Mailman-Users May 2005

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227 discussions

Setting MIME as default for new Non-Digest subscribers
by Steve Reiter 31 Jul '11

31 Jul '11

Hi - I have searched FAQ and archives to find an answer. Hoping you can help. I have a new list (with previously imported addresses) for announcements only, and wish these announcements to be received immediately. I set the defaults to allow non-digest and to not allow digest. I wish to send out announcements in html, and so wish to make the default for new subscribers be MIME. While I see a setting under Digest Options (MIME_is_Default_Digest), I don't see any equivalent option under Non-Digest Options... and new subscribers continue to come in as plain text. QUESTIONS: In order to avoid having to manually change this option for each existing subscriber, is there a way to force all existing subscribers to receive MIME in Non-Digest mode? If not, is there a way to force all NEW subscribers to be enrolled with MIME as their default? Also, is there a way to "lock" the MIME switch on, so that users who try to change their option to plain text will be prevented from doing so? Thanks - Steve

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MSN and HotMail "Eating" Messages
by fshagan 24 May '07

24 May '07

Recently, my Mailman list users who use either a HotMail or MSN.COM email address have not received any messages. Mailman does not record a "bounce" from these email addresses, but they do not receive any of the list traffic. When trying to send a message to a Mailman list, the user gets the following error message: "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed." And it lists the Mailman list email address. However, Mailman does not receive a bounce message. (My server is not listed with SpamHaus.org, or any of the other blacklists, so it should not be a spam filter sort of thing). One user requested help from MSN, and they responded with: "You are experiencing this issue because your .Net Passport <user's email address here> Profile (which is extensively used for authentication purposes) is corrupted (not updated). In order to resolve this issue, I would suggest you to Update your .NET passport profile." They follow that with instructions to go to their MSN .NET Passport profile and re-type all the information by hand (not by cut and paste). Then a 15-step procedure is given to delete all cookies, history and temporary internet files and re-set the disk cache (space for files) to 10MB. They believe that will solve the problem but alas, it has not for the 4 users I have with MSN or HotMail email addresses. Anyone else run into this and resolved it? I didn't see anything in the archives. If any of you have users with MSN or HotMail addresses, be advised they probably will not be able to receive emails, but you will not get "bounce" messages. They only way they will know is if they try to post to a Mailman list.

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Membership Management And Other Problems.
by multimedia-fan＠myrealbox.com 21 Mar '06

21 Mar '06

Greetings, I cannot "Set everyone's moderation bit, including those members not currently visible" to on, in the membership management section in any list. I have set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = 1 In /Mailman/mm_cfgy.py But still have the same problem. Also I cannot set or unset digest for all users, any thing I overlooked? This was happening before the changes made in the next issue explained below. In the last couple of days we had to reconfigure reverse mapping in DNS for the server, and now the URLs that Mailman builds in the list admin and info pages are pointing to the old host name, is there a way of correcting this, without re-installing mailman from scratch? Any pointers, clues will be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your assistance.

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Exporting subscribers list
by Arlequín 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

Hello, there! I am using MailMain trough its web-based interface. I don't have access to the server where its runs, because it's a third-party hosting company which provides me the MailMan service. I want to export the subscribers list in a format like this: subscriber1(a)mydomain.com subscriber2(a)mydomain.com . . . . . . . subscriber9(a)mydomain.com I wasn't able to find the way to perform this operation, searching deeply into the options tree. Is it possible to obtain this kind of list? T.I.A. -- Arlequín _o) amahoro_AT_adinet_DOT_com_DOT_uy / \\ http://counter.li.org/ _(___V Linux Registered User #207262

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Mailman 2.1.5 and virtualdomains and/or subdomains
by Konrad Mauz 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Hi, I'm trying to setting up mailman and having trouble with virtualdomains and subdomains. I need a listing name schema of: xyz(a)a.fh-konstanz.de xyz(a)b.fh-konstanz.de xyz(a)c.fh-konstanz.de and so on. but I can only have "one" xyz list, since the domainname is not part of the "listname" My first workaround was: xyz(a)a.fh-konstanz.de is a-xyz(a)fh-konstanz.de and maps with sendmails virtusers and aliases database. Then I change the preferred hostname in the list configuration to a.fh-konstanz.de, but the sender adress is now a-xyz(a)a.fh-konstanz.de. Is there a better way to handle lists with equal names but different domain/subdomain names? With kind regards, Konrad -- Konrad Mauz Rechenzentrum Fachhochschule Braunegger-Strasse 55, D 78462 Konstanz e-mail: kmauz(a)fh-konstanz.de Tel.: +49(0)7531-206-472

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Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman
by Larry Stone 17 Jul '05

