Mailman 3 December 2002 - Mailman-Users

2 questions...removing headers & viewing bounces
by Golda Velez Dec. 28, 2002

Dec. 28, 2002

Hello Mailman folks Thanks very much for great & needed software - I've been using Majordomo for years but Mailman on first go-round looks much easier to administer, and the big plus is auto-handling of bounced messages. However - two questions, that I can't find anywhere in the docs 1) Can I safely remove a lot of the headers from Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? There's just too much for users to have to wade thru on every message, I want the end-user messages to be as clean and brief as possible. I did remove some, but I'd like to know if its kosher to do so... 2) I'm getting what appears to be spurious bounce notices, but I don't seem to be able to view the actual bounced message in order to see why. I have a list with 4 users including myself, and the 3 remote users are all reporting bounces on every message, even though I can mail them by hand without a problem. (Maybe related to my header removal? But some of the bounces were before I did that) Thanks very much for your code and help! By the way if you have any use please feel free to have commercial copy of Webglimpse index software, just reply and I will assign username & password. Then you could index all the mailman-related sites and make them searchable in one place - and maybe reduce some of these questions ;-) --Golda ------------------------------------------------------------ Golda Velez gvelez(a)webglimpse.net 626-792-9277 Internet Workshop http://iwhome.com Webglimpse Search Software http://webglimpse.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Help organize the world - index your own corner of the web

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Chunk
by nino＠adc.org Dec. 28, 2002

Dec. 28, 2002

I need to see the entire list of all of our members in mailman, but it only lets me see them in chunks of 30. How do I show all the chunks? -Nino --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/2002

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How many is too many?
by The Berean Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Hello all, I'm doing some research in an attempt to find the ceiling on how many users I can have on a Mailman powered listserv. I understand the record so far is 147,000 users, but that listserv in question is an announce-only list. The listserv I have in mind is an interactive listserv (listserv as a forum). For those who run large listserv forums, how many would you figure could join such a list before the conversations starts becoming chaotic and the mails become far too excessive? What could I expect in terms of bandwidth from a listserv forum of 20,000 people for example? If you can point me to resources where I can do further research Id appreciate that as well. I need to determine what limit I should set before closing the list to new subscriptions, and costs, affordability, especially on the bandwidth a large listserv forum will undoubtedly generate. Appreciate any help! Happy Holidays, Berean __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 3, Issue 53
by Greg Westin Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Check the archives for this... I remember reading posts about this maybe a month ago, but I don't remember if it was solved or not. Sorry I can't be of more help. -Greg > From: Steve Rifkin <steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE > > WHOA! Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman > and group mailman. > > At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like: > > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html > > > That's ok. HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a > list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db: > > -rw-rw---- 1 nobody mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db > -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html > > > And the filesize for config.db does not change. I suspect that the config.db > file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin. > > The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody! > > Why? > > Maybe the above is a clue to the problem! > > Any thoughts? > > Steve > steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu

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Question about MM and virtual host!
by David Sammons Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Hi, I've installed Mailman 2.1b3 from source under Debian Linux 3.0 (MTA is qmail) I would like to know how to configure mailman with virtual host i.e. : list(a)mydomain1.com list(a)mydomain2.com list(a)mydomain3.com . . . I´ve been searching in faq, I found an answer about something related with tables and ScriptAlias in sendmail, but I don´t know what is that? Can anyone help me? Thanks a lot! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a internet y 25MB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
by Steve Rifkin Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Oh, I should also add that, as user mailman, when I run: bin/check_perms I get: No problems found -------- Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
by Steve Rifkin Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

The other interesting thing I found is that once I log into a list as the SITE ADMIN, if I go to change the list admin's password, I can put anything into: Enter new password: Then, I can put something different into: Confirm new password: I can then proceed to click Submit Your Changes, and I receive NO error that the password I put in and the confirmation of that password are different. It acts like it's trying to submit, but then, just returns me back to the top of the list admin page for the list. I also notice that if I put some bogus password into the Enter Current Password fied at the bottom, and hit submit, I get: Error: Incorrect administrator password displayed at the top of the page. That tells me that the list thinks it has some list admin password set... but, there's no way to figure out what it is? Steve teve steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu

