Mailman 3 October 1999 - Mailman-Users

Sendmail relaying problems
by Scott Kruger 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

I've set up mailman on a Linux-Mandrake box and tried to run the test case. I am having problems in that I never receive anything sent to the test list, and I think the problems are related to how sendmail is configured with relation to how mailman uses sendmail. When I look at the mailer log file, I see: Oct 26 10:55:19 nimrodteam sendmail[11236]: KAA11236: from=root, size=30, class=0, pri=30030, nrcpts=1, msgid=<199910261755.KAA11236(a)nimrodteam.org>, relay=root@localhost Oct 26 10:55:19 nimrodteam sendmail[11236]: KAB11236: clone KAA11236, owner=test-admin Oct 26 10:55:20 nimrodteam sendmail[11238]: KAB11236: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent It appears in the $prefix/logs/post file OK: Oct 26 10:55:20 1999 post to test from root(a)nimrodteam.org size=7 ...but nothing appears. I think the problem is in the "relay=root@localhost" comment from log file. If I send an email message directly to myself, I get the line: Oct 26 10:55:03 nimrodteam sendmail[11227]: KAA11225: to=krugers(a)saic.com, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:01:16, xdelay=00:01:16, mailer=esmtp, relay=mx.east.saic.com. [198.151.13.22], stat=Sent (2.5.0 Ok.) which has a different relay. To further muddy the waters, yesterday when I first tried things, the $prefix/logs/smtp-errors file had the line: Oct 25 18:13:14 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / {'krugers(a)saic.com': (550, '<krugers(a)saic.com>... Relaying denied')} (dequeued) But I no longer get these errors and I'm not sure what I've done to cause them to stop. I'm not a sendmail expert so I'm not sure exactly what the problem is or how to fix it. I've fired up linuxconf and tried to allow relaying from localhost, but that doesn't seem to work. Anyone know how to fix this? Is there a way that I can have mailman use a relay that I know works? Scott -- Scott Kruger Center for Energy and Space Science Science Applications Intl. Corp. krugers(a)saic.com 10260 Campus Point Dr. Phone: (858) 826-9505 San Diego, CA 92121-1578 Fax: (858) 826-6261

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anyone seen this?
by Corbett J. Klempay 26 Oct '99

26 Oct '99

--- Corbett J. Klempay Trilogy Software, Inc. 512.685.4193 (W) | 512.750.1372 (C) corbett.klempay(a)trilogy.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 13:10:05 -0400 From: Cron Daemon <root(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu> To: mailman(a)chimera.acm.jhu.edu Subject: Cron <mailman@chimera> /usr/bin/python /home/mailman/cron/gate_news Exception exceptions.ValueError: 'unpack list of wrong size' in <method FileLock.__del__ of FileLock instance at 81c67f8> ignored

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www.list.org down?
by Lance A. Brown 25 Oct '99

25 Oct '99

Greetings, Just tried to go to http://www.list.org to get mailman 1.0 and am unable to get in: 'connection refused by server'. Is www.list.org still down from it move? Where else can I get mailman 1.0? --[Lance]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] duplicate mails on my list
by Nigel Metheringham 25 Oct '99

25 Oct '99

bwarsaw(a)cnri.reston.va.us said: > I have recently received a few complaints about duplicates to the > python-list, so it looks like I will have to spend some time figuring > this out. Stay tuned. Barry, I get the feeling there are 2 problems causing this since a few people are convinced that some duplications are happening at the MTA stage, however all the detailed logging I have seen have been due to MM submitting the message to the MTA twice. This latest variant where a hung MTA and restart causes MM to redeliver complete messages may be another form entirely. The problem I saw and worked round was where the MTA was doing recipient address verification during the SMTP transaction - ie each RCPT TO .... was causing a routing/verification operation On our box, which is relatively low power, at times of stress (ie a few 10s of incoming list messages within a few minutes), the parallel MTAs (in our case exim) and MMs running caused the whole machine to grind horribly. Then it appeared that MM decided that the child doing the delivery had taken too long and reran it, thus causing duplication [to a segment of the list membership for that message - it was typically the last batch of members in the list who got duplicates]. I modified the MTA configs to handle loading better and to *not* do SMTP recipient verification for messages injected via the loopback interface. Thats fixed the problem for us. Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk ] [ Phone: +44 1423 850000 Fax +44 1423 858866 ]

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Fwd: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender.
by Bek Oberin 25 Oct '99

