Mailman 3 November 2003 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive
by Brian Craft 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 08:21:53AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: > Brian Craft wrote: > > >I just went through the INSTALL doc and set up the /pipermail/ alias. > >The archive links now give me a permission denied error. > > > >The permissions on the directories are as shown: > > > >drwxrws--- 6 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 private > >drwxrwsr-x 2 root list 4096 Nov 25 18:05 public > > > >Is this correct? If I add "other" read & execute to the "private" > >directory, then the archive links works. But I doubt that's the > >right solution. > > > >I don't really understand this private/public directory business and the > >symbolic links between them. Can someone explain what the goal is? > > > >b.c. > run bin/check_perms -f to see if you have correct permissions. It reports no problems, but I still get "permission denied" on the archive from apache. b.c.

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newsletter
by Szederyesi Iosif 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Hello, I have a question regarding the functionality of the Mailman application... Presuming this situation: I want to use Mailman for a newsletter on my site. As an administrator, I can add a new user to the newsletter list. When I want to send the weekly e-mail, I will send a single e-mail to the mailing list, which will send the message to all subscribed users. I need to configure Mailman to accept e-mails only from the administrator...so, the subscribed users cannot send e-mail to the mailing list. Is this possible? If yes, what should I set in the Mailman's configuration? The Mailman is installed on the server where my site is hosted. I don't have root access to install/modify anything on this server... Thanks in advance, JB

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Mailman 2.13/Sendmail/the Python "mm-handler" like patch vs. "User unknown"
by Gary Goldberg 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

