Mailman 3 June 2005 - Mailman-Users

Bug report
by PeteBell 04 Jun '05

04 Jun '05

Hi. I have just gone live with my email list, and this is the first time anyone has reported a problem to me, so here it is for your comments. (First let me remind you that I do *not* have access to the Mailman installation, and I do *NOT* speak Python - apart from the "Monty" version!).... > I tried to subscribe using the 3-c.coop address, but it wouldn't > let me say I didn't want to receive the emails, so I clicked > cancel. Then I got this: > > "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.5p1 > > We're sorry, we hit a bug! > > If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a > copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description > of what happened. Thanks! > Traceback: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/scripts/driver", line > 87, in run_main > main() > File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", > line 114, in main > subscription_cancel(mlist, doc, cookie) > File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/confirm.py", > line 312, in subscription_cancel > userdesc = mlist.pend_confirm(cookie)[1] > File "/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/Mailman/Pending.py", > line 141, in pend_confirm > assert self.Locked() > AssertionError" > > > Python information: > > Variable Value > sys.version 2.2.2 (#1, Feb 24 2003, 19:13:11) [GCC 3.2.2 > 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-4)] > sys.executable /usr/bin/python2 > sys.prefix /usr > sys.exec_prefix /usr > sys.path /usr > sys.platform linux2 > > Environment variables: > > Variable Value > PATH_INFO /mactalk_mactalk.org.uk > HTTP_ACCEPT text/xml,application/xml,application/xhtml+xml,text/ > html;q=0.9,text/plain;q=0.8,image/png,*/*;q=0.5 > CONTENT_TYPE application/x-www-form-urlencoded > HTTP_REFERER http://mail.mactalk.org.uk/mailman/confirm/ > mactalk_mactalk.org.uk/569f32ae2206d89dc8eae730945a5241f2134ad6 > SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache > PYTHONPATH /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman > SCRIPT_FILENAME /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/cgi-bin/confirm > SERVER_ADMIN webmaster(a)securesitex.com > SCRIPT_NAME /mailman/confirm > REQUEST_METHOD POST > HTTP_HOST mail.mactalk.org.uk > HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE 300 > SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 > QUERY_STRING > REQUEST_URI /mailman/confirm/mactalk_mactalk.org.uk > CONTENT_LENGTH 128 > HTTP_ACCEPT_CHARSET ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 > HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; > en-US; rv:1.7.7) Gecko/20050414 Firefox/1.0.3 > HTTP_CONNECTION keep-alive > SERVER_NAME www.securesitex.com > REMOTE_PORT 50650 > REMOTE_ADDR 213.55.30.31 > HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us,en;q=0.5 > PATH_TRANSLATED /home/securesi/public_html/mactalk_mactalk.org.uk > SERVER_PORT 80 > GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 > HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip,deflate > SERVER_ADDR 69.56.243.90 > DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/securesi/public_html > What's all that about then?! TIA Pete

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how can moderators automatically subscribe users?
by Ricardo Kleemann 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hi, I know that via the web interface this is quite easy. However, I have a need to be able to subscribe users via email commands, without the user being subscribed getting a confirmation email. In other words, someone asks to be inserted into the list, and then an email is sent with the subscribe command in it. Is this possible? Ricardo

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Changing "From"-Header in mailman created posts
by Garvin Hicking 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hi! I want to use Mailman in a "posting-only" setup with a few hundred users. Setup so far with mailman 2.1.6 on a Debian-Exim System went smooth so far. What I want now is that only one single user is allowed to post to the list, all other users may only read what's posted. I can achieve this via setting all but one member to "moderated". This one member can then post to the list, and the list would use his email adress as the mailinglist adress. The problem with this is that every user can now send mails to the list by just faking the "From" Adress with that one posting user. The only way to bypass this seems to either: 1.) Enable global moderation. That is a bit cumbersome since I have to visit the admin panel each time I post a message. But then I can control that no other user abuses the mail adress to post. 2.) "Obfuscate" the posting user mail adress, so that users only see "mailman@host" instead of "userXYZ@host". Since nobody sees/knows this mail adress, this is fairly safe. However the drawback is that all mails are now sent with the mail adress of the list: "mailman@host". Now I want to use method 2) but I also want that the From: Field looks like: From: "My personal newsletter" <mailman@host> The problem is I cannot get a way to pass this "My personal newsletter" string into the headers. There seems to be no configuration directive for this field, and it is always autogenerated via "From: listname@hostname". Which core Python file would I need to hack to inject this descriptive string? Or is there some other way to set an explicit "From" adress, so that I can enter '"My Personal Newsletter" <mailman@host>' somewher in the interface? Many thanks in advance, Garvin. -- Garvin Hicking Web-Entwickler Faktor E Multimedia GmbH | www.faktor-e.de