17 Jul '05

As requested by Brad, here is: Successful Panther (MacOS X 10.3) installation steps for Mailman This document best recalls my experience installing Mailman (2.1.4 but I assume this is equally valid for 2.1.5 which was current when this was written) on MacOS X 10.3 (Panther). It is largely based on Kathleen Webb's document on installing Mailman and Sendmail on MacOS X 10.2 (Jaguar) (<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2002-October/022944.html>) which contains some information on tools that can be useful that will not be repeated here. This guide assumes that you have Postfix (which comes with Panther) already configured and operating and that you are familiar with the Unix shell and basic text editing from the shell (vi or emacs). It is intended to help you get Mailman installed. It does not deal with actually using Mailman as there are pleny of other sources of help for that. My notes are incomplete so updates and corrections are welcome. Questions are best asked through the mailman mailing list. ======================================== Step 1) Collect all the things you need. a) You need to download and decompress the Mailman software. (The installation instructions are in step 3.) Download the software from: http://www.list.org/ b) You need to be an administrator of your computer. If you do not have administrator privileges, you will not be able to do this. c) Python comes pre-installed on your computer. It is already functioning and ready for use by Mailman. (To verify you have Python, open the Terminal application. at the % prompt, type: sudo Python -V and then hit the enter/return key. You'll be prompted for your password. When you enter it, the terminal will respond with the Python version. d) Apache web server software comes pre-installed on your computer and has already been configured and is running. e) Postfix is already installed on your computer but is not running by default. You will need to get Postfix configured and started but how to do that is beyond the scope of this document. f) You may need to know how to get into hidden subdirectories. In the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in the path to the hidden folder you need to open. g) You may need to know how to make a new user. You use the System Preferences application [from the Apple menu]. Use the Accounts panel in the System section. h) You need to know how to run the Net Info Manager application. [It is in the Utilities folder in the Applications folder.] You use this to create groups. i) You need to install the Developer Tools that came with your Panther disks or several of the steps won't work. ======================================== Step 2) Set up the user and group needed to run Mailman. I was surprised to find a mailman user already existed. I can only guess that is becuase mailman is included with Panther Server and the account "leaked" into the client version of Panther. Use Netinfo Manager (in Utilities inside Applications) to verify that it is using the following. If mailman does not yet exist, see Kathleen Webb's document to set it up. a) Open the Net Info Manager application. (It is located in the Utilities folder inside the Applications folder.) b) Click on groups in the second column. Click on mailman in the third column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "gid" with value 78. c) Click on users in the second column. Click on mailman in the third column. Verify that in the bottom window you see a property "uid" with value 78. Assuming all of the above is there, we're good to go. ======================================== Step 3) Create a folder for mailman in the finder. a) You can choose where to create the folder. I chose to make the mailman folder in the Applications folder. These instructions assume that is where you create the new folder. b) Copy the downloaded and uncompressed mailman-version (e.g. mailman-2.1.5) folder into the new mailman folder in the Applications folder. c) Click on the mailman folder and set the owner and group to mailman with the Show Info command. d) In the Terminal application, type: sudo chmod a+rw,g+ws /Applications/mailman e) Assuming the you are using the mailman-2.1.5 version, in the Terminal application type: cd /Applications/mailman/mailman-2.1.5 sudo ./configure --prefix=/Applications/mailman --with-cgi-gid=70 --with-mail-gid=78 (FYI: on my machine group 70 is www and group 78 is mailman) f) A whole bunch of lines of code will scroll through the Terminal window. When it finishes, in the Terminal window, type: sudo make install cd .. sudo bin/check_perms -f sudo bin/check_perms -f (Repeat the check_perms until no errors are reported. If you end up with problems later, this whole step is probably where the problem will come from. Permissions are important to Mailman.) ======================================== Step 4) Set up your web server to serve the Mailman web pages for subscribing and administrating the mailing list. a) From the Finder, use the Go menu and choose Go to Folder. Type in: /etc/httpd/ b) Select the httpd.conf file. Change its owner to you with Show Info. c) Open httpd.conf with a text editor. Alternatively, skip a and b and using Terminal, type sudo vi /etc/httpd.conf and edit the file with vi (or emacs if you know emacs). Add these lines to the file: ScriptAlias /mailman/ /Applications/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /Applications/mailman/archives/public/ <Directory "/Applications/mailman/archives/public"> Options FollowSymLinks </Directory> d) Save the file and close it. Change the owner back to System with the Show Info if you changed it in step b. e) In the Terminal application, type: sudo su cd /Applications/mailman/cron crontab crontab.in exit sudo /Applications/mailman/bin/mmsitepass xxxx [Replace xxxx with the password you want to use as the master password to the mailman application.] ======================================== Step 5) Configure Postfix to support a separate Mailman alias file. a) Edit your Postix configuration file (/etc/postfix/main.cf) and add: alias_maps=hash:/etc/postfix/aliases, hash:/Applications/Mailman/data/aliases b) Reload postfix with: sudo postfix reload ======================================== Step 6) Configure Mailman a) We need to let Mailman know we're using Postfix. Using you favorite means of text editing, open /Applications/Mailman/mailman mm_cfg.py and add below the line that says "# Put YOUR site-specific settings below this line.": MTA = "Postfix" ======================================== Step 7) Create your site-wide mailing list (mailman). Read the instructions in INSTALL in your mailman source directory (/Applications/Mailman/Mailman-2.1.5). In short, in the Terminal application, type: sudo su cd /Applications/mailman bin/newlist mailman bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman ======================================== Step 8) Configure your system to start Mailman when it is booted. a) Open Terminal and change directory to /Library/StartupItems: sudo su cd /Library/StartupItems b) Create the Mailman startup directory: mkdir Mailman c) Verify the directory ownership and permissions: ls -l You should see one of the lines saying something like: drwxr-xr-x 5 root admin 170 12 May 11:21 Mailman d) If the permissions (rwxr-xr-x) are not correct, type: chmod 755 Mailman e) If the owner (root) or group (admin) is not correct, type: chown root:admin Mailman f) Change directory to the Mailman subdirectory (you will now be in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman): cd Mailman g) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file Mailman (in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the following contents: #!/bin/sh . /etc/rc.common StartService () { if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then ConsoleMessage "Starting mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl -s start fi } StopService () { ConsoleMessage "Stopping mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl stop } RestartService () { if [ "${MAILMAN:=-NO-}" = "-YES-" ]; then ConsoleMessage "Restarting mailman service" cd /Applications/Mailman bin/mailmanctl restart else StopService fi } RunService "$1" h) Using your favorite method of text editing, create the file StartupParameters.plist (in /Library/StartupItems/Mailman) with the following contents: { Description = "Mailman mailing list server"; Provides = ("Mailman"); Requires = ("SMTP"); Uses = ("Network Time", "NFS"); Preference = "None"; Messages = { start = "Starting Mailman"; stop = "Stopping Mailman"; restart = "Reloading Mailman Configuration"; }; } i) Using you favorite method of text editing, open /etc/hostconfig and add the line: MAILMAN=-YES- j) Reboot (Restart) your system. When it finishes rebooting, Mailman should be running. To verify, open Terminal and type: ps -ax | grep python You should see a bunch of lines like this: 434 ?? Ss 0:00.04 python bin/mailmanctl -s start 443 ?? S 4:19.95 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 444 ?? S 4:08.58 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 445 ?? S 4:11.20 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 446 ?? S 4:06.93 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 447 ?? S 3:59.35 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 448 ?? S 4:16.59 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 449 ?? S 4:04.08 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 450 ?? S 0:00.85 /usr/bin/python /Applications/Mailman/bin/qrunner --r 16621 std R+ 0:00.00 grep -i python (The numbers will vary. The important thing is that you see the qrunner processes) ======================================== Step 9) Enjoy! At this point, mailman should be ready to use. Read the documentation in your source directory for instructions on setting up your mailing lists.

