Mailman 3 May 1999 - Mailman-Users

Mailman, Exim -odqr, Python's `own' SMTP, etc.
by Ian Jackson 17 May '99

17 May '99

I'd like to be able to get Mailman to deliver mail other than via SMTP-over-TCP. This is because I want to give the MTA (Exim) a special delivery mode option which I've found greatly improves SMTP connection reuse and general efficiency. I'd also like to avoid ident lookups etc. I can see roughly two ways to do this: 1. Provide my own version of TrySMTPDelivery which calls /usr/sbin/sendmail (really Exim) with appropriate options. 2. Somehow get Python's smtplib to use sendmail -bs (and pass appropriate options to sendmail). 1 is easy to write; 2 looks somewhat harder without modifying both Python's smtplib and Mailman, and even then I have to do the 822 address parsing by hand[1]. However, I want to do 1 in a way that will get my patch accepted, so that I don't have to maintain the variant. I also want it to be configurable at runtime, of course. So, what would be the canonical Python or Mailman way of doing this ? Enclose the body of TrySMTPDelivery in a big `if' ? Move the body into a new function and turn TrySMTPDelivery into a layer of indirection ? Is such a change likely to be accepted in any case, or will I have to maintain a local version (which means I'll try for the patch with the lowest changed-lines-count) ? Ian. [1] Or read the source for Python's rfc822 module to find out whether it does dequoting right and what the output quoting conventions are - and even then I have to do 821 quoting myself.

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Uncaught list.remove error on posting
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk 17 May '99

17 May '99

One of the subscribers to one of my lists turned off mail delivery and also set `not metoo'. This caused the error below. (I've mangled the DNS domain names in the message below to stop the subscriber and/or the list submission address getting spammed.) Ian. From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM> To: owner-mailman(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM Subject: Mail delivery failed Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:37 +0100 This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message sent by <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM: generated |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss The following text was generated during the delivery attempt: ------ |/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post userv-discuss ------ Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/post", line 73, in ? current_list.Post(msg, approved=fromusenet) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender)) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list ------ This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. ------ Return-path: <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> Received: from ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM [131.111.8.6] (cusexim) by chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10jLWY-0005UC-00 (Debian); Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:34 +0100 Received: from bjh21 (helo=localhost) by ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM with local-smtp (Exim 3.00 #1) id 10jLWW-0000ML-00 for userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM; Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:32 +0100 Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 12:25:31 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Harris <bjh21(a)HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> To: userv-discuss(a)chiark.HIDDEN.NOSPAM Subject: Pidfiles Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.990517122435.21344H-100000(a)ursa.DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Ben Harris <bjh21(a)DOMAIN.HIDDEN.TO.PREVENT.SPAM>

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Uncaught recipients.remove not in list in Post (1.0b11)
by ijackson＠chiark.greenend.org.uk 17 May '99

17 May '99

I got the error page below when trying to approve a message for posting. The message was submitted with From: address which doesn't match a subscriber address, which was why it was sent to me for approval (the list has no posting from nonmembers). Ian. Bug in Mailman version 1.0b11 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 124, in main HandleRequests(doc) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py", line 214, in HandleRequests list.HandleRequest(request, v) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 122, in HandleRequest self.HandlePostRequest(request_data[2:], value, comment) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line 131, in HandlePostRequest self.Post(msg, 1) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1236, in Post recipients.remove(self.GetUserSubscribedAddress(sender)) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

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Problem seting up mailman
by surendra rajbanshi 17 May '99

17 May '99

Hello, I have setup mailman to access POP3 mail from web for our users, Some time it works fine and some times it shows the incomming message and when trying to read the mail it gives the Error mesage on right-hand side buttom frame, The error message is as follows- Error Message: No login provided, cannot proceed. it does not happen evertime, Have some one face this problem. if so Please send me suggestion I will be appriciate. Thanks, _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com

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Newbie question
by Scott Kruger 14 May '99

14 May '99

I just set up Mailman under Debian Linux using smail. I set up a users mailing list but right now it is not working - obviously because I have not set up the mail alias. Is this automated in any way by mailman? It seems like such a nice package there must be some way of having this automated. smail allows the creation of lists just by putting a file with the email addresses in /etc/smail/lists Is there an easy way of doing this? Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Scott Kruger Center for Energy and Space Science | | Science Applications Intl. Corp. kruger(a)colt.saic.com | | 10260 Campus Point Dr., MS E3X Phone: (619) 646-9505 | | San Diego, CA 92121-1578 Fax: (619) 546-6261 | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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speaking of archiving ...
by Mitchell Marks 14 May '99

14 May '99

Two of the lists I will be migrating to Mailman already have a couple years of archives, built up by hypermail (on a different host from where the slist mail management is running). Any suggestions on how to integrate the old archives with the new ones that Mailman+pipermail will be establishing? Or is there nothing both easy and more inviting than adding a "follow this link for archives from before June 1999" -- which I confess is the extent of my plan at this point. Thanks, -- Mitch Marks Mitchell Marks (773) 702-6041 AAC-010A CUIP: Chicago Public Schools / Univ. of Chicago Internet Project http://cuip.uchicago.edu/cuip "The UofC -- still perfecting the R.M. Hutchins Exercise Program"

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weird locking behavior...
by Brian Behlendorf 14 May '99

