr/local/lib/python1.5/posixfile.py", line 81, in open return self.fileopen(__builtin__.open(name, mode, bufsize)) IOError: (13, 'Permission denied') Exception exceptions.AttributeError: '_file_' in ignored Accessing the listinfo page gives an Apache internal server error. I'm going to revert back to Apache 1.3.0, and if that doesn't work, backout of the multiple patches I installed for y2k and security. This seems somewhat drastic so I'd really appreciate any tips from anyone before doing this. Thanks much.

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unlock? please help with the filename...
by Peter Gervai Oct. 27, 1998

Oct. 27, 1998

Hello... PLEASE someone tell me which file this routine tries to lock and how, and the process that show me the information next time when there's nobody to answer... Unfortunately I don't know Python, and I really don't have the time to completely learn a new language. Please Python gurus take a look at the code to figure out the filename (because the error log never contains variable values); and if there's any SIMPLE way to print variables or by any means debug the program: tell me the secret... Thank you in advance! Oct 27 02:39:07 1998 admin: [----- Traceback ------] admin: Traceback (innermost last): admin: File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 97, in run_main admin: main() admin: File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 95, in main admin: call_script('options', [list._internal_name, member]) admin: File "../Mailman/Cgi/subscribe.py", line 65, in call_script admin: list.Unlock() admin: AttributeError: Unlock bye, peter ps: the error is because SOME file have different owner or permission from what mailman expect. I just can't guess which one! pps: STILL holding the question: Anyone can tell which config files have to be writeble to the WWW UID, which to MAILMAN UID, and which to BOTH? tia, g

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add my name to your mailing list
by PERRIER Philippe (MLN) Oct. 26, 1998

Oct. 26, 1998

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Errors running mmsitepass
by Mailman account Oct. 24, 1998

Oct. 24, 1998

[mailman] ~/bin 1:49 % ./mmsitepass ******** Traceback (innermost last): File "./mmsitepass", line 27, in ? from Mailman import MailList File "/home/owner/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 43, in ? from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File "/home/owner/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ? from Logger import Logger File "/home/owner/mailman/Mailman/Logging/Logger.py", line 57 raise ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax [mailman] ~/bin 1:49 % -------------------------------------------------------- This is right after a clean installation. 1) ./configure --prefix=/home/owner/mailman --with-cgi-gid=nogroup 2) make install nogroup is a valid group name, the mailman user's home directory is /home/owner/mailman. Also, I'm getting lots of errors off the cron jobs that all seem to end with that "raise" error with the caret under the e...don't know if there's a connection. There's nothing in /var/log/syslog that looks like it has anything to do with this. Configuration: Slackware 3.5 Linux 2.0.34 pretty vanilla install except for contents of my user account's home directory. Python 1.5 ( /usr/lib/python1.5, not /usr/local/lib/python1.5 ) This looks like I'm sending to a mailing list that I'm not subscribed to...if this is true, could replies please be directed to arno(a)daaave.org (the owner of the machine which mailman(a)daaave.org is associated with, this is me). Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

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Installing Mailman
by MrCyber Oct. 23, 1998

Oct. 23, 1998

Hi there, I installed Mailman on my Debian 2.0 machine, but I can't seem to get it running correctly.... I read the README file which said I need the INSTALL file to read how to install mailman.. but guess what ? No INSTALL file there... so... HELP! Who can send me the INSTALL file ? Thnx in advance MrCyber

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Some notes on upgrading to the current CVS tree
by Andrew M. Kuchling Oct. 20, 1998

Oct. 20, 1998

Notes on upgrading to the current CVS tree of Mailman: * I ran configure and make as myself, su'ed to mailman, and then ran into some trouble on the "make install" because some files aren't world-readable: scripts/driver Numerous templates/*.txt files Mailman/Logging/*.py But it's much less error-prone to do everything as the mailman user... * The documentation should mention that you should alias /pipermail/ to <prefix>/public_html/archives/ . * The mailbox-format archive is stored as a gzip'ped file, but referenced in the HTML in uncompressed form. Why? Are you expected to configure the Web server to automatically uncompress it? If so, how do you do that? * Is there any way to clear out my test e-mails from the archives? Since Mailman has just been set up, it would be fine with me if I could just blow away public_html/archives; would it be created again? -- A.M. Kuchling http://starship.skyport.net/crew/amk/ "Are you ready for me? Are you ready for my indifference? For my abysmal disinterest? Are you ready to have the lies and conceits of your life peeled away like so many layers of skin? Are you ready for the truth?" "Ahhh... No, I... I don't really think I am..." -- The Truth and Michael Smith, in ENIGMA #4: "And Then What?"

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Exim patch
by Szabo, Balazs Oct. 19, 1998

Oct. 19, 1998

Hi! I am using Exim, and I have problems with the aliases formt. This is a very simple patch, that swaps the '"' with the '|' in the newlist file: ------------------------- --- bin/newlist.orig Mon Oct 19 01:31:12 1998 +++ bin/newlist Mon Oct 19 01:31:15 1998 @@ -91,9 +91,9 @@ ## %(listname)s mailing list ## created: %(date)s %(user)s -%(list)s |"%(wrapper)s post %(listname)s" -%(admin)s |"%(wrapper)s mailowner %(listname)s" -%(request)s |"%(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s" +%(list)s "|%(wrapper)s post %(listname)s" +%(admin)s "|%(wrapper)s mailowner %(listname)s" +%(request)s "|%(wrapper)s mailcmd %(listname)s" %(owner1)s %(listname)s-admin %(owner2)s %(listname)s-admin ''' % {'listname': list_name, ------------------------ This patch is for the b6 CVS version. dLux -- mailto:dlux@dlux.rulez.org

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Some small problems
by Szabo, Balazs Oct. 18, 1998

Oct. 18, 1998

Hi! I have one thing to add to the TODO: - If I subscribe a user with no email address (I added 3 empty line to the mass-subscribe list), it cannot be deleted dLux -- :wq

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