Mailman 3 July 2004 - Mailman-Users

Maintainer (Subset of Admin) Access to Web Interface
by Eric Martin July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

I have a list maintainer that is admittedly not very technical. He needs to be able to manage list membership, but gets confused (read: can cause damage) when presented with all the menu options on the admin web interface to MailMan. Is there a recommended way to control access to only a subset of the admin controls for certain users, say, who only want to see the Membership Management page without seeing the links to the other list configuration options? I know I can manually edit the python scripts, but I'm wondering if there isn't already a system in place to do this, or someone that's already done this. Thanks, -Eric

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mailman stopped working
by chao July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

Hi, All of the sudden our mailman has stopped working, and the following error message was found at /var/lib/mailman/logs. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to reslove this problem? Thanks! Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 282, in ? Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): kids = main(lock) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 252, in main Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): keepqueued = dispose_message(mlist, msg, msgdata) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/qrunner", line 157, in dispose_message Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): mlist.ParseMailCommands(msg) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailCommandHandler.py", line 151, in ParseMailCommands Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): splitsubj = string.split(subject) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/string.py", line 117, in split Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): return s.split(sep, maxsplit) Jul 06 11:42:00 2004 qrunner(30731): AttributeError : 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'split'

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root access?
by Ken Carlson July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

Hi, Mailman seems like exactly what I need... but I have a shared hosting account and I do not have root access. Is there any way to use mailman without root access? If not, can you recommend a similar program that would work in my situation? Thanks! Ken

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archive attachment - wrong URL
by Yoni July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

I'm having a problem with the attachment URL. It shows up as the default url instead of the virtual domain one - everything else appears to work fine. I traced this to the %(url)s variable in Scrubber.py. Does anyone know where this variable is defined?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web accessibility
by Brad Knowles July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

At 8:22 AM -0500 2004-07-06, Bohnenkamp, Daniel J wrote: > How do you make Mailman web pages accessible to the blind people Well, you can start with the W3C Web Accessibility Initiative pages, starting at <http://www.w3c.org/WAI/>. Going to the "Quick Tips" page at <http://www.w3c.org/WAI/References/QuickTips/>, you will note that most items have to do with things related to graphics and multimedia. However, Mailman doesn't really make use of much graphics, and what little it does use graphics for is primarily for some minimal decoration. Mailman doesn't use scripts, applets, or plug-ins, nor does it use frames, tables, graphs, or charts. About the only relevant tips are the ones regarding hypertext links (which I believe we're already conformant with), and page organization (which I think we do pretty good at, although I don't think we use CSS). You can also check the FAQs that they have. In my own experience, most visually challenged people use text-mode browsers, such as "lynx" or "links", or programs that operate in a similar fashion (perhaps Netscape on a 24" monitor with 96 point type and most advanced features turned off, like auto-loading graphics, javascript, java, etc...). The output from these text-mode browsers may be fed into text-to-speech synthesizers. If you want to get a good idea of how your website looks to a visually challenged person, try using the same methods. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles(a)skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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Web accessibility
by Bohnenkamp, Daniel J July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

How do you make Mailman web pages accessible to the blind people

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Headers and Footers - Need Help
by Mike Phillips July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

(Sorry if this post is a repeat. The first time I posted it, it never showed up on my computer.) I need to set up a mailing list with the following characteristics. I'm not sure if MailMan can handle it. 1. Email sent to list(a)domain.com. (no problem) 2. List sends emails to 55 recipients. (no problem) 3. Email contains name, city/state, and email address (no problem) 4. Outgoing emails have several paragraphs of text pre-entered (no problem), but 5. The last three lines of the outgoing message are the name, city/state, and email address. (problem) Is there a way to have a standard amount of text as a header such that the information contained in the incoming email is appended to the header and, in fact, appears as a footer? I have created the exact result I need except that the name, city/state, and email address appear at the head of the message, as it should. Help! Thanks, Mike

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Bouncing mails to sender?
by Yogesh Subhash Talekar July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

hi, I have seen that if a mail is sent to Mailman list and if some of the recipients are invalid then those mails bounce back to a address which is like "bounces-listname(a)mylistdomain.com"? Now this keeps the sender in the dark about who received the mail and who didn't! So is there anyway so that the sender can receive the note about which memebers of the list failed to get the mails? Or is it possible to send the bounced mail to the sender?? --yogesh ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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New mail server online...
by Brad Knowles July 6, 2004

July 6, 2004

Folks, It looks like the new mail server for python.org is now fully online. There may be a period of catch-up for a while. -- Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles(a)skynet.be> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See <http://www.sage.org/> for more info.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers
by Jon Carnes July 5, 2004

July 5, 2004

Even Cpanel should let Mailman dump out the user lists for you. There is a Mailman commandline that specifically does that (list_members). The command to dump out your configuration to text is config_list. Your admin can dump the config out, edit the fields that change (URL and default host names - the list name, if that changes) then simply create a list with the same name and upload the config file using config_list again. It's almost a "no brainer" once you read the help that comes with config_list. Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 23:16, Pastor Augie wrote: > Jon, > > thanks for your reply. I've passed along your message to my ISP - he's > pretty responsive... we'll see what he says. > > Unfortunately, we *do* use cPanel ... and this is NOT the first problem > we've had... funny you should mention that! Sometimes our messages get > stuck in queue and don't come out for days if at all. > > Anyway, I don't have command line access and am not even sure where the > files for mailman are. They don't appear to be in our user directory. If > you could tell me the name of the file to look for, I could direct the > sysadmin to look for it. > > But just double checking - there is no way to export email addresses and > names? Then it would be a simple matter to re-import them. > > Thanks for all your help! > > Augie. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Carnes [mailto:jonc@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 7:41 PM > To: pastor(a)SavingGraceLC.org > Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] changing ISP servers > > > On Mon, 2004-03-08 at 10:33, Pastor Augie wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have several mailman lists setup. Because of technical difficulties > > with our ISP's physical server, I am being required to migrate our > > entire website, including lists, to a new server (new IP and new > > name). My ISP contact tells me that when the mailman lists are moved > > to the new server they will need to be RECREATED FROM SCRATCH!! > > > > Is that the case? What is the most desirable way to migrate to a new > > server? Is there a simple export feature or some flat (or db) file I > > can export or something like that so I don't have to recreate the list > > by hand?? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Augie. > > > > Well, if they are using a straight version of Mailman then the answer is > false. It's very easy to move lists to a new server. > > It may be that they are actually using Cpanel (or will be using Cpanel). > This app does "who-knows-what" to Mailman. Actually we know a few > things it does, thanks to the many, many complaints we receive on a > regular basis from folks stuck using Cpanel. > > Even then, the movements of the lists can be relatively painless - if > they allow you command line access to dump out your list configurations > into text files. > > Good luck - Jon Carnes > > >

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