Mailman 3 November 2006 - Mailman-Users

Duplicate attachements saved in archive directory?
by Xueshan Feng 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

Hello, We are running mailman 2.1.8. List's attachments seemed saved twice with different names in archives directory. For example, one is "attachement.pdf", another one "attachment-0001.pdf". The latter is the one used in the URL that replaces the attachement in the oringal email. I thought this might have to do with email client, but I tested with Mac MailApp and Linux Firfox, same behavior. Any idea what caused this? Thanks! Xueshan -- ------------------------------ Xueshan Feng (aka. Susan Feng) Shared Services, ITSS Stanford University, CA 94305-3090 255 Panama St. Room 157, Polya Hall Stanford University Stanford, CA 94305-4136

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OutgoingRunner hangs and messages not delivered to mail lists
by João Sá Marta 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

Greetings, I have a problem with all of the mailing lists in our server. Every day the qfiles/out directory gets hundreds of *.pck files not posted to the mailing lists. Manually, one can stop the master qrunner through mailmanctl stop and start it again using mailmanctl start . But every time I ve done that theres a lock and I manually removed the locks and issued the mailmanctl start . That worked . But , analysing the processes on the system I have noticed that are several OutgoingRunner s , and the only way to get the messages posted to the mailing lists is killing those processes. All the archives works well that is: the messages are archived but not posted I know that the archiving process is separated from posting. Its quite unusual because its the first time (3 weeks ago) this is happening after several years of using mailman. I am managing about a hundred of mailing lists with thousands of users. I am using: Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 4 Python 2.3.4 mailman 2.1.9 sendmail-8.13.1-2 Ive searched through the mailman FAQs and Ive not found any clue. I made a shell script in order to minimize the problem when I am on weekends and have inserted on the cron (running every 10 minutes): #!/bin/sh /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop ps auxwf|grep python ps ax |grep python|grep -v grep|gawk -F " " '{print $1;system("kill -9 "$1)}' /home/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start I would appreciate any help on this issue, Joao Sa Marta ===============================|=================================== = Joao Sa Marta | Email: samarta(a)ci.uc.pt <BLOCKED::mailto:samarta@ci.uc.pt> = = Centro de Informatica | Tel: 239 853178 (directo) = = da Universidade de | Tel: 239 853170 (Geral) = = Coimbra | Fax: 239 853189 = = Apartado 3080 | http://www.uc.pt/pessoal/samarta = = 3001-401 Coimbra | = ===============================|===================================

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How does mailman/mail/wrapper get created?
by Jon Ferraiolo 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

I am working with my ISP to get Mailman installed on a private domain. I believe we have followed all of the Mailman setup instructions correctly. We are at the point where we mail lists with subscribers. However, when attempted to send email to one of the lists (e.g., foo(a)bar.com), we are now getting an error message that says: sh: line 1: /home/bar/mailman/mail/wrapper: No such file or directory Looking at my installation, there is no mail/main/wrapper file. Should there be one? Should it have been created by "make install" or is this something that needs to be created manually? Thanks. Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai(a)us.ibm.com>

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Interesting Goings ons...
by Adam Morehead 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

We have mailman setup on our server... Everything is working fine except one thing, all the approved emails are going to the recipients, all denied are getting denied.. only one thing is bugging me... if theres a pending request, we used to get a email letting us know that we have email waiting for approval.. its not happening anymore. I went through aliases and made sure it is 'mailman' not 'wrappers' (Since we used to have the older version. made sure that the aliases file is being called. and even the email addy is in the admin and moderator spot on the webform... what am I missing? Please let it be simple? lol. Adam

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Unexpected Listname When Creating New List
by Jon Forrest 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

(Mailman 2.1.9 Fedora 5) newlist --help says: "Note that listnames are forced to lowercase". That doesn't seem to be true. I just ran bin/newlist test but my listinfo web page shows this as "Test". It also shows up as "Test" in the General Options web page. If I look at the "Details for real name" information, it says: "Email addresses are not case sensitive..." I learned in Email 101 that this is not true on the left side of "@" signs. Was my teacher playing a cruel joke on me? In any case, I can change "Test" to "test" and all appears well. What's a mother to do? Cordially, -- Jon Forrest forrest(a)ce.berkeley.edu Computer Resources Manager Civil and Environmental Engineering Dept. 305 Davis Hall Univ. of Calif., Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720-1710 510-642-0904

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List Creation via web UI
by Odhiambo Washington 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

I am trying, for the 1st time in my life with Mailman, to create a list via the web UI. I have read all the available doco, and I believe that I have configured my setup properly. `check_perms -f` says no error found, yet when I try to create a list, the web UI says: "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.9 \ We're sorry, we hit a bug! \ Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs" Well the error itself from $Mailman_Home/logs/error is: Nov 02 19:07:39 2006 admin(69413): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(69413): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.9 -----] admin(69413): [----- Traceback ------] admin(69413): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101, in run_main admin(69413): main() admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 56, in main admin(69413): process_request(doc, cgidata) admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py", line 190, in process_request admin(69413): mlist.Create(listname, owner, pw, langs, emailhost) admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 493, in Create admin(69413): self.InitVars(name, admin, crypted_password) admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 404, in InitVars admin(69413): baseclass.InitVars(self) admin(69413): File "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 96, in InitVars admin(69413): os.mkdir(self.archive_dir()+'.mbox', 02775) admin(69413): OSError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/potopoto.mbox' admin(69413): [----- Python Information -----] So I am just wondering, why else should this happen? cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post