14 May '99

Hi. Sorry for the newbie question. FreeBSD 3.1-STABLE, qmail 1.03, python 1.5.2, delivering through a virtualhost using a "mailman" user in /var/qmail/control/virtualhosts. When a user subscribes through the public interface, two lockfiles get created/touched in the locks directory: laswell# ls -l /home/mailman/locks/ total 1 -rw-rw-rw- 1 nobody mailman 0 May 13 21:15 developer-announce.lock -rw-rw-r-- 1 nobody mailman 85 May 13 21:16 pending_subscriptions.lock However, even after the script finishes running, those lockfiles remain. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the point of the lockfiles, but it seems like they should disappear after the process is completed. This may be a clue to the real problem: The presence of these lockfiles causes mailcmd to hang. The subscriber can send the confirmation message, it confirms them, the confirmation "welcome to the list" message gets back to the subscriber, but then the process doesn't die: mailman 64327 0.0 0.1 776 360 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.00 bin/qmail-local -- mailman /home/mailman mailman-developer-announce-request - developer-announce-request lists.sourcexchange.com brian@hy mailman 64329 0.0 0.1 496 292 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.00 /bin/sh -c /home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd developer-announce mailman 64330 0.0 0.5 2680 1320 p1 I 10:01PM 0:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python /home/mailman/scripts/mailcmd developer-announce mailman 64332 0.0 0.0 0 0 p1 Z - 0:00.00 (sh) ktrace on 64330 shows nothing, so something weird is getting triggered. When that process is killed, a message is sent to the subscriber: This is an automated response. There were problems with the email commands you sent to Mailman via the administrative address developer-announce-request(a)lists.sourcexchange.com. If you want to reach the human being that manages this mailing list, please send your message to developer-announce-admin(a)lists.sourcexchange.com. The following is a detailed description of the problems. ***** confirm 156719 >>>>> Invalid confirmation number! Note that confirmation numbers e... Heh, that "e..." sounds like it would have been interesting to hear! And note that it says "Invalid conf #", yet it succeeded, since the address got subscribed and everything. Nothing else is logged about that hung process explaining why. While this process is hung, pages on the web site hang, and further mail processes hang too. In short, the situation is not good. =) OK, so it sounds like one of the FAQ questions, right? But I've gone through the INSTALL notes as well as FAQ.* and it all looked kosher to me. All the web scripts are setgid mailman and the mail wrapper is setgid as well. When I built the program I used ./configure --with-cgi-gid=65534 --with-mail-gid=500 I do not see those "WANTED gid blah, GOT gid blah" messages, so I think this is correct. I actually tried following the advice in README.QMAIL about setting the mail gid to be "nofiles", but then I started getting that "WANTED/GOT" message, so I went back to gid 500, i.e. "mailman". I could sit here all day killing python like a video game, but I'd rather fix this. What did I do wrong? Let me know if anyone needs more data. Thanks! Brian

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Re: [Mailman-Users] relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
by Soren Dayton 13 May '99

13 May '99

"John Lewis" <jlewis(a)prospace.org> writes: > Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had: > > May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com']: > May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: > Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com: > <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied (dequeued) > May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis(a)woodberry.org']: > May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: > Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis(a)woodberry.org: > <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>... Relaying denied (dequeued) > > So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem? Nope. > Where do I look to resolve this? You have some sort of relay things set up. You need to make sure in your access database that localhost or your mailing list servewr can submit messages. Soren

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relaying denied problems with mailman and sendmail 8.9.3-10
by John Lewis 13 May '99

13 May '99

Well, now that mailman works with sendmail 8.9.3-10 and smrsh, I now have the following problem: Sending any messages beyond the local host fails with a relaying denied error. Is anyone here familiar with sendmail.cf who can tell me what I need to do to enable mailman to send messages to non local addresses? help! Here is the /var/log/maillog output: May 13 21:15:29 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931: clone VAA01930, owner=mailman-test-admin May 13 21:15:30 hadron sendmail[1931]: VAA01931: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper post mailman-test", delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=prog, stat=Sent May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied May 13 21:15:31 hadron sendmail[1946]: VAA01946: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949: ruleset=check_rcpt, arg1=<john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1], reject=550 <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>. .. Relaying denied May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1949]: VAA01949: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1089, class=0, pri=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1950]: VAA01950: from=<mailman-test-admin(a)prospace.org>, size=1090, class=-60, pri=139090, nrcpts=1, msgid=<014801be9d87$e964dd80$8a0210ac(a)woodberry.org>, proto=ESMTP, relay=IDENT:mail@localhost [127.0.0.1] May 13 21:15:33 hadron sendmail[1951]: VAA01950: to=<prospace-list(a)prospace.org>, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent [root@hadron jlewis]

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relaying denied addendum (logs/smtp-failures output)
by John Lewis 13 May '99

13 May '99

Here is what the mailman/logs.smtp-failures log had: May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com']: May 13 21:15:31 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com: <jnlewis(a)arachnerd.com>... Relaying denied (dequeued) May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: To ['john_lewis(a)woodberry.org']: May 13 21:15:33 1999 TrySMTPDelivery: Mailman.pythonlib.smtplib.SMTPRecipientsRefused / john_lewis(a)woodberry.org: <john_lewis(a)woodberry.org>... Relaying denied (dequeued) So clearly its a sendmail problem, but how? Is it yet another smrsh problem? Where do I look to resolve this? help!

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