[the following is looong but has lots of supporting docs...] [BACKGROUND] Hello. I am trying to implement a dedicated Mailman system on a RedHat 9 server. I really want to get this working, but I am having some problems with "User unknown". The software revs involved include Mailman 2.13, Sendmail 8.12.8-9.90 (from patched RPM), the mm-handler contrib, MIMEDefang 2.38, SpamAssassin 2.60, Razor 2.36 and all the required perl modules. Except for sendmail, everything was compiled from source. Mailman is installed in /home/mailman, varprefix is /var/mailman, and cgi-gid = "apache", mail-gid = "mail". (I have suexec running on this apache 2.0.40 (RPM) webserver, but no SuexecUserGroup line for the mailman virtual site.) The mailman URL is "http://lists.digimark.net/mailman/listinfo". The mail domain is lists.digimark.net and this is dedicated to the installation. I am also setting up "lists.snpp.com" in the same system. [The PROBLEM] The problem is that every message to the system is being rejected with a "User unknown" message. Specifically: Nov 26 03:27:48 cello sendmail[20336]: hAQ8RlUt020336: <simpsons-l(a)lists.snpp.com>... User unknown Nov 26 03:27:48 cello sendmail[20336]: hAQ8RlUt020336: from=<xxxxxx(a)xxxxxx.com>, size=1609, class=0, nrcpts=0, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=mailsrv1.tranzpeer.net [202.180.66.207] (simpsons-l is one of the lists in lists.snpp.com, but it is doing it for all lists.) >From tests and logs, it appears that Sendmail is configured OK, Mailman is installed and running fine, SpamAsssassin, MIMEDefang etc are all working. I've implemented the mm-handler contrib -- mm-handler is installed in /etc/mail and is executable, the MM variables in the script are set $MMWRAPPER = "/home/mailman/mail/mailman"; $MMLISTDIR = "/var/mailman/lists"; $SENDMAIL = "/usr/lib/sendmail -oem -oi"; $VERSION = '$Id: mm-handler,v 1.2 2002/04/05 19:41:09 bwarsaw Exp $'; Since this wasn't making the right connection between sendmail and mm-handler, I started installing the Python patch from patch #644810, but got stopped after applying both the existstatus and mailer patches, because I couldn't find the replacment proto.m4.patch to apply. I need to stay with this installation, can anyone offer help? Thanks in advance. -Gary [CONFIGURATION] /etc/mail/mailertable is lists.digimark.net mailman:lists.digimark.net /etc/mail/access is lists.digimark.net RELAY /etc/mail/local-host-names includes lists.digimark.net, mailman's /home/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py has these changes (Defaults.py unchanged): DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.digimark.net' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.digimark.net' VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('lists.snpp.com', 'lists.snpp.com') add_virtualhost('reactor.snpp.com', 'reactor.snpp.com') add_virtualhost('lists.rrlc.org', 'lists.rrlc.org') # Because we are using the contrib'd mm-handler for Sendmail. MTA = None # define alternate SMTP port SMTPPORT = 3333 and I added this startup command to /etc/init.d/sendmail: # Start extra run of sendmail for mailman defer queue on port 3333. /usr/sbin/sendmail -bd -ODeliveryMode=defer \ -ODaemonPortOptions=Name=MSA,Port=3333,M=E,Addr=127.0.0.1 The machine's sendmail.mc file is as follows: include(`/usr/share/sendmail-cf/m4/cf.m4')dnl VERSIONID(`(a)(#)digimark.mc 8.12.10 (DigiMark) 10/08/2003')dnl OSTYPE(linux)dnl DOMAIN(generic)dnl FEATURE(`limited_masquerade') FEATURE(`always_add_domain')dnl FEATURE(`use_cw_file')dnl FEATURE(`use_ct_file')dnl FEATURE(`nouucp',`reject')dnl FEATURE(`redirect')dnl FEATURE(`relay_entire_domain')dnl FEATURE(`smrsh',`/usr/sbin/smrsh')dnl FEATURE(`mailertable')dnl FEATURE(`virtusertable')dnl FEATURE(`access_db',`hash -T<TMPF> -o /etc/mail/access.db')dnl FEATURE(`local_procmail',`',`procmail -t -Y -a $h -d $u')dnl FEATURE(`blacklist_recipients')dnl MASQUERADE_AS(`lists.digimark.net')dnl INPUT_MAIL_FILTER(`mimedefang',`S=unix:/var/spool/mimedefang/mimedefang.sock,F=T,T=S:360s;R:360s;E:15m') TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1,Name=MTA')dnl DAEMON_OPTIONS(`Post=smtp,Addr=65.37.199.195,Name=MTA')dnl define(`ALIAS_FILE',`/etc/mail/aliases,/etc/mail/lists')dnl define(`PROCMAIL_MAILER_PATH',`/usr/bin/procmail')dnl define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS',`CRAM-MD5 DIGEST-MD5 PLAIN LOGIN')dnl define(`confCOPY_ERRORS_TO',`postmaster')dnl define(`confDELIVERY_MODE',`background')dnl define(`confDONT_PROBE_INTERFACES',`True')dnl define(`confEBINDIR',`/etc/smrsh')dnl define(`confMAX_DAEMON_CHILDREN',`50')dnl define(`confMAX_QUEUE_CHILDREN',`25')dnl define(`confMIN_FREE_BLOCKS',`1000')dnl define(`confTO_QUEUEWARN',`1d')dnl define(`confDEF_USER_ID',``8:12'')dnl define(`confTRUSTED_USER',`smmsp')dnl MAILER(`local')dnl MAILER(`smtp')dnl MAILER(`procmail')dnl dnl By default, sendmail applies virtusertable mapping, if at all, for dnl all interfaces for which it accepts mail -- i.e., all domains in dnl $=w. Mm-handler relies on your having a single domain (hostname) dnl that serves only lists, with no users. To avoid potential namespace dnl conflicts, you need not to have this list domain included in $=w. dnl As a result, virtuser mapping does not apply for the Mailman dnl list domain. However, you can pre-empt this rule by defining dnl $={VirtHost}: if there are domains in this class, they will be dnl mapped before $=w is mapped. VIRTUSER_DOMAIN() defines this class. VIRTUSER_DOMAIN(`lists.digimark.net lists.snpp.com')dnl dnl dnl Our Mailman-specific local mailer. dnl MAILER_DEFINITIONS #################################### ### New Mailer specifications ### #################################### ## Special flags! See ## http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/doc8.10/op-sh-5.html#sh-5.4 ## Note especially the absence of the "m" and "n" flags. THIS IS ## IMPORTANT: mm-handler assumes this behavior to avoid having to know ## too much about address parsing and other RFC-2822 mail details. Mmailman, P=/etc/mail/mm-handler, F=rDFMhlqSu, U=mail:mail, S=EnvFromL, R=EnvToL/HdrToL, A=mm-handler $h $u [END] -- "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." - Anais Nin Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW <og(a)digimark.net> V:301/249-6501 F:301/390-1955 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing/Bowie MD/Systems & Networks Consult <http://www.digimark.net/>

