Mailman 3 May 2000 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Administrative roles?
by J C Lawrence 26 May '00

26 May '00

On Thu, 25 May 2000 22:44:08 -0500 David Champion <dgc(a)uchicago.edu> wrote: > Are there any plans to implement administrative roles in Mailman > such that we can have all we've ever wanted? Presumably this > would be predicated on a notion of a "user", although, as in SNMP, > it would suffice for the "user name" and authenticator to be the > same thing. If no roles, what about another site-admin password > level which gets you read-only, or gives you access to existing > lists/users, but not the ability to add/remove users? This has been discussed, and agreed in general to be a Good Idea IIRC. It just needs someone to take it on and do it, much like the SQL backend needs someone. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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i want mailman with qmail.....
by Choi He Chul 26 May '00

26 May '00

Hi. I'm mailman andn qmail Newbie... I try mailman with qmail.. but some problems... alias.. I try alias test-request to "|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd test" . but i faild... any other ways? and, any other qmail and mailman users? thank you.. -- test by iron ironyjk(a)kldp.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow
by Webmaster 26 May '00

26 May '00

i was just going to ask the same question..... when its sending out the mail i cant get to the admin or the listinfo and option page,this is bad especially if people want to unsubscribe.im using version 1.0 320 ram redhat 6.0 pentium 2 400,sendmail 8.93. -While I'm on the horn: at what version does listinfo become usable for -large sites? It takes minutes to list all my lists. This has been -reported before, and fixes were discussed, but I'm not sure whether -they've been done, or whether they will soon, or what. - -Thanks. - --- --D. dgc(a)uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago ------------------------------------------------------- -Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org -http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users [Mailman-Users] listinfo is slow

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Administrative roles?
by David Champion 26 May '00

26 May '00

My mailman site has 570+ lists, and support has gotten to be a huge headache for our system administration staff. We're trying to offload this to our general help-desk staff. These staff need minimally to be able to view certain settings in list admins' and subscribers' configurations. Even better, we'd like them to be able to make designated kinds of changes to the configurations. But we don't want them to be full-fledged site administrators. Are there any plans to implement administrative roles in Mailman such that we can have all we've ever wanted? Presumably this would be predicated on a notion of a "user", although, as in SNMP, it would suffice for the "user name" and authenticator to be the same thing. If no roles, what about another site-admin password level which gets you read-only, or gives you access to existing lists/users, but not the ability to add/remove users? Is any of this now possible, or ever? Thanks. -- -D. dgc(a)uchicago.edu NSIT University of Chicago

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Uknown Mailer Error 1
by Webmaster 26 May '00

26 May '00

hi, i keep on getting this error ,i have made the necessary link to the wrapper,some of it goes out then it stops doing anything.Redhat 6.1 sendmail 8.93 Thanks. May 25 20:25:43 sendmail[19465]: TAA19464: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner guestlist", delay=00:47:51, xdelay=00:47:50, mailer=prog, stat=Sent May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: TAA19214: to="|/home/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner guestlist", delay=00:53:27, xdelay=00:53:27, mailer=prog, stat=unknown mailer error 1 May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: TAA19214: UAA19215: postmaster notify: unknown mailer error 1 May 25 20:26:23 sendmail[19215]: UAA19215: to=root, delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, stat=Sent

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Re: Problems with upgrading
by Philip Goisman 26 May '00

26 May '00

Michael, Aaryn, et al On your configuration line you need to use the same default GID as your MTA specifies. As the installation instructions say, "On systems using sendmail, the sendmail.cf configuration file designates the group id of sendmail processes using the "DefaultUser" option." That should get you going, Philip

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Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading
by mackay＠kodak.com 25 May '00

