Mailman 3 November 2004 - Mailman-Users

Here is a how-to for Mailman and ClarkConnect
by Rodd Ahrenstorff 26 Nov '04

26 Nov '04

I've put together a step-by-step installation of Mailman 2.1.5 on ClarkConnect 2.2 server from source. ClarkConnect works great for small server needs and provides initial security for newbies. Link here: http://www.bhlug.org/links.html. Also, follow the SSL certificate how-to on the same page. Hope it's useful. Rodd Ahrenstorff

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Re: Deleting a list - Mac OS X
by demo 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Just to say that this actually does not work for Apple's OS X Server version 2.1.2 of Mailman ... Good heavens! It does somethings but I am not sure if it is my shortcomings or the proprietary version's. Adding; OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes to /usr/share/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py Adds a new link to the General Options admin page that links to a new page; http://yourdomain.com/mailman/rmlist/mailing That offers you to delete the list and archive. [ n.b deleting a list in the Apple GUI does *not* delete the archive ]. However, doing so brings up a bug report as below and deleting it via the button does *not* delete the list; In fact, I think the inclusion of that line screws up the install a bit, although I am not asking for help here - only feeding back. Doing so, I just tried this on a totally virgin OS X Server install, also adds a new line that says, " If you have the proper authority, you can also create a new mailing list. " on the general list Admin page [ http://yourdomain.com/mailman/admin ]. Again, this looks like it might work but throws up a similar bug report. *However*, it *does* create a List in the GUI *and* web interface. Is there another line I ought to have written out to make this work? [ will check the FAQs later but it is 2 am here and I have to time out ... If anyone is interested in the second bug report I could post it ... I guess it might be hackable. The archives [ /var/mailman/archives/public ] are created but not deleted either way. This seems to be a bit of Apple weirdness for some reason. You seem to have to go in there are manually exorcise them. MA <quote> We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/share/mailman/scripts/driver", line 87, in run_main main() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py", line 91, in main process_request(doc, cgidata, mlist) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py", line 126, in process_request sys.modules[modname].remove(mlist, cgi=1) File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 296, in remove _update_maps() File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py", line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/sbin/postalias /private/var/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Operation not permitted) Python information: Variable Value sys.version 2.3 (#1, Sep 13 2003, 00:49:11) [GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1495)] sys.executable /usr/bin/python sys.prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.exec_prefix /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.path /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3 sys.platform darwin Environment variables: Variable Value HTTP_REFERER http://yourdomain.com/mailman/rmlist/mailing SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.29 (Darwin) PHP/4.3.2 SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/rmlist SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.29 Server at yourdomain.com Port 16080 REQUEST_METHOD POST PATH_INFO /mailing SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 QUERY_STRING CONTENT_LENGTH 53 HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/125.5.5 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/125.11 HTTP_CONNECTION close HTTP_COOKIE mailing+admin=280200000069ea3ba54173280000006665306131373262626235356539633 4373031663964303933643234356532653636376530356230 SERVER_NAME yourdomain.com REMOTE_ADDR 192.168.1.2 HTTP_PC_REMOTE_ADDR 212.18.232.35 PATH_TRANSLATED /Library/WebServer/Documents/mailing SERVER_PORT 16080 SERVER_ADDR 192.168.1.2 DOCUMENT_ROOT /Library/WebServer/Documents PYTHONPATH /usr/share/mailman SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/share/mailman/cgi-bin/rmlist SERVER_ADMIN admin(a)example.com SCRIPT_URI http://yourdomain.com:16080/mailman/rmlist/mailing HTTP_HOST yourdomain.com SCRIPT_URL /mailman/rmlist/mailing REQUEST_URI /mailman/rmlist/mailing HTTP_ACCEPT */* GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 REMOTE_PORT 54413 HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us, ja;q=0.57, ja-jp;q=0.71, en;q=0.86, fr;q=0.43, de-de;q=0.29, de;q=0.14 __CF_USER_TEXT_ENCODING 0x46:0:0 CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate;q=1.0, identity;q=0.5, *;q=0 </quote>

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subscribe another list as a member
by Hong Jiang Tian 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hi, There were two mailing lists of lista and listb on the Mailman server. I created a new mailing list named listc by subscribing lista and listb as the only two members of listc. When I posted to listc by a member of lista, the mail was being held until the list moderator can reviewed it for approval. The reason it was being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list. My question: Is it possible to subscribe another list as a member of the current list with Mailman? Thanks for your help! Hong