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Elizabeth Dunnagan/Raleigh/IBM is out of the office.
by Elizabeth Dunnagan 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I will be out of the office starting November 26, 2003 and will not return until December 1, 2003. For emergencies during my absence, please contact Kimberly Brantley for search and IA and Jack Pizzolato for anything else.

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Re: Spanish Mailman List Member Manual available! - reviewers needed!
by Evelyn V. Stevens 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 "pchamorro" <pchamorro(a)ingeomin.gov.co> wrote: > > Dear Mailman Users, > > I finished the Spanish translation of 'GNU Mailman - List Member Manual' > written by Terri Oda. If somebody knows about spanish-fluent mailman users, > please forward this message to him/her. The translated manual is available in > both HTML and PDF formats at the below addresses. > > I already contacted to the Spanish Internationalization leader, but he seems > too busy :(, so, the review of the translation is really needed. > > Any comment is welcome! > > Pablo Chamorro C. > > ---------- > Pablo, I can review the translation and have comments back to you early next week (maybe with an Argentine accent, hope you don't mind!). Evelyn Evelyn V. Stevens, Ph.D. E-mail: evelyn(a)udel.edu Information Technologies-User Services U. of Delaware, Newark, DE 19716 Phone: 302-831-4240

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Re: [Mailman-Users] permission denied on archive
by Brian Craft 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 11:34:12AM -0600, Dan Phillips wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2003, at 11:25 AM, Brian Craft wrote: > >It reports no problems, but I still get "permission denied" on the > >archive > >from apache. > > > > "Aha!" he said. This is an Apache error, as in "indexing not allowed?" > Are there any posts to the list yet? If not, then there are no > archives, and no index files. If your apache setup prohibits directory > indexing, that would explain this error. If this is the case, send a > post to the list so that there actually IS an archive, then try again. > If I'm completely off base, then ignore everything I've written :-) There is an index file, and I get the same error if I use the full path of the index file, like "http://foo.com/pipermail/mylist/index.html". So I don't think it's a indexing setting. Does anyone understand why these directories are set-gid? I'm still failing to get the big picture in this directory layout. b.c.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] wrapper script run as nogroup
by Jeremy Gilbert 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

> The wrapper script will run as the GID that it was compiled to run as; > this has nothing whatsoever to do with Postfix. > > The postfix-users list will just tell you to come back here, I expect. > > You'll have to recompile Mailman with the correct --with-mail-gid > option. The option to give to --with-mail-gid is the group > that Postfix > runs as... > > You could choose to be obtuse and recompile Postfix to run as > the group > nogroup, but I think that could break other stuff in the system that > depends on Postfix. > > Regards, > > -- > Simon White. Internet Consultant, Linux/Windows Server Administration. I agree this is how it should work and how I expected it to work, but that is not my experience. I compiled Mailman with the default options, so the gid should have been, by default, mailman. I also compiled Postfix from source with the default options. The only way I have successfully forced the wrapper to be run as gid mailman was to change the system and Postfix aliases files to be owned by gid mailman. I don't know why this is, and I'm not going back to "fix" it now that it works just to find out. I guess it will remain a mystery why my Mailman works this way and almost everyone else's works the way you described. Jeremy Gilbert zhq9eva02(a)sneakemail.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Easy Install Instructions for Mailman and (exim, postfix or sendmail)
by Mike Gifford 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