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One list not delivering (All recipients refused:...)
by Bill Hilburn Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Configuration: Postfix 1.1.11 Mailman 2.1b5 Python 2.2.2 Fresh install on new box from source (not rpm)... One list out of 20 is having this problem, all others are working fine. Other lists have from 25 to 5000 subscribers, this list has 1,122. Owner sends email to abbeytheatrelist(a)lists.frontier.net and it seems to go out... BUT! NO mail goes to other list members or list owner... Only Bounce message goes to list owner and nothing else... (tail -f /var/log/maillog|grep -i abbeytheatrelist) shows: /var/log/maillog: (Postfix) Dec 26 09:43:40 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net [66.118.220.6]: 550 <golightlygolightly(a)frontier.net>: User unknown; from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces(a)lists.frontier.net> to=<golightlygolightly(a)frontier.net> Dec 26 09:43:41 dpe postfix/pipe[10467]: B35BC78B3C: to=<abbeytheatrelist- bounces(a)lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=1, status=sent (lists.frontier.net) Dec 26 09:43:47 dpe postfix/pipe[10424]: 3C7C378B1C: to=<abbeytheatrelist- bounces(a)lists.frontier.net>, relay=mailman, delay=0, status=sent (lists.frontier.net) Dec 26 09:43:57 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net [66.118.220.6]: 550 <eandajohnstoneandajohnston(a)frontier.net>: User unknown; from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces(a)lists.frontier.net> to=<eandajohnstoneandajohnston(a)frontier.net> Dec 26 09:44:06 dpe postfix/smtpd[14225]: reject: RCPT from mail.frontier.net [66.118.220.6]: 550 <kstonekstone(a)frontier.net>: User unknown; from=<abbeytheatrelist-bounces(a)lists.frontier.net> to=<kstonekstone(a)frontier.net> Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe postfix/cleanup[10633]: 4963378B51: message- id=<mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist(a)lists.frontier.net> Dec 26 09:44:27 dpe spamd[11450]: processing message <mailman.378.1040921035.20151.abbeytheatrelist(a)lists.frontier.net> for rhp@frontier.net:99, expecting 4866 bytes. /usr/local/mailman/logs/error: File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 702, in quit self.docmd("quit") File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 357, in docmd self.putcmd(cmd,args) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 313, in putcmd self.send(str) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.2/smtplib.py", line 305, in send raise SMTPServerDisconnected('please run connect() first') SMTPServerDisconnected: please run connect() first /usr/local/mailman/logs/smtp: Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Dec 26 09:44:27 2002 (20158) All recipients refused: please run connect() first Bill Hilburn NOC Frontier Internet ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through frontier.net webmail service!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members
by Steve Rifkin Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