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Prevent Web Subscription Confirmation?
by Speedy Gonzalis 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

In ver 2.1.4 I want to prevent subscription confirmation via the web. Subscribing via the web is fine, but not confirmation. Allowing this lets people/IPs black listed at server level in postfix to go around my spam /security system. Any help appreciated. Tim

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RE: [Mailman-Users] subscribe another list as a member
by Hong Jiang Tian 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Thanks very much for your help! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: Thu, November 25, 2004 11:13 AM To: Hong Jiang Tian; mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] subscribe another list as a member Hong Jiang Tian wrote: > >There were two mailing lists of lista and listb on the Mailman server. I >created a new mailing list named listc by subscribing lista and listb as the >only two members of listc. When I posted to listc by a member of lista, the >mail was being held until the list moderator can reviewed it for approval. >The reason it was being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list. > >My question: >Is it possible to subscribe another list as a member of the current list >with Mailman? Not so that members of the sub-list can post to the "umbrella" list. but see >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py article 3.5 for one possible work around. Also, Jim Tittsler developed a patch which allows a list name to be added to the list of non-members allowed to post, which can be used to allow members of a sub-list to post to the "umbrella" list. See http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Unable to get Mailman up and running with qmail/vpopmail
by DIGITAL FOR YOU - Alexander Schwethelm 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

Hi there, I've been trying now for almost 3 days and I am about to give up :-( I tried to install using those tutorials http://nav.bandersnatch.org/clues/qmail-vpopmail-mailman.html and http://www.nerdworks.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=12 The second link doesn't seem to work today, so I will paste the tutorial at the end of this mail as I kept a local copy. Everything seems to run fine. I am able to create lists, I can sign lists, etc. What doesn't work and this is of course the most important part, is any mail to mailman. Let's say I have a list mylist(a)lists.mydomain.tld and I send an email to this address as a list user, the mail gets stuck in the qmail queue. So I am not even sure if those mails ever reach mailman in order to process the mails? Any help is highly appreciated. Best regards, Alex PS: Below you'll find the tutorial mentioned above.. Whatsoever I used mailman-2-1.5 not 2.1.3! How to set up the Mailman mailing list manager to work with the Qmail MTA http://www.nerdworks.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=12 How to set up the Mailman (http://mailman.sourceforge.net/) mailing list manager (MLM) to work with the Qmail (http://cr.yp.to/) MTA using vpopmail to handle virtual users, and Apache with dynamically configured mass virtual hosting. The default install-prefix for Mailman is /usr/local. Personally I really don't like to put things that grows in to /usr. You can of course split the installation by using ./configure options. In this HOWTO I change the install-prefix to /var. This document assumes you have already set up a DNS "A" record for lists.your.domain. It also assumes a fairly good knowledge about using the shell. 1. Mailman requires the mailman user, the mailman group and the mailman install-directory to be present. The following commands will accomplish this. groupadd mailman useradd -d /var/mailman -g mailman mailman cd /var mkdir mailman chown mailman:mailman mailman chmod a+rx mailman chmod g+ws mailman 2. With the user, group and directory in place, we can start working with the sourcecode for Mailman. Download the source from http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ I downloaded it to /usr/src. Untar and enter the Mailman source directory. cd /usr/src tar zxvpf mailman-2.1.3.tgz cd mailman-2.1.3 Read the documentation, but do not take the Qmail part of it too seriously, some of it is dated, and it is a true mess of solutions for different environments. The mailman user is not a virtual user, so mail to Mailman should be delivered as mailman. The cgi-gid is the user that Apache run as. Check in your httpd.conf for the right user. ./configure --prefix=/var/mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman --with-cgi-gid=nobody --with-cgi-ext=.cgi make install cd /var/mailman ./bin/check_perms ./bin/check_perms -f ./bin/check_perms After running check_perms with the -f switch, it should return no problems. Edit /var/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py At he top of the file set: MailmanHome = "/var/mailman"; MailmanVar = "/var/mailman"; MailmanOwner = "postmaster"; in the Qrunner defaults section DEFAULT_EMAiL_HOST = 'lists.your.domain' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.your.domain' 3. This howto assumes you are running Apache with dynamically configured mass virtual hosting. If you are not using dynamically configured mass virtual hosting, just skip this section. Read more about dynamically configured mass virtual hosting at: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/mass.html It is areally nice feature. mkdir -p /path/to/domain/lists/htdocs 4. Configuring Apache for Mailman. cp /var/mailman/icons/* /var/www/icons edit /etc/apache/httpd.conf Add the following inside the <IfModule mod_alias.c> section: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /var/mailman/cgi-bin <Directory "/var/mailman/cgi-bin/"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> Alias /pipermail/ /var/mailman/archives/public <Directory "/var/mailman/archives/public/"> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> 5. Set up the cronjobs neccesary for Mailman. The needed cronjobs are located in /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in Set them up as the user mailman with this command. crontab /var/mailman/cron/crontab.in -u mailman 6. Configuring qmail to handle mail for lists.your.domain Make mailman handle all mail to lists.your.domain by inserting the following line to /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains. lists.your.domain:mailman Put the following line in /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts. lists.your.domain Copy /usr/src/mailman-2.1.3/contrib/qmail-to-mailman.py to /var/mailman/ Edit /var/mailman/.qmail-default and add the following line. |/usr/bin/python /var/mailman/qmail-to-mailman.py 7. Now we can create the Mailman site-wide list. This is the list that password reminders and so on appears to come from. cd /var/mailman ./bin/newlist mailman passwd A fairly good default configuration for the site-wide list is found in /var/mailman/data/sitelist.cfg. Configure it to your taste. vi data/sitelist.cfg Make your changes. Run the following command to set the defaults. ./bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman Use a webbrowser and go to http://your server/mailman/admin.cgi/admin configure to taste, but don't make this list public. subscribe youself to the list. More information for list owners at: http://www.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/ 8. making it all run. start the Mailman grunner daemon with this command. /var/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Make sure maimanctl starts at every bootup. In Slackware, add the above command to /etc/rc.d/rc.local restart qmail 9. For dynamically configured mass virtual hosting, in /path/to/domain/lists/htdocs, make an index.html document redirecting to http://lists.your.domain/mailman/listinfo.cgi 10. Set up a testlist, configure it, and subscribe to it from more than one account and test it. Remove the testlist when you are satisfied. 11. Comments and suggestions are very welcome

