Mailman 3 December 2004 - Mailman-Users

Complex code such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman
by Ulisse Dec. 24, 2004

Dec. 24, 2004

In past, i have posted about the capability to insert html code or banner such as header and footer in the messages sent by mailman mailing lists. In fact for a production site it is not good the limit to insert simple test or link in header and footer. Have someone news about an hack patch, rpm, instructions or similar about the capability to insert complex code such as header and footer ? I think to put in a Freelancer site (http://www.getacoder.com/ , http://www.getafreelancer.com/ , http://… [View More]freelanceauctionnetwork.com/ or similar ) a bid about this problem, but i have a limitate budget. Is it difficult to make this type of modification ? ............................. I have to say I have the same questions. I think this is a valid question and the stuff on these links only confuses me more. I love this system, and I only vaguely seem to remember about 11 subliminal messages that basically tell you no - that this system isn't designed for those frills. If that's not the case, could someone please answer this question in a way people like me can understand? I am not a programmer, and I think a lot of these links are confusing to non-programmers. I still have a list of questions I can't seem to get answered (for myself), but am still thrilled with the system and have been making it work in a way that I love. For instance: 1) Can you add an html header to the emails? I still don't get it. I read the links you provided, and their sub-links. 2) Is there a way so people subscribing don't go back into that archaic interface - when it asks them to accept or decline the list it's flat out confusing - text overwhelm - my user base is consumers and not programmers. Why should a) they have too choose or deny when they are clicking on a link to confirm? It should just confirm them without another button text and w/o text overwhelm. and b) it takes them back to a list of all my lists, which I hate, or at least would like to have the option of avoiding, if I am not intending to mix all my subscribers. I don't want them to have the option of joining other groups unless I intend to give it to them. 3) I don't understand if you can attach PDFs where it says, i.e. to new subscribers, etc. When I attach one, it just inserts garble into the text box once the PDF file is uploaded. I can't tell if this is an error, or what, and if I can include additional text. Thanks, guys! Jonathan On Aug 16, 2004, at 3:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:04 PM +0200 2004-08-15, Ulisse wrote: At the moment i can insert, such as header and footer, in the messages sent via Mailman Mailing lists only pure text and links. Is it possible, for the administrator/moderator of the lists, to insert images, html code, banner, java feed or other complex code, such as header and footer, in every message sent via Mailman Mailing lists ??? If you had bothered to follow the instructions at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? req=show&file=faq01.022.htp>, you should have been able to find (without too much trouble) the FAQ entry at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py? req=show&file=faq03.037.htp>. If yes. If it is possible... What is the system ??? Have you some instructions ? A link ? Exist an rpm or a modification ??? See above. [View Less]

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help me
by Cameron Tuckerman Dec. 23, 2004

Dec. 23, 2004

help! I am the email administrator at my schools website and we have implemented mailman on one of our servers. The problem is since the interphase is directed at people who are stupid and I have three lists, I had a nice set up using minimalist to do this but mailman is soooo much nicer. To migrate i was going to change the script to post to mylist-join(a)myserver.com my problem is that when i simply email this address nothing happens at all, no bounce backs or anything. Do i have to say … [View More]

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Reply only to the list
by thomas Armstrong Dec. 23, 2004

Dec. 23, 2004

Hi. I want to configure my list in order to users reply ONLY to the list. Is this what I must set?: - Should any existing Reply-To: header found in the original message be stripped? YES - Where are replies to list messages directed? THIS LIST Thank you very much.

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Unistalling Mailman & upgrade
by david gordon Dec. 23, 2004

Dec. 23, 2004

I'd like to upgrade from 2.0.13 to the latest Mailman (2.1.5?). I've looked at the docs for doing this but wonder if I might be better deleting my current install and starting afresh. This (I hope) would solve a problem with my archive and the fact that admin messages come from the wrong host address (we moved host & I have tried fixing this...). I can't see anything in the FAQs about this, what do I need to delete (apart from the obvious!). Which files do I need to save in order to keep … [View More]

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Updated web sites
by Barry Warsaw Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

I've finally regained access to all three websites, list.org, mailman.sf.net, and the GNU mirror, so I've pushed out the latest updates. There are the usual additions to the list of users, but much more importantly there's Terri's new user documentation, and my recent consolidation of the installation documentation. There's also a very incomplete list administrator's guide on the site (volunteers to help polish this up are welcome!). Please poke around the site, read the documentation and … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How may I convert Majordomo lists to mailman?
by Brad Knowles Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

At 10:32 PM -0500 2004-12-22, KENNEY, William P. (Info. Tech. Services) wrote: > I have finally gotten mailman running on RHES 3.0. I need to move and > convert MD lists from an old Alpha/DU system to my current server. Has > any one done this before? I seem to recall a link in the archives but > can no longer find it. It's easy enough to import a list of subscribers. Mailman provides a mass-subscribe option that allows you to cut-n-paste a large number of addresses, or … [View More]