Howdy Todd, > Mike Gifford wrote: > > I've got a pretty vanilla Red Hat install and am trying to get > > Mailman set up, but I'm stumbling on getting a mail program up > > running so that I can receive mail. > What version of Red Hat? What version of Mailman? RH 8.0 - upgraded with apt-get mailman-2.1.1-4 sendmail-8.12.8-9.90 postfix-1.1.12-1 > > I've started to install exim (but their docs are overly > > complicated). Sendmail & postfix were installed, but not properly > > configured. I've heard about nightmares with sendmail configs. > In recent Red Hat installs, neither sendmail nor postfix are > configured by default to accept connections on anything other than the > local interface, AFAIK. Postfix has an option, inet_interfaces, that > controls this. Sendmail has a setting you can tweak in the > sendmail.mc file as well. Tweaking only works if you know what to touch.. Any pointers? /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > I'd go with Postfix over Sendmail. It it pretty simple to setup and > it's integration with Mailman is excellent. Once you get an MTA > running for your site, then install Mailman and read the README.{MTA} > file for that MTA from the Mailman tarball or rpm. Ok.. well, I've got the source for exim (with make not quite working yet), with sendmail & postfix set up as rpm's.. How do I activate postfix so that this is run.. > One note, if you have Red Hat 9, DO NOT use the RPM from there. Get > an updated one, the stock Red Hat 9 rpm was borked in several annoying > ways that will just make your life more interesting that it needs to > be. I'd like a boring life and a simple install.. :) I'll probably jump to Fedora in a bit.. Mike -- Mike Gifford, OpenConcept Consulting Free Software for Social Change -> http://www.openconcept.ca Stop Cdn Pension Plan War Investments -> http://coat.openconcept.ca/ Another world is not only possible, she is on her way -Arundhati Roy

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Totally Newby - Virtual Host Problem
by Liz Marr 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I'm going to be debugging a Mailman install that has gone bad without much previous "root" experience or Mailman except as a list owner. I have worked with Apache some, but not enough to entirely understand the whole picture. Here are the symptoms - sorry that I don't have the actual files to show. The lists were running on another server, then the service provider upgraded and moved to a new server. The lists quit parsing the virtual domains at that time, but the list control panel was useable enough to be able to insert the IP address of the hosting server under the default URL and then all of the web interface and mail worked fine as it inserted the IP address appropriately. Not too long after that Mailman was updated and then the IP "fix" went away. Now, the web interface resolves to the virtual host when anything is "clicked". I can get to the admin interface for the list I am working with, but whenever I try to make changes, it defaults back to the virtual host - giving me a "file not found" error. I've tried to "hack" it by taking apart the source to get the appropriate CGI string - but it has not happened. I can't change the named host to the IP address because when I click the box it tries to send it through the virtual domain. I did go and try to use a redirect to solve the addressing, but Mailman is run prior to address resolution, so this doesn't work either and the redirect is useless. My goals are the following: 1) Temp solution - locate and change the "host" to the IP address so that links will work correctly (not the best solution) 2) Check all of the alias and virtual host entries and see what need to be changed and make the changes and try to solve it this way. Either solution, here is my problem. What changes need to have a recompile before going into affect, what changes need a program restart, which changes are simply to edit a configuration file where it will be parsed and used automatically, and which changes don't go into effect without a server restart . Here are some of the files that I have researched that I need to check on - can you help me with which will go into effect immediately, which are needing recompile, which need a program restart (and which program) and which need a server restart. As it is a large production server and I'm not where I can actually do the restart, I need to coordinate server restarts with the server owner. Files to configure: httpd.conf /usr/local/etc/exim/configure Mailman/mm_cfg.py Do these changes need to be done each time a virtual domain is added to the server? Is there a variable to make this happen automatically (come to think about it - I haven't debugged to see if this might already be working fine by adding a new domain) Also, do I need to run this program for every existing list on the server? If so, is there a way to batch this? ./bin/withlist -l -r fix_url <listname>

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Need Help
by djgury＠dholnbass.com 26 Nov '03

26 Nov '03

I would like some help on Mailman. 1). When I send an email to my entire mailing list, why is it that some people get my email and some don't, I don't even get a bounce back msgs for the email addresses that did not get it. Although I do get bounce back msgs. Is there a setting that or something that I need to recheck. 2). Is there a way I can get a log of all the email addresses that have been delivered and such. Thanks for all the help.

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