Mailman 3 February 1999 - Mailman-Users

Problems creating a list
by Pierce Cpl Wayne A Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

I just finished installing mailman on a RH 5.2 system with sendmail. I can create the test list without any problems. But when I try to create a list with capital letters, such as SNCO, it won't let me admin the list from the web interface. Any list with caps doesn't work, but if it's in complete lowercase it works fine however. Anyone know if this is a bug or just something I'm doing wrong? Also, I read in the archives that someone had an empty cgi-bin directory....so did I but I was … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems creating a list
by Harald Meland Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

[Christopher Lindsey] > > If this was done (properly) by design, I guess "newlist" should insist > > on all-lowercase list names, though. > > Just to be a pain, I'll add my $.00001 worth (advice comes cheap -- it would > be $.02 if I provided a solution). :-) > Anyhow, RFC 822 says that the localpart of an addr-spec is comprised of > either an atom or quoted-string. > > atom = 1+<any CHAR except specials, SPACE, and CTLs> > specials = ()<… [View More]>@,;:\".[] > quoted-string = basically the same, but spaces allowed > if enclosed in quotes ... but this does not imply that Mailman _has_ to allow creation of Mailman lists with non-lowercased names. > That means that upper case is fine and dandy... So the best way to > probably handle this is to allow the list to be created with mixed cases > (or all upper), but then translate this internally to lowercase for all > functions using the list name. This way your passing the buck to the > MTA instead. I wasn't really talking about case trouble with the MTA (although the best MTA-independent fix for such problems would probably be for Mailman to insist on using lowercase-only aliases -- I know that e.g. Exim by default lowercases any localpart before looking it up in an alias file (although that behaviour can be configured)). I was talking about the inconsistent behaviour presently in Mailman -- "newlist" allows creation of mixed-case lists, while at least the "admin" cgi-bin script lowercases any list name it is given before trying to get the list object. Presently Mailman.MailList("test") could fail even if there is a Mailman.MailList("Test"). If we're willing to accept that some people have a legitimate need for mixed-case list names, your solution would be the Right Thing. The alternative solution of making all of Mailman case aware (i.e. treating "Test" and "test" as two separate lists) would be confusing to the vast majority of Mailman users. > Otherwise are you guaranteed that all addresses will be translated to lower > case when they come in? In general: No, you can't. However, if someone have set their MTA up to _not_ lowercase addresses before looking them up in the alias file, I'd say they deserve whatever they get when someone tries posting to a differently cased name of a list. They sure can't expect Mailman to put _every_ case permutation of all Mailman address in the alias file... > sendmail does this with any aliases, but what if a list is running > out of an account with '+' addressing instead (I know, it's a > stretch). As I said: If the MTA isn't doing "caseless" alias lookups, then all bets are off. > That said, I don't know why people insist on mixing case in their addresses. > It just confuses people... Exactly. But saying "Mailman doesn't support non-lowercased list names" might be a bit harsh, right? -- Harald [View Less]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems creating a list
by J C Lawrence Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:48:54 -0800 Greg Stein<gstein(a)lyra.org> wrote: > * Mailman's platform is Unix, AFAIK. I'm unaware of case-sensitive > mailers for Unix. Are you saying SGI boxes are case-sensitive with > their mailer? SGI's current IRIX offerings ship with a recent version of sendmail, which is default configured to be case insensitive. I am not aware of any currently shipping version of Unix which ships with an MUA configured to be case sensitive (I haven't checked … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems creating a list
by J C Lawrence Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:09:58 -0600 (CST) Christopher Lindsey<lindsey(a)ncsa.uiuc.edu> wrote: > Anyhow, RFC 822 says that the localpart of an addr-spec is > comprised of either an atom or quoted-string. I don't have time to quote chapter and verse right now. However the local part (the user ID) can be case sensitive. It usually isn't, but it can be and on some unnamed platorms it is (I know CLIX's default sendmail installation was cese sensitive, but that's a long time ago). … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Hostname in mail headers
by Harald Meland Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

[Marcus C. Gottwald] > G'day! > > Greg Stein wrote (Mon 1999-Feb-08 02:37:17 -0800): > > > In the "General Options" administration screen, change the "host name > > this list prefers" option (near the bottom of the list) to whatever you > > would like it to be. You can also update the URL to use the appropriate > > virtual host. > > That is the setting which doesn't work, maybe I should have > explained a little more in detail. > > And … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems creating a list
by Harald Meland Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

[Pierce Cpl Wayne A] > I just finished installing mailman on a RH 5.2 system with > sendmail. I can create the test list without any problems. But when I > try to create a list with capital letters, such as SNCO, it won't let me > admin the list from the web interface. I hope the lowercasing done by the "admin" CGI script has been done by design. Of all the details around valid mail addresses, issues regarding case of localparts are likely the seemingly most trivial thing that … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] restrict posting to list of email addys in textfile
by Harald Meland Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

[Alain Wyss] > Hi > > I am trying to set up a mailing list containing other lists. (ie for the > compainy containing a lists for each department/workgroup.) So far so > good. > Now, is it possible to restrict the posting to the "master"-list so that > all members of the master list and the sub-lists (departments) can mail > there and nobody else? It is _possible_, but quite inconvenient (and not very dynamic, either). The way it currently can be done, is by adding … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] member_posting_only?
by Harald Meland Feb. 11, 1999

Feb. 11, 1999

[Mark A. Imbriaco] > How does Mailman determin if a message is from a listmember if > member_posting_only is turned on? In 1.0b8, it checks the envelope sender (by means of a "From " header at the top of the message) against the list of subscribed addresses. See <URL:http://www.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/1999-January/ 000305.html> for instructions on how to modify Mailman to use the "From:" header address instead of the envelope "From " address. -- Harald

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by Jack Farmer Feb. 10, 1999

Feb. 10, 1999

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restrict posting to list of email addys in textfile
by Alain Wyss Feb. 10, 1999

Feb. 10, 1999

Hi I am trying to set up a mailing list containing other lists. (ie for the compainy containing a lists for each department/workgroup.) So far so good. Now, is it possible to restrict the posting to the "master"-list so that all members of the master list and the sub-lists (departments) can mail there and nobody else? Alternatively, I was thinking that I could use the list_members command to extract all the single receipients of the sub lists and put them into a text file (ie nightly). Can I … [View More]

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