25 Oct '99

The following stupid bounce message isn't getting picked up by mailman ... bekj ----- Forwarded message from Super-User <root(a)tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net> ----- To: perl-ai-admin(a)netizen.com.au Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender. From: Super-User <root(a)tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:35:42 +0000 Subject: Mail Delivery failed: returning to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: ilpltd.demon.co.uk [158.152.89.191]: RSET 250 Reset state MAIL FROM:<perl-ai-admin(a)netizen.com.au> 250 <perl-ai-admin(a)netizen.com.au>... Sender ok RCPT TO:<charlie(a)yitm.com> 550 <charlie(a)yitm.com>... User unknown ----- Original Message Follows ------ Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for charlie(a)yitm.com id 940816694:20:22163:0; Mon, 25 Oct 99 01:58:14 GMT Received: from home.leighton.com ([195.58.129.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022053; 25 Oct 99 1:58 GMT Received: from hiro.netizen.com.au (root(a)hiro.netizen.com.au [203.30.75.2]) by home.leighton.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA32564 for <charlie(a)granada-learning.com>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 02:58:48 +0100 Received: from hiro.netizen.com.au (mail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hiro.netizen.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06200; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:42:38 +1000 Received: from renoir.op.net (root(a)renoir.op.net [209.152.193.4]) by hiro.netizen.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06172 for <perl-ai(a)netizen.com.au>; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:42:26 +1000 Received: from monet.op.net (jpnolan(a)monet.op.net [209.152.193.3]) by renoir.op.net (o1/$Revision: 1.18 $) with ESMTP id VAA17177; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: John Nolan <jpnolan(a)Op.Net> Received: (from jpnolan@localhost) by monet.op.net ($Revision: 1.2 $) id VAA12062; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199910250142.VAA12062(a)monet.op.net> Subject: Re: [Perl-AI] Re: Burke's Ambiguity Conjecture (was Re: parsing NLs, and To: sburke(a)netadventure.net (Sean M. Burke) Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 21:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: perl-ai(a)netizen.com.au, bet(a)mordor.net, jpnolan(a)Op.Net In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19991024132621.00819e40(a)stonehenge.netadventure.net> from "Sean M. Burke" at Oct 24, 99 01:26:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: perl-ai-admin(a)netizen.com.au Errors-To: perl-ai-admin(a)netizen.com.au X-Mailman-Version: 1.0rc2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Discussions of Artificial Intelligence in Perl <perl-ai.netizen.com.au> X-BeenThere: perl-ai(a)netizen.com.au > I've never noticed a case of a language extending its /syntax/ to embrace > new concepts -- and certainly not in the direction of a syntactic ambiguity. > Certainly it's not the general way to do so -- lexical and idiomatic > innovation seems the main (and possibly only) way that languages do that. Hm. You might have a point here, but then again, you might not. I'm not convinced that examples of syntactic innovation cannot be found. I can't think of any, but that doesn't mean they are not there, waiting to be found. Manifestly, language syntax does change with time. > And I don't see how /syntactic/ ambiguity gives languages their richness > or makes them less boring. Well, I'm not sure anyone said that, specifically... I just think that ambiguity per se should not necessarily be construed as some kind of error or obstacle. I personally am not distinguishing cleanly between syntax and semantics, and I think that this is an apprpriate point of view. (But I am naive and ill-informed, so you can ignore me.) Ambiguity makes things hard to parse, but I don't care, because I'm not writing a parser. :) Take the following example: 1) Happy dog, dog fast. 2) Dog run run run! 3) Happy fish, fish fast. 4) Fish swim swim swim! [snip - Remainder of message] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer(a)tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Conversation enriches the understanding, but solitude is the : school of genius. -- Edward Gibbon

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privacy options / feature addition?
by gary 24 Oct '99

24 Oct '99

In the admin section of a list, you are given the option of specifying a regular expression for a match against a header value. [Hold posts with header value matching a specified regexp.] Is it possible to specify an expression to match against the body of a message? Something like majordomo's taboo expressions. If not, it would be a nice feature to add. Regards, Gary

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Creating a mailing List!!
by EYOBOLITES＠aol.com 23 Oct '99

23 Oct '99

How can I creat a mailing list using Mailman? Plse, advise ASAP Eyobolites

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wrapper not available
by Herman Van Keer 23 Oct '99

23 Oct '99

Hi mailman-users, I've been using mailman for a while now. I use it for three lists: for an organisation, a family list and a silent one about changes on my homepage. I recently upgraded from RedHat 5.2 to Mandrake 6.0. Apparently sendmail has been upgraded to - though I do not know from which version to: 8.9.3 And now I get this error message: sh: wrapper not available for sendmail programs 554 "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner my_list"... Service unavailable Funny thing is: when I change my sendmail.cf to the older version, it works. Changing again to the new version - errors! I now a LITTLE BIT about sendmail, but surely not enough to solve this problem. A search in the archive did not show any hints. Hints and/or pointers to messages are really appreciated. I like the program very much. Especially since I can now use it for a non-profit organisation here in Calgary,AB. Thanks for the help, Herman -- +---------------------------------------------------------+ ! # Herman Van Keer ! ! # ### Tel + Fax : +1 403 933-4452 ! ! # # E-mail : herman(a)hermann.dyn.tj ! ! # # ! ! # ! ! Home Page : www.HermAnn.dyn.tj www.HermAnn.dyns.cx ! +---------------------------------------------------------+

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Mailman not rejection messages
by Ken Kyler 23 Oct '99

23 Oct '99

I've searched the archives and bug database and didn't see this anywhere. Maybe someone else has had this problem. The lists are set to members only, some are moderated and some are not. Messages that are rejected are not being sent back to the sender. Anyone know why? -- Ken Kyler, List Manager Ken(a)eLists.org http://www.eLists.org

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fully qualified domain name - 2
by Paolo M. Pumilia 22 Oct '99

22 Oct '99

I think have found te reason why mailman builds a fully qualified doman name of recipients. It gains that information from the variable DEFAULT_HOST_NAME in mm_cfg.py: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'hname.dom.org' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://hname.dom.org/mailman' May i simply change to DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'dom.org' tnen compile again the whole package, to get mm_cfg.pyc ? thank you for your help Paolo Pumilia email: pumilia(a)est.it ---- cstc -

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