Mailman 3 October 2002 - Mailman-Users

Mail Delivery message
by Rafael Thiesen 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Anyone know if its possible and, if so, how i could receive the "mail delivery problem" messages to -admin@ in daily mails, instead of one message for any problem mail of my list? R.Thiesen

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Problem accessing admin web interface
by Mike Cora 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Hi, I've very new to linux and mailman, sorry if this is a simple question. I've recently taken over as mailman admin of an existing installation. When trying to access the admin web interface for any list users receive an Internal Server Error. Looking through the logs shows a "premature end of script headers" error. What steps can I take next to troubleshoot this issue? Thanks! Mike Cora @stake, Inc. 196 Broadway Cambridge, MA 02139-1902

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technical help
by Peter Charpentier 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I am using Mailman v2.0.13 on Red Hat 6.1 and am having problems with mail delivery. When I create a list it is suppose to send an email to the list administrator, but it doesn't. I installed Mailman on a webserver, but am using a different mail server. I can mail users on the mail server from the webserver and vice versa. I need some help with this. Thanks Peter Charpentier Michigan City Area Schools

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How about a topic for the To: munging discussion?
by Stonewall Ballard 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I haven't had a chance to try out the "topics" feature in mailman. Since the discussion of the personalization and To: munging is going on so long, how about making a topic for it so we can try out unsubscribing to it. ;-) Actually, this has been interesting. I did not know that anyone expected these fields to have much, let alone a consistent, meaning. - Stoney -- Stonewall Ballard stoney(a)sb.org http://stoney.sb.org/

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MM 2.1b4 versions of Mailman-htdig integration patches posted
by Richard Barrett 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I have now posted revised versions of my Mailman-htdig integration patches that are compatible with MM 2.1b4 release. These revised patches can be found via the URLs below and should apply without complaint to a fresh extract from the MM 2.1b4 source release. If you encounter any difficulties with the patches or their use then let me know. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444879&group_id=10… http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444884&group_id=10 3&atid=300103

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2.1b4 installation problem
by Gianluca Sforna 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

This seems to me a python-related problem, but since I never had a mailing list software installed, I write to this list hoping someone could help... System info: OS: Trustix secure linux 1.5 MTA: postfix-0.0.20010228.pl08 Pyhton 1.5.2 At first I tried mailman 2.0.13 and, while I was able to install it and see the web interface, I realized that for a tighter integration with postfix I could install 2.1b. So I downloaded 2.1b4 (I tried even the CVS version) but, since pyhton 2 is not shipped with my server distribution, I had to download it and recompile from the sources. Everything seems fine with python since I can succesfully configure; make ; make install the mailman package but, when looking at the mailman/admin (or any other web page) I got this error: -------------------------------------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1b4+ We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman//scripts/driver", line 61, in run_main import paths File "/home/mailman//scripts/paths.py", line 60, in ? import korean.aliases ImportError: No module named aliases Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.2 (#2, Oct 29 2002, 20:16:46) [GCC 2.95.3 20010315 (release)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python2.2 sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 --------------------------------------------- now I tought: I don't care korean language so maybe I can remove that line... actally that error is gone but now I have again a "bug": Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/mailman//scripts/driver", line 63, in run_main from Mailman.Logging.StampedLogger import StampedLogger File "/home/mailman/Mailman/Logging/StampedLogger.py", line 18, in ? import time ImportError: No module named time >From this I understand my python build is somewhat broken (i.e. it cannot find modules), but I really do not understand how to fix it. I do know this is not a bug, but a serious UBD :) so please help me if you can. Gianluca

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Personalization stuff
by Bob Puff＠NLE 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

Barry Wrote: > NM> However I find the addition of my delivery address into the To > NM> line highly irritating (even more so if I use list specific > NM> delivery addresses). > > You're not the only person who has complained about that, and I can > see the point. I think Chuq was lobbying for not putting the > recipient's address in the To line, but I disagreed because I thought > it would be friendlier. Chuq was probably right and I was probably > wrong. > > So I'm willing to change that so that the To header is no different > regardless of whether personalization is enabled or not. Ideally, we > might want YACV (yet another configuration variable), but I'll default > to yagni until we have a use case for otherwise. No, No, NO! Please keep the To: be the recipient, or at least allow that as a configuration thing. It would fix another problem that I've had with .procmail scripts. Barry, PLEASE leave the option you currently have! Bob

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technical help
by root 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

I need help with you mailman list server. When i email a post i get permission denied. I need some helpful tips or some kind of insight into what i need to be doing. The alias i am emailing to is /home/mailman/mail/wrapper post test. Test being the list. Which GID am i suppose to have for the mail. I tried 51 and i tried the group mail's(12) GID, but neither of them will let me run ./configure --with-mail-gid ##. Please help. Thank you Peter Charpentier Michigan City Area Schools

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Re: personalization features (was Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3))
by J C Lawrence 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:27:16 -0500 Gerald Oskoboiny <gerald(a)impressive.net> wrote: > When I look at the headers of a message, I expect to see them as they > were composed by the message author. You've lead a sheltered mailing list life. > I don't think MLMs should alter the contents of important headers like > To:, From:, Cc:, Subject:, Message-Id:, Reply-To:, except in very rare > cases. There's a core debate here, which is as old as mailing lists, and was old when I first ran into it 18 years ago: Is a message distributed by a mailing list a new message or merely a redistribution of an prior message? Depending on the answer to that question you can justify (or not) things like Message-ID being rewritten by the list server, as well as To: etc. Its comparatively easy to frame cogent and sound arguments for either side. The worse and most comforting thing is that in practice both sides are correct. Mailman is merely marginally extending this debate to also enclude the To: header -- which you should care to note is not original to Mailman, but has been a fairly dead aspect of the debate for some years (due more to apathy than resolution). -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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Re: OFFTOPIC Re: [Mailman-Users] Archive URL in postings (2.1b3)
by J C Lawrence 30 Oct '02

30 Oct '02

On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:08:56 -0800 (PST) alex wetmore <alex(a)phred.org> wrote: > The problem with personalization in the To: header is that I can't > tell if email is to me or just to the list. Be careful here in distinguishing limitations and models of your MUA as problems with external systems. The fact that you MUA exposes specific features and the manner you take advantage of them is something between you and your MUA and has little to do with Mailman. -- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw(a)kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.

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