25 May '00

From: Scott D. MacKay This could be a problem with the configuration of the mailman. I believe the error being reported is passed from the wrapper app. The app is the one reporting the error to the mail server which then dies out.. I don't have the previous emails readily available, so forgive me if you already answered this... What was your mailman --with-mail-gid configure option? Did it include the group that mail uses? It really sounds like it does not recognise the group mail is invoking the app with as being an allowed group. I would compare the GID you configured against the one used by your sendmail. If you enabled SYSLOG for mailman, you should have an even logged at LOG_MAIL/LOG_ERR level showing the expected and received GID. This is seen from src/mail-wrapper.c in the main() where it invokes check_caller() (common.c). I believe the 'INSTALL' document is inaccurate with respect to --with-mail-gid. --with-mail-gid says you can use multiple GID values. The mail-wrapper.c assigns the variable parentgid to LEGAL_PARENT_GID which is defined as MAIL_GID which is a '-D' macro passed in. I see no looping in the check_caller() and no array in mail-wrapper.c to cycle through each GID provided. In addition, it MUST be an integer value (give the C code). In short, only 1 GID, and it must be the integer value of the GID. -Scott Aaryn Olsson <aaryn(a)Ag.Arizona.Edu> on 05/24/2000 06:46:30 PM To: mackay(a)kodak.com cc: mailman-users(a)python.org (bcc: Scott D. MacKay/943904/EKC) Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading Dear Mr. MacKay, This is what I get when I run the command you suggested: % echo hi | /usr/lib/sendmail -v -bv theclub theclub... aliased to "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub" "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub"... deliverable: mailer prog, user "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub" Everything is installed on the same machine: ag.arizona.edu. Incidentally, majordomo-1.94.5 works, but we had to add that "DontBlameSendmail..." line for Group Writable directories. This is what those aliases looke like: studentnews: "|/opt/local/mail/majordomo/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -l stud entnews -f studentnews-owner -h ag.arizona.edu studentnews-outgoing" sendmail -v -vb studentnews gives a message similar to that of theclub. Still need help, Aaryn On Wed, 24 May 2000 mackay(a)kodak.com wrote: > Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:03:54 -0400 > From: mackay(a)kodak.com > To: Aaryn Olsson <aaryn(a)Ag.Arizona.Edu> > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading > > > > From: Scott D. MacKay > > It does look like a sendmail problem. > Have you tried > /usr/lib/mail/sendmail -v -bv theclub > Also, which machine is mailman installed on? Are you sure the machine it > is installed on is the one who is parsing the email name? > > -Scott > > Aaryn Olsson <aaryn(a)Ag.Arizona.Edu> on 05/24/2000 04:47:26 PM > > To: Michael Rose <mar(a)Ag.Arizona.Edu> > cc: mailman-users(a)python.org (bcc: Scott D. MacKay/943904/EKC) > Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems with upgrading > > David > > Thanks for your input. From your message it is hard to tell what you > mean about the /etc/aliases. This is what the /etc/aliases look like: > > ## theclubs mailing list > theclub: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper post theclub" > theclub-admin: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner theclub" > theclub-request: "|/usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd theclub" > theclub-owner: theclub-admin > owner-theclub: theclub-admin > > /usr/local/mail/mailman/mail/wrapper is the full path of wrapper and when > I run it from the command line, I get an exit code of 5 which I think is > from common.c: #define MAIL_USAGE_ERROR 5. On that note, an exit code of > 2 corresponds to #definte GID_MISMATCH 2. Group ID mismatch? But all > files in the /usr/local/mail/mailman directory subtree belong to the > mailman group. Also, does the owner of the files matter? Who should own > wrapper? I've tried me, root, and mailman, all to no avail. > > mailman is a Trusted user as far as sendmail is concerned, and sendmail.cf > has a line called "O DontBlameSendmail=IncludeFileInGroupWritableDirPath", > but I don't think that's a problem considering the exit code sounds like > it comes from wrapper itself. > > Very confused. Please help. > > Sincerly, > Aaryn Olsson >

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a bug ?
by Fil 25 May '00

25 May '00

Bug in Mailman version 2.0beta3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (innermost last): File "/var/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 89, in run_main main() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/handle_opts.py", line 80, in main mlist.Save() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 864, in Save self.__lock.refresh() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 204, in refresh raise NotLockedError NotLockedError: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Python information: Variable Value sys.version 1.5.2 (#0, Sep 13 1999, 09:12:57) [GCC 2.95.1 19990816 (release)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Environment variables: ../..

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Re: [Mailman-Users] umbrella lists
by Evilio del Rio 25 May '00

25 May '00

Hello, I was also looking for a solution like yours and I have been able to trick a little bit the Mailman code. The general solution is to allow the "posters" setting of a list to be a regular expression so that you can allow some lists to receive mail from an entire domain. Maybe this is not exactly what you are looking for but it can help. I put the following settings to all lists: posters = ['.+(a)my.doma.in'] # Any address within domain can post. acceptable_aliases ="""allstaff(a)my.doma.in """ and then I have modified the Hold.py file ($prefix/Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py). The diffs are (you can use patch if you want to try): 32a33 > import re 120c121,123 < posters = Utils.List2Dict(map(string.lower, mlist.posters)) --- > isposter = 0 > for poster in mlist.posters: > isposter = isposter or re.compile(poster, re.I).match(sender) 122c125 < not Utils.FindMatchingAddresses(sender, posters): --- > not isposter: This way, anybody in my domain can post to any of the internal lists but they are still closed to suscrbers+posters. However this is just a quick hack and there should be another way to have "cascading closed lists". HTH, ________________________________________________________________ Evilio Jose del Rio Silvan Institut de Ciencies del Mar edelrio(a)icm.csic.es http://members.es.tripod.de/Evilio/ "I knew that I was out of luck the day the music died" - Don McLean

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Re: [Mailman-Users] send filter
by J C Lawrence 25 May '00

25 May '00

On Thu, 25 May 2000 00:33:21 -0400 Webmaster <webmaster(a)virtualbungalow.com> wrote: > what command is this? Look into ~mailman/bin and the add_members, list_members, and remove_members scripts. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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