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Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 57 (On Vacation)
by Dana Jaeger Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

I will be on vacation beginning Thursday 12/23 and returning Tuesday 12/28. In the event of an emergancy, please contact the tech support help line. If your question concerns For Tivoli please contact Anca Suciu (5-5156). >>> mailman-users 12/22/04 22:15 >>> Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users(a)python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message … [View More]with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request(a)python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner(a)python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Two Questions (Bob Escher) 2. missing archives and weird size question (david gordon) 3. Re: [still] No address associated with nodename (John W. Baxter) 4. Re: Question on archives (John W. Baxter) 5. Mail list which is a collection of lists (Thomas Waters) 6. Re: attachment (Brad Knowles) 7. Re: Two Questions (Brad Knowles) 8. Re: Mail list which is a collection of lists (Mark Sapiro) 9. Re: missing archives and weird size question (Mark Sapiro) 10. Re: Two Questions (Mark Sapiro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:55:03 -0600 From: "Bob Escher" <bescher(a)rsegroup.com> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <001501c4e836$39638d00$43c12145(a)rsegroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Good Morning all I have two questions and both of them are probably where I can't find them. I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is for I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I would like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber might see) to be the same as the web pages are. Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK as well)as long as the archieves are in HTML. I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Thanks Bob Escher ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 15:07:28 +0000 From: "david gordon" <davidg(a)goraich.co.uk> Subject: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question To: <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <20041222150728.6788(a)smtp.goraich.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself (via Pipermail). On the website archive page <http://mydomain.tld/mailman/private/mylist/> messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive says it is 13MB. When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files admin@myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox admin@myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah total 44M drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file from August 2003 on the website? Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? How do I get out of this mess? Many thanks! -- David Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:53:45 -0800 From: "John W. Baxter" <jwblist(a)olympus.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [still] No address associated with nodename To: <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <BDEF5719.194ED%jwblist(a)olympus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 12/20/2004 22:29, "JP Kelly" <listuser(a)jpkvideo.net> wrote: >>>>> I have mailman 2.1.5 installed on OSX Panther with exim as the MTA. >>>>> When mailman attempts to send messages I get the following message >>>>> in >>>>> smtp-error log: >>>>> >>>>> Low level smtp error: (7, 'No address associated with nodename') >>> ms mailman is not contacting exim at all. >> >> That is what the error message is telling you. Mailman's >> connection via Python's smtplib is failing because it is not >> successfully looking up mailman.jpkvideo.net (which is how >> you've overridden the default for SMTPHOST in your mm_cfg.py). >> (Does 'telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25' from the Mailman machine >> actually succeed?) > > Yes it does: > telnet mailman.jpkvideo.net 25 > Trying 63.198.201.218... > Connected to adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > > I am testing this on a DSL static ip and the reverse lookup resolves to > adsl-63-198-201-218.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net. > could that be the problem? > You're making the telnet connection, but unless you left part of the "action" out, the mail server is not responding with the SMTP connection banner. So it appears you can reach the machine's port 25, but the SMTP server dislikes you enough to refuse even to begin to talk to you. It should look something like this: $telnet smtp.olympus.net 25 Trying 65.117.224.66... Connected to smtp.olympus.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 entiat.olympus.net ESMTP Exim 4.42 Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:49:48 -0800 C Where that 220 line is the "missing" banner (and the trailing " C" is an indicator we added to this instance of Exim). --John ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 17:06:56 -0800 From: "John W. Baxter" <jwblist(a)olympus.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Question on archives To: "<mailman-users(a)python.org>," <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <BDEF5A30.194EF%jwblist(a)olympus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" On 12/21/2004 17:03, "Mark Sapiro" <msapiro(a)value.net> wrote: > Enrique Vega wrote: >> >> Do you think there will ever be a browser based way to delete messages >> from the archives? Seems strange that this issue has not already been >> incorporated into mailman. > > When someone wants it enough to implement it and contribute it back to > the project, it will happen. Meanwhile, an archive represents history, so removing a message from the archive amounts to rewriting history. Nonetheless, list owners in at least England need to be able to do it, or run afoul of the enforcer of "take my personal information off your web site NOW" requests. The enforcer imposes big fines. --John ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:28:03 -0500 From: Thomas Waters <thomaswaters(a)mac.com> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists To: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <742A665F-5436-11D9-9B2F-000D93B1D150(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mailman 2.1.2 on OS X Panther Server I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists List1: PersonA PersonB PersonC List2 PersonD PersonE PersonF List3: PersonG PersonH PersonI List 4: List 1 List 2 (This would go to 6 people, 3 from 1 and 3 from 2) I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only member can post including members of sublists? Thx, -- Thomas Waters Director of Information and Communication Services University of Pittsburgh School of Pharmacy 412-383-7471 rxweb+(a)pitt.edu http://www.pharmacy.pitt.edu ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:22:38 -0600 From: Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] attachment To: "erik" <artisticminds(a)yahoo.com> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <p06200701bdefdc6546d8(a)[24.173.48.15]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 10:27 AM -0800 2004-12-21, erik wrote: > I was wondering if there is a way to remove the text attachment that comes > with any email to the mailing list? thanks! erik See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.039.htp>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:37:42 -0600 From: Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: "Bob Escher" <bescher(a)rsegroup.com> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <p06200704bdefdef6e08c(a)[24.173.48.15]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:55 AM -0600 2004-12-22, Bob Escher wrote: > I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change > the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is > for > I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I > would > like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber > might see) > to be the same as the web pages are. You may want to look at <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.047.htp>. > I found the documentation for MHonArc very lacking Mailman integrates pipermail for handling the archiving system, not MHonArc. If you're looking for documentation on MHonArc, you probably want to check out <http://www.mhonarc.org/>. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 18:57:44 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail list which is a collection of lists To: Thomas Waters <thomaswaters(a)mac.com>, mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <PC1730200412221857440656d6fa669c@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thomas Waters wrote: >I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists > <snip> > >I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages >sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as >post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only >member can post including members of sublists? See the FAQ >Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Article 3.5 for one way to work around this and also avoid duplicate messages to people who are members of more than one sub list. Also see http://starship.python.net/crew/jwt/mailman/#listinclusion for a patch that would allow you in your example to put '@list1' and '@list2' in accept_these_nonmembers for list4. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:07:08 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] missing archives and weird size question To: "david gordon" <davidg(a)goraich.co.uk>, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <PC1730200412221907080828ed451944@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 david gordon wrote: >Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself >(via Pipermail). > >On the website archive page <http://mydomain.tld/mailman/private/mylist/> >messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive >says it is 13MB. > >When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see >nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). > >But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files > >admin@myserver mylist.mbox]$ pwd >/usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private/mylist.mbox > >admin@myserver mylist.mbox]$ ls -lah >total 44M >drwxrwxr-x 2 mailman mailman 80 Dec 8 2002 . >drwxr-x--x 6 mailman mailman 160 Dec 8 2002 .. >-rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 44M Dec 22 13:54 mylist.mbox > >Clearly I don't do this enough to see the blindingly obvious mistake but... > >How come the archive is being written to today but I can only see file >from August 2003 on the website? > >Why does the website say the mailbox is 13MB but its really 44MB? > >How do I get out of this mess? I don't know if 2.0.13 has a bin/arch tool with the same function as the one in 2.1.x, but if it does, you could just try bin/arch --wipe mylist to rebuild the archive from mylist.mbox. It might work, but it might fail the same way that individual archiving has failed since August 2003. My guess is that there is something in mylist.mbox in the message following the last archived message from Aug 2003 that is causing the problem. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.003.htp If bin/arch doesn't fix it on it's own, you'll have to find the problem in mylist.mbox and "correct" that as explained in the FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:15:44 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Two Questions To: "Bob Escher" <bescher(a)rsegroup.com>, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <PC1730200412221915440093ed451689@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bob Escher wrote: > >I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change >the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is >for >I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I >would >like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber >might see) >to be the same as the web pages are. For those pages that have templates, see http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp For pages generated on the fly, there's no good solution that wouldn't involve extensive hacking of the Python code. >Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves >and customize those for each domain(If I can't customize each one that is OK >as well)as >long as the archieves are in HTML. I'm not sure I understand your question, but there are HTML templates for the various pipermail archive pages that can be modified per the above FAQ. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ End of Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 10, Issue 57 ********************************************* [View Less]

