Mailman 3 June 2000 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
by Dan Mick 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

The answer was "what's the question"? What does it mean to "type an email address and hit a submit button"? Yeah, one could add that right away: <FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=....uh....what?> > Was a answer posted to this question? It sounds like a great way to reduce page loading and reloading. > Jean Andre Vallery > www.BicycleMessenger.com > > --- Todd LaClair <todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >If I wanted to have a box on my webpage where a user would type their email > >address and hit a submit button. Would MailMan be the best product to manage > >this user list? > ><pre>-- 

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge
by Gregory Leblanc 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Kolar [mailto:ckolar@admin.aurora.edu] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:40 PM > To: mailman-users(a)python.org; mailman-developers(a)python.org > Cc: todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge > > At 08:07 PM 6/28/2000, Dan wrote: > >The answer was "what's the question"? > > > >What does it mean to "type an email address and hit a submit button"? > >Yeah, one could add that right away: > > > ><FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=....uh....what?> > > [note to developers: is there a more elegant way to implement this?] > > The list is not being very helpful today. I think that what > this person > wants is something like the quickie subscription boxes that > you see for > eGroups of ListBot. I have been working on something like > this for a few > lists that I run. As long as security is not that important, it is > possible to work the subscription box into a web page. I was the first reply, and will take full responsibility for not being helpful. However, I, and at least one other person, was not clear on what this person wanted to do. I asked politely for some clarification, but didn't get any. Sorry if that offended anybody, but we really didn't understand the question > NOTE: this is a really quick kluge. > > NoTE: this is really not secure, I only use it on lists > where it does not > matter that much. > > To use: > > Drop into a page. Edit the ACTION line to point to the proper > server/listname on your MM server. Also edit the two > password fields so > that they are the same. What this will do is provide an > initial password > for the user, making joining easy. What this will also do is > provide the > same initial password for all users, so IT IS NOT REALLY > SECURE. At least > change it to something sufficiently random looking to > encourage people to > change it themselves. If you've got any sort of scripting language available on your server, like ColdFusion, PHP, or whatever, it should be easy enough to generate a random password here. [snip] > > --- Todd LaClair <todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >If I wanted to have a box on my webpage where a user > would type their > > email > > > >address and hit a submit button. Would MailMan be the > best product to > > manage > > > >this user list? > > > -- > /////\\\\\/////\\\\\ > Christopher G. Kolar > Director, Department of Instructional Technology > Aurora University, Aurora, Illinois > ckolar(a)admin.aurora.edu -- www.aurora.edu/~ckolar > [PGP Public Key ID: 0xC6492C72] > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >

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Oops!
by Robert Irie 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Sorry for the previous post, shoulda checked the archives before sending it! Robert

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Installation problems
by Robert Irie 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Hi, Im trying to install the latest 2.0beta3 on a sun SunOS 5.6 mchine. I followed the INSTALL instructions and get errors at the point where I try to create a test list. Here is what I get: > ./newlist Enter the name of the list: test Enter the email of the person running the list: ririe(a)amediainc.com Initial test password: test Traceback (innermost last): File "./newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "./newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/export/home/ririe/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/export/home/ririe/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/export/home/ririe/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError Can someone tell me what is going on here? Thanks! Robert

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Re: [Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] Question: signup box kluge
by Dan Mick 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

> >The answer was "what's the question"? > > > >What does it mean to "type an email address and hit a submit button"? > >Yeah, one could add that right away: > > > ><FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=....uh....what?> > > The list is not being very helpful today. I think that what this person > wants is something like the quickie subscription boxes that you see for > eGroups of ListBot. Ah.. Well, if the word "subscribe" had appeared anywhere in the question, I might agree that you were right...but there's no way to tell that. Todd, didn't you ask the original question? Is there some reason you're not clarifying this? > --- Todd LaClair <todd.laclair(a)mail.dreamtheater.com> wrote: > > If I wanted to have a box on my webpage where a user would type their > email address and hit a submit button. Would MailMan be the best > product to manage this user list?