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Deleting a list
by Bryan Fullerton 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:16:05 +1100, Terry Allen <hmag(a)ozemail.com.au> wrote: > Is it possible to delete a list using the HTML pages in > Mailman? If not, am I correct in that deleting a list requires > running the rmlist command from the command line like this: Good question. I see there's a rmlist wrapper in the cgi-bin directory, so theoretically you should be able to use the URL /mailman/rmlist/listname, but when I tried with one of my lists I get simply this back: You're being a sneaky list owner! So either there are more arguments needed, or perhaps someone was just having a private laugh when that command was added to the web interface... Bryan

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Need help with upgrading.
by Renáe Lindsay 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

I had Mailman installed on my server by someone else (I know nothing about using Unix Servers) but since then I've lost track of the person who did it for me. I need to have the software upgraded on my server and wonder if anyone on the list is knowledgeable enough to undertake that task for me. Needless to say, I run a very small business so the price needs to be reasonable. Thanks. Renae

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Displaying lists on different vhosts?
by Matthew Saltzman 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

I have a Web server that serves a couple of different sites, aaa.com and bbb.com (say). It also is my Mailman host for both domains. What I'd like is for list.aaa.com/mailman to show the lists for aaa.com and list.bbb.com/mailman to show the lists for bbb.com. I don't need to worry about list namespace clashes--I have control of both servers, so I can name the lists aaa-xxx-list and bbb-yyy-list to avoid conflicts. At the moment, all lists show up on list.aaa.com/mailman. Is this just a matter of having both Apache vhosts set up, then running fix_url on the bbb.com lists, and then removing the redirect from bbb.com/mailman to list.aaa.com/mailman? Or is it more complicated than that? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs

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How to set archives link.
by Shubham Saxena 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

I have done all the things but the archives page cannot be setup. Can u please tell me how to set link for archives. i am using mailman 2.1 on linux red hat 9. Yahoo! India Matrimony: Find your life partneronline.

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