Mailman 3 November 2003 - Mailman-Users

Migrating lists
by Peter Jaros 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

My apologies if this is always asked, but I've been searching for the answer for a while. How does one properly migrate lists from one installation of Mailman to another on another box? What are the permissions caveats? Could someone put this in the FAQ? The question is there, but not the answer... <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.023.htp> Also, I think my archives are pooched. What should the $prefix/archives/* directories look like (incl. perms). Much thanks, Peter --- Funding for this program comes from Borders without Doctors: The Bookstore Chain That Sounds Like a Charity. --Harry Shearer, Le Show

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix
by pvmailman＠nekophile.com 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Success. It's always the simple permissions issues! Considering that most who run mailman with postfix would face this, I'm suprised that a 0 B aliases file and db were included with the fedora rpm - it would prevent users from getting the perms wrong on a system where you, by default, cannot su to mailman. Thanks again to everyone (and sorry it turned out to be such a trivial error!) Phil -- # If I had only known, I would have been a locksmith. # -- Albert Einstein

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Re: Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and postfix
by pvmailman＠nekophile.com 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Well, I rmlist'd the list and tried again with the new aliases db line in my main.cf for postfix. No dice. However, I did encounter an error page that might help. What happens is I enter the info on the create list page. When I submit, I get a popup asking what user's password I'm trying to change, so I select <>. Next page is an error (below). If I again try the process, I'm told the list exists already (an error page indicates as much). FWIW, I also double-checked and I cannot get mail at mail.nekophile.com in general (same error). That error page: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.2 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 217, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 232, in create _update_maps() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.2.3 (#1, Oct 15 2003, 23:33:35) [GCC 3.3.1 20030930 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.1-6)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /usr sys.exec_prefix /usr sys.path /usr sys.platform linux2 Environment variables: Variable Value CONTENT_LENGTH 137 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_REFERER http://www.nekophile.com/mailman/create SCRIPT_FILENAME /var/mailman/cgi-bin/create PYTHONPATH /var/mailman SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/2.0.47 (Fedora) SERVER_ADMIN root@localhost SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/create SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/2.0.47 (Fedora) Server at www.nekophile.com Port 80 REQUEST_METHOD POST HTTP_HOST www.nekophile.com HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING REQUEST_URI /mailman/create HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,video/x-mng,image/png,image/jpeg,image/gif;q=0.2,*/*;q=0.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 Firebird/0.7 HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive SERVER_NAME www.nekophile.com REMOTE_ADDR 64.81.73.79 REMOTE_PORT 47143 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 UNIQUE_ID 9-h09n8AAAEAAGOFDNwAAAAI SERVER_PORT 80 GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate SERVER_ADDR 64.81.73.79 DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www/html --- The file perms: /var/mailman/data root@twiggy $ ls -la total 64 drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 4096 Nov 29 17:20 . drwxrwsr-x 19 root mailman 4096 Nov 20 12:56 .. -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 4278 Nov 29 17:20 aliases -rw-r----- 1 mailman mailman 12288 Nov 29 17:20 aliases.db Thank you again! Phil

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qrunner
by John Poltorak 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Is there any alternative to running qrunner via cron? I am used to Majordomo which just sends outgoing mail straight through to Sendmail and it gets sent out automatically as and when necessary. Can I get Mailman to do this? What I would like to do is avoid mail from being queued, or at least process it as soon as it has arrived in the qfiles directory. Is there any option for doing this? -- John

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No mail is going out
by Thomas Spuhler 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

I just upgraded from MDK9.1 to 9.2. I now have Mailman 2.1 I know that the aliases have a problem, so I created a new list "testlist" and added one address, myself. I had some permission problems (seen in the mail log) but solved those with check-perm -f I now cannot find any new errors in the logs. the mail log info shows that the massage was sent: Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/pickup[11633]: 9201C415F3: uid=501 from=<thomas(a)btspuhler.com> Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/cleanup[11634]: 9201C415F3: message-id=<1070122918.3931.7.camel(a)aargau.btspuhler.com> Nov 29 09:21:58 aargau postfix/nqmgr[2921]: 9201C415F3: from=<thomas(a)btspuhler.com>, size=1111, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Nov 29 09:21:59 aargau postfix/local[11636]: 9201C415F3: to=<testlist(a)btspuhler.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post testlist") I only see one hint from lst night, but no new after the last message: Nov 28 20:18:00 2003 mailmanctl(8406): Is qrunner even running? Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): PID unreadable in: /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' Nov 28 21:32:40 2003 mailmanctl(8822): Is qrunner even running? Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 mailmanctl(3681): Site list is missing: mailman Nov 28 22:17:29 2003 (3681) Site list is missing: mailman Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): PID unreadable in: /var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/mailman/data/master-qrunner.pid' Nov 28 22:44:27 2003 mailmanctl(4297): Is qrunner even running? bash-2.05b$ grep mailman /etc/aliases Gives: # Added by the mailman rpm mailman: root mailman-owner: mailman ## created: 11-Jul-2003 mailman spuhlerfam: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post spuhlerfam" spuhlerfam-admin: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner spuhlerfam" spuhlerfam-request: "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd spuhlerfam" tmwchorale: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post tmwchorale" tmwchorale-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tmwchorale" tmwchorale-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tmwchorale" tmcboard: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper post tmcboard" tmcboard-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailowner tmcboard" tmcboard-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/wrapper mailcmd tmcboard" No aliases show up for testlist! Unfortunately there is not much literature available about MM version 2.1. -- Best Regards Thomas Spuhler All e-mails from this location have been scanned for viruses This e-mail has been digitally signed

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Searching archives
by John Poltorak 30 Nov '03

30 Nov '03

Are there any recommendations for providing a search facility for archives? -- John

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Most of the messages bounced
by Vitaliy Razhanskiy 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hi, I am trying to setup a mailing list for an orchestra. We have about 750 subscribers. When I was testing the mailman with 4-10 people it worked fine, when I transferred everybody to the list and tried to post a message, only 5-10% received it, the rest got bounce score of 1.0. Even those who had no problems in testing mode. Did anybody have a similar problem? Support of my hosting company says that everything is fine on their side and mailman is installed correctly. Thanks in advance. Vitaliy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/

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(no subject)
by Scott Berry 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Hello there, I am looking for the defaults.py that is created when Mailman is installed on a /Debian system can some one point me in the right direction please? Thanks a lot.

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Re: Partial list mail delivery
by Paul H Byerly 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Rod Neep wrote: >List members can all post OK to the list >The messages all appear in the archives for each list. > >However..... > >User A receives mail from some lists, but not from others >User B ditto (but not the same lists necessarily). > >Therefore there is nothing wrong with the user's address or ISP. >The problem exists with hundreds of users, (but not all). What ISP's are affected? ISP's and on-line mail systems like HotMail and Yahoo are all adding and changing systems to deal with spam, and Mailman list mail will get flagged as spam by many of these systems. I know that by default both HotMail and Yahoo will direct list mail to the bulk or junk folder. To make matters worse Yahoo's system has a bad habit of "forgetting" that a list has been identified as wanted mail. As far as I know all major systems will not block of move something like a password reminder, so have the users request such a reminder from any list they do not get mail from. If they get that, it's probably a spam blocking issue. For Yahoo the best bet is to set up a filter rather than using their spam marking system. Users who belong to more than one of your lists can set up to receive anything from your server and be done with it. <>< Paul

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Adding users to a list
by John Poltorak 29 Nov '03

29 Nov '03

Is there any way to add a number of users to a list from a script? -- John

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