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Backing up list settings
by Matthew Newton 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hi, In my system scripts, before I remove a list, I would like to backup the list including all settings and the mail archives. The machine is backed up every night, so this is "just in-case". Would the following be the right sort of thing? (To restore I guess I would create a list with the same name, stop Mailman, and then untar.) ---8<--- #! /bin/sh LIST=$1 BACKUP="/var/lib/mailman/lists/$LIST" BACKUP="$BACKUP /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/$LIST" BACKUP="$BACKUP /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/$LIST.mbox" if [ -e "/var/lib/mailman/archives/public/$LIST" ]; then BACKUP="$BACKUP /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/$LIST" fi tar zcvf - $BACKUP ---8<--- Usage something like: ./backup-script listname > list-backup.tar.gz Thanks Matthew -- Matthew Newton <mcn4(a)le.ac.uk> UNIX and e-mail Systems Administrator, Network Support Section, Computer Centre, University of Leicester, Leicester LE1 7RH, United Kingdom

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What Happened To The Message?
by Hunter Hillegas 03 Jun '05

03 Jun '05

Hello. I am running 2.1.5 on RHEL3 w/ Postfix. I posted to one of my lists. This list contains 265,000 members. It is an announce only list. I can see the mail server got the post: Jun 2 22:43:55 myhost postfix/local[31186]: D6C0D250778: to=<mylist(a)mail.myhost.com>, orig_to=<mylist(a)mail.myhost.com>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent ("|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post mylist") So, I go to look at Mailman's 'post' file and the last entry is from a few days back. Nothing related to this post at all. Also, nothing ever hit the archives. Is there something in between postfix getting/delivering the message and Mailman posting it? Could it still be churning on something? I don't see Python using hardly any CPU. How can I determine what happened? Thanks, Hunter

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spam checks before membership checks
by Colby Walsworth 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

I emailed this same question before and got the suggestion to upgrade to 2.1.6rc4. I have upgraded and it still seems to do the same thing. Emails that get marked by spamassassin are making through the filters and are getting moderated as non-member posts. So all our emails go throug spamassasin and get tagged with a certain line if they are spam. I have this filter on all our lists: header_filter_rules = [('X-NCEAS-Mercury-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam', 3, 0)] This is a header line that is in an email that made it through: X-NCEAS-Mercury-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SBL+XBL, SpamAssassin (score=1.897, required 3, HTML_40_50 0.09, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART 0.11, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID 1.70) Am I doing something wrong on the filtering? Why does it seem to moderate as non member before it does the header_filter_rule ? Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks, Colby -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Colby Walsworth System Administrator National Center for Ecological Analysis and Synthesis 735 State St., Suite 300 Santa Barbara, CA 93101-5504 phone: (805) 892-2507, fax: (805) 892-2510 email:walswort@nceas.ucsb.edu http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/~walswort =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today. --James Dean

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short question, probably an FAQ that I've overlooked.
by Joshua Nichols 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

When I send a message to a Mailman list with 100 members, does Mailman inject one message with 100 addresses BCC'd, or 100 messages with one address BCC'd? Thanks, --joshua. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Joshua Nichols jnichols(a)stimson.org Director of Information Systems http://www.stimson.org The Henry L. Stimson Center - 11 Dupont Circle, Washington, D.C. 20036

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Template Editing
by Bonnie Lungren＠WEI 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

I have not been able to find a way to get to the templates to edit them, particularly the first subscription confirmation notice. It includes our IP address in the first paragraph and I want to change that to our company name. We are at http://mail.weilists.org <http://mail.weilists.org/> etc etc Please be specific on how to get to the templates. I am a newbee, and a generic answer will not help at all. Thank you for your help. Bonnie Lungren

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I am new to this mailing list
by Lars H. Andersen 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Although I have been administering a mailman mailing list for many years, I am new to this list. And there is a specific reason why I am here. Until now we haven't used the archive option but there is a desire on the list that we start doing so. How do people approach the archive? Nínúska ehf Lars H. Andersen Vesturgötu 24B IS-300 Akranesi sími/tel. +354 431 4539 www.aknet.is/~lars

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Re: [Mailman-Users] short question, probably an FAQ that I've overlooked.
by Joshua Nichols 02 Jun '05

02 Jun '05

Brad Knowles wrote: >> When I send a message to a Mailman list with 100 members, does >> Mailman inject one message with 100 addresses BCC'd, or 100 >> messages with one address BCC'd? > > Proper mailing list management systems don't use > blind-carbon-copies. The equivalent that they do use is to list > multiple envelope recipients, whose addresses are not necessarily > referred to on the "To:" or "Cc:" headers. I didn't realize Mailman integrated with the MTA enough to do it that way. Thanks. > However, it depends on how the mailing list software is > configured. If personalization is enabled, then it will send out > individual messages to each and every subscriber. If personalization > is not enabled, it will send the messages out in small batches, as > controlled by your site-wide configuration. Does this mean that I configure how many recipients in each injection? For example, I could set it to a high enough number that only a single message was injected, or break up a distribution list into 10ish emails, or whatever? Thanks for your response, --joshua.

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