> My suggestion to you is that you re-install Python, then re-install > Mailman. Both are fairly easy to do. The order is important - you > definitely want to re-install Mailman after installing Python. OK, reinstalled python. Python works. (v2.1) Then, reinstalled mailman (v2.0.13). Mailman still does *not* allow for admin logins... only site and user logins. No errors logged! All built from "scratch"... i.e. with ./configure make make install on Solaris 2.6. > Good Luck (and if you happen to hang that way: Merry Christmas!) Have a great holiday. Thanks! :) Oh, and if you have any other ideas on what to do (anybody reading), please let me know. This is very frustrating. I'd love to downgrade back to 2.08 without losing my 2.0.13 archive data. Anyone know how? 2.08 had worked fine before the 2.13 upgrade. But, 2.08 won't let me install it, because a higher version is already on. Steve > > Jon Carnes > > ====== > On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 15:29, Steve Rifkin wrote: > > Hi Jon! > > > > Well, I did what you said... I used dumpdb to look at the encrypted password for > > a list. Then I changed the list admin pw for th list (logged in as the site > > admin), and did a dumpdb again. I get the same encrypted password for the list > > admin (and therefore, still cannot log in as the admin). > > > > What else can I try? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Steve > > steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu > > > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members > > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc(a)nc.rr.com> > > > To: Steve Rifkin <steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu> > > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Date: 14 Dec 2002 20:36:07 -0500 > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > > X-Keywords: > > > > > > In this version of Mailman the admin password for the list is encrypted, > > > well sort of... If you want to be clever and look at the source you can > > > easily figure this part out. > > > > > > In any case, I've seen this problem before after an upgrade and it seems > > > to be that the encryption has changed. Normally resetting the password > > > via the web-admin works. I don't know why it's not working in your case > > > - unless you upgraded python and didn't re-install Mailman. > > > > > > You might want to use dumpdb to look at the encrypted password, then try > > > to change it via the web admin and use dumpdb to see if it actually > > > changed. > > > > > > Good Luck - Jon Carnes > > > > > > On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 14:24, Steve Rifkin wrote: > > > > Now that we can see the plain-text passwords of members using dumpdb on the > > > > config.db file, how can we see the specific list admin password for a given > > > > list? I could see plaintext passwords for the users, but for what looked > > like > > > > the admin, I saw something very different than what the password is set to. > > > > > > > > A (bogus) example of this: Here are what looks like the admin lines from > > the > > > > config.db dump: > > > > > > > > 'owner': ['testlistadmin(a)cs.jhu.edu'], > > > > 'password': '=\x2b\x4abH\xgg3\x3n\x5e\x4e\xh_\xb6\xb2\x8n\xqp', > > > > 'passwords': {user1(a)jhu.edu': 'sdjlkl', > > > > 'user2(a)jhu.edu': 'nasdat', > > > > 'user3(a)jhu.edu': 'kljlkd', > > > > 'user4(a)jhu.edu': 'jsdafk', > > > > }, > > > > > > > > So, the user passwords are pretty clear, but the owner's password is not > > listed > > > > in plain text as to what the password is. > > > > > > > > How do we get that password? If I had that info, I could check to see why > > we > > > > are able to log into our mm site with the site-wide password or the user > > > > (subscriber) passwords, but *not* the list admin's password. (for mm > > 2.0.13) > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Date: 13 Dec 2002 16:58:52 -0500 > > > > > From: Jon Carnes <jonc(a)nc.rr.com> > > > > > To: Gary Smith <gary8smith(a)hotmail.com> > > > > > Cc: Mailman users Mailing list <mailman-users(a)python.org> > > > > > > > > > > The archives have a script for this (for versions 2.0.x), and you can > > > > > easily modify the script found here to do it (you will have to be system > > > > > admin): > > > > > > > > > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.007.htp > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 12:25, Gary Smith wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > How do I find out the passwords of subscribers with out clicking on the > > > > > 'send me my password button'? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Gary Smith > > > Steve Rifkin - JHU CS Dept Sr. Unix Systems Administrator Technical Director steve410(a)cs.jhu.edu 410-516-6281

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notices of subscribes and unsubscribes
by Chuck Peters Dec. 27, 2002

Dec. 27, 2002

Re the "Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes?" which we have turned on. Since the upgrade of 2.1rc1 from 2.1b3 we are getting 2 notifications of subscriptions and not getting notifications of unsubscriptions. I hope no one has been experiencing this problem with new installs or upgrades of the 2.0.x mailman. Any suggestions how to fix this? Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Peters, Systems Administrator, Network Engineer and Linux Tech. StarrySkies Network, http://StarrySkies.com, publishing science articles since 1995. http://StarrySkies.Net, an online science community. http://StarryMessenger.Net, the weekly newsletter of StarrySkies.

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