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Default option about whether to archive or not
by JOHN BLEASDALE 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

I am getting confused about how to configure a default archiving option for new lists that I create. I have the defaults set up as I require and these work fine for new lists, except for the "Archive messages?" option which always starts on Yes. For efficency, I want this to default to No, but start archiving if the list owner changes it to Yes. I have searched through Defaults.py and cannot find a way of ensuring that the "Archive messages?" option starts on No. I am using 2.0b2 and have entries in mm_cgf.py for PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL, PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL, PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER and PRIVATE_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER all set up to use MHonArch. I also have ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = 0 and this is causing me most confusion. Defaults.py says: # ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX #-1 - do not do any archiving # 0 - do not archive to mbox, use builtin mailman html archiving only # 1 - archive to mbox to use an external archiving mechanism only # 2 - archive to both mbox and builtin mailman html archiving - # use this to make both external archiving mechanism work and # mailman's builtin html archiving. the flat mail file can be # useful for searching, external archivers, etc. This option suggests how archiving shoulld work, _if archiving is desired_ rather than whether it shoud happen by default. Have I missed something obvious? Thanks, John STANDARD DISCLAIMER: This message is confidential. You should not copy it or disclose its contents to anyone. You may use and apply the information only for the intended purpose. Internet communications are not secure and therefore RM does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are only those of the author and not those of RM. If this email has come to you in error please delete it and any attachments.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] beta3 newlist problem
by Dan Mick 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

Argh! Me too. Barry, this looks pretty high-priority. I just upgraded from beta2 to beta3. Now I can't create a new list. [mailman@wfs02 mailman]$ bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: everyone Enter the email of the person running the list: rpeterson(a)wallacefloyd.com Initial everyone password: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "bin/newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists
by J C Lawrence 30 Jun '00

30 Jun '00

On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:00:10 +0100 Nigel Metheringham <Nigel.Metheringham(a)VData.co.uk> wrote: > My belief is that qmail and postfix are more inherently secure > than sendmail - sendmail is one big chunk that does everything and > has root privileges, so a compromise tends to take the whole > machine out. Aye, that's the argument of architectures. Postfix and QMail have architectures that lend themselves to being secure. That doesn't mean they are necessarily are, as the very rapid rash of fixes to both of those products in their early life attests (admittedly almost all for DoS or mail loss/corruption attacks, not system access), just that they basically follow the types of designs that people who do security profressionally tend to prefer (for very good reasons). > claw(a)cp.net said: >> Note: I'm not aware of a single large scale high volume >> commercial service on the 'net that runs Sendmail. Not one. You >> can check this youself by telnetting to the SMTP port on their >> MXes and reading the HELO message. > Apparently according to the sendmail marketing dweeb I saw a few > weeks back they have something like 7 of the top 10 ISPs... which > I don't really believe since it depends how you define things. > AOL was mentioned... AOL is running an in-house developed custom MTA. I don't know what the code roots of that MTA are, but I have considerable reason to think it isn't Sendmail. (They were looking at outsourcing their MTA business a while ago to a company I was consulting to). > their MXes give back something rather customised. $ telnet yg.mx.aol.com smtp Trying 205.188.156.228... Connected to yg.mx.aol.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220-rly-yg04.mx.aol.com ESMTP relay_in.9; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 11:36:03 -0400 220-America Online (AOL) and its affiliated companies do not 220- authorize the use of its proprietary computers and computer 220- networks to accept, transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk 220 e-mail sent from the internet. -- J C Lawrence Home: claw(a)kanga.nu ----------(*) Other: coder(a)kanga.nu --=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--

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beta3 newlist problem
by Ron Peterson 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

I just upgraded from beta2 to beta3. Now I can't create a new list. [mailman@wfs02 mailman]$ bin/newlist Enter the name of the list: everyone Enter the email of the person running the list: rpeterson(a)wallacefloyd.com Initial everyone password: Traceback (innermost last): File "bin/newlist", line 155, in ? main(sys.argv) File "bin/newlist", line 112, in main mlist.Create(listname, owner_mail, pw) File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 785, in Create self.Lock() File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1345, in Lock self.Load() File "/home2/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 894, in Load raise Errors.MMUnknownListError Mailman.Errors.MMUnknownListError -- Ron Peterson Systems Manager Wallace Floyd Design Group 273 Summer Street Boston, MA 02210 617.350.7400 tel 617.350.0051 fax rpeterson(a)wallacefloyd.com

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists
by Gregory Leblanc 29 Jun '00

29 Jun '00

> -----Original Message----- > From: Nigel Metheringham [mailto:Nigel.Metheringham@VData.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 2:00 AM > To: Chuq Von Rospach > Cc: J C Lawrence; Derek Simkowiak; Gary Wilson; > mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Extremely High Membership lists > [snip] > Exim has the severe disadvantage that it runs setuid root and > is a big > lump of code. It has the advantage of sendmail that it was written > later and in a consistant style which should protect it > against buffer > overruns. Downside is that it has not had as much testing as > sendmail > in the wild, neither has it been formally audited to my > knowledge. Hmm, OpenBSD ships with sendmail, so it's certainly possible to secure it. My understanding was that the OpenBSD people have done a complete security audit on all of their code, but I'm not sure that this includes Sendmail. Greg

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