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Two Questions
by Bob Escher Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

Good Morning all I have two questions and both of them are probably where I can't find them. I am looking for the FAQ on how to be able to change the subscription page and other pages according to to the website that it is for I have 8 lists and 5 of them belong to different domains and website. I would like to customize each subscription page (and any other page a subscriber might see) to be the same as the web pages are. Where do I find out how to install the HTML feature for the Archieves … [View More]

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missing archives and weird size question
by david gordon Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

Using Mailman 2.0.13 my list doesn't appear to have been archiving itself (via Pipermail). On the website archive page <http://mydomain.tld/mailman/private/mylist/> messages stop in August 2003. The option to download the full raw archive says it is 13MB. When I use an FTP client (Fetch) to look at the files on the server I see nothing in /usr/local/home/mailman/archives/private (Linux flavoured server). But when I connect by command line over SSH I see files admin@myserver mylist.… [View More]

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Mail list which is a collection of lists
by Thomas Waters Dec. 22, 2004

Dec. 22, 2004

Mailman 2.1.2 on OS X Panther Server I'd like to make some mail lists which are collections of other lists List1: PersonA PersonB PersonC List2 PersonD PersonE PersonF List3: PersonG PersonH PersonI List 4: List 1 List 2 (This would go to 6 people, 3 from 1 and 3 from 2) I can set this up and have the mail go out OK, personA gets messages sent to list 4, but personA can't post to list 4- message gets held as post from non-member. Can these lists be made to work so that only member … [View More]

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