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Multiple Virtual domains Postfix+Mailman
by Dave Pisarek 13 Jun '05

13 Jun '05

I built a new list server and will be moving the lists from the old server to the new. My question is - How do I set it so the old lists i.e. listname(a)old.domain.com will also still work with the new server that would have a list address of listname(a)new.domain.com? I hope that makes sense. In other words if you have two different servers running two different virtual domains can they be combined on one server and not effect old customers ability to send to a list using the old virtual domain? Let me know if the above paragraphs make no sense and I will see if I can explain it better. -- -- Dave

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Outbound smtp email problems: (110, 'Connection timed out')
by Matt England 05 Jun '05

05 Jun '05

Hello, I'm having outbound email problems on my qmail-based server. I've had the outbound email working previously on this server, so I know it CAN work. I upgraded Mailman to 2.1.6rc4 since then. Here's some of the smtp-failures log: May 15 17:58:22 2005 (6656) Low level smtp error: (110, 'Connection timed out'), msgid: <6.1.2.0.2.20050515175456.0421ac40(a)pop.bizmail.yahoo.com> May 15 17:58:22 2005 (6656) Low level smtp error: please run connect() first, msgid: <6.1.2.0.2.20050515175456.0421ac40(a)pop.bizmail.yahoo.com> May 15 17:58:22 2005 (6656) delivery to mailman-admin(a)mengland.net failed with code -1: (110, 'Connection timed out') Outbound email from my /bin/mail command is working ok; I am running a virtual lists domain, however, not sure if that has anything to do with it. While I'm hunting down this bug I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on it for me. Thanks in advance, -Matt

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Listing bouncing addresses
by Nico 04 Jun '05

04 Jun '05

Hi, from a previous mail: On Tuesday 19 April 2005 04:59 pm, Michael Loftis wrote: > IS there any pre-built way of getting a list of users disabled for bouncing > for a given list (CLI or web...)? Or am I just going to have to throw > something together using withlist? bin/list_members --nomail=bybounce [listname] I did this on my list, but it does not give me the addresses with a bounce score > 0. How do I get a list of all the subscribers with a bounce score > 0 (and not de-activated)? Thanks Nico

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I am new to this mailing list
by Lars H. Andersen 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Although I have been administering a mailman mailing list for many years, I am new to this list. And there is a specific reason why I am here. Until now we haven't used the archive option but there is a desire on the list that we start doing so. How do people approach the archive? Nínúska ehf Lars H. Andersen Vesturgötu 24B IS-300 Akranesi sími/tel. +354 431 4539 www.aknet.is/~lars

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