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Upgrade to mailman-2.1.9
by Odhiambo Washington 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

Hi, I have finally decided to upgrade from 2.1.5 -> 2.1.9, but I am being hesitant because in 2.1.5, there was a patch to integrate spam filtering into Mailman using SpamAssassin. What are my options once I go to 2.1.9? cheers - wash +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Odhiambo Washington . WANANCHI ONLINE LTD (Nairobi, KE) | wash () WANANCHI ! com . 1ere Etage, Loita Hse, Loita St., | GSM: (+254) 722 743 223 . # 10286, 00100 NAIROBI | GSM: (+254) 733 744 121 . (+254) 020 313 985 - 9 | +---------------------------------+------------------------------------------+ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post

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Re: [Mailman-Users] reviving broken mailman ???
by Patrick Bogen 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

On 10/31/06, Dr. Scott S. Jones <scott(a)fyrenice.com> wrote: > Broken, in that it won't send out through my MTA, which in my case is Exim4, > or in another who's had trouble with mailman on debian, through Postfix. It > seems that when he moved his data files, and purged mailman and then > reinstalled it. He claims it works now.... Well, my point was, if your mailman is broken because something is wrong with your list config files, keeping the list config files and reinstalling everything else won't help anything. :) > My question then is which files does one move out of the way of the wrecking > ball, a la apt-get --purge mailman etc.... so that one doesn't have to > recreate the list after reinstallation? If you aren't concerned about list archives, I believe you only need the files in (on Debian) /var/lib/mailman/lists/* Each list should have its own directory, with a config.pck, possibly config.pck.last, and (possibly?) a request.pck. Archives are in /var/lib/mailman/archives; they can be regenerated from some subset of the files in this hierarchy (I believe its those under listname.mbox/), but I'm not sure if that's all that's required. If you can read bash script, FAQ 4.18 <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.018.htp> might help you figure all this out. P.s., Please CC the list on all replies, so that more well-versed folk can chime in when I might not know the answer. -- - Patrick Bogen

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List Doesn't Appear on Admin Page nor Listinfo Page
by Barry Finkel 01 Nov '06

01 Nov '06

I am testing Mailman on Ubuntu. I created the site list. Then I created a test list vm6mmtestlist1. I do not remember how I created it, but I think it was via the web. I had a problem with the Mailman configuration because I am using a virtual machine under Ubuntu, and I was confused as to the name I should use in the mm_cfg.py file - the name of the virtual machine or the name of the host machine. I corrected the config to point to the name of the virtual machine. I created a second test list vm6mmtestlist2. There was nothing in the aliases file for Postfix, so I corrected the problem and ran bin/genaliases That command generated the aliases for all three lists. When I go to the web, the admin page and the Lists Overview pages contain Mailman vm6mmtestlist2 The vm6mmtestlist1 list does not appear, and I do not know why. The list has Privacy options... Advertised Yes and I believe that there are no config differences between lists 1 and 2 except for Sender filters in list2. I assume that it was due to a misconfiguration when the list was created (that is why I created list2), but I cannot determine how to make the test list appear in these two web pages. I have looked at FAQ 4.62 and 4.17, but neither seems to have a resolution to my problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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Emails Not Being Delivered to All on List
by Bruce E. Breeding 31 Oct '06

31 Oct '06

Symptom: some list recipients are not receiving their emails from the list [Four resulting questions below] In attempting to determine WHY the above symptom is occurring, I contacted my web service provider. We're getting to know each other well due to frequency of communication. ;) He seems to be trying hard to help me out. Here is his latest helpful hint: **** Web service provider's suggestions start here ... "I happened to catch some of your mailing lists trying to deliver a little while ago and caught an example of why you sometimes have problems. This is a good example of a list doing a partial delivery because it stalls at a bad address which causes delays etc for other addresses that are on the same list and this particular address you have on for lists currently unable to finish delivery....................... Getting MX record for <domainname>.org (from local DNS server, may be cached)... Received a SERVER FAILURE response. This should be treated as an ERROR (per RFC974), and the E-mail delivery should PROBABLY be retried later. Here is what has been delivered so far, anything with a "Y" has been delivered, anything without is stalled because of the bad email address which doesn't allow the mailserver to continue. <and here, he inserted a list of email addresses from the list, each prefaced with either YY, YN, NY, or NN> <I presume he's getting this from (hopefully appropriate) log.> <He even suggested I check email addresses at http://www.dnsreport.com (which I have, although I had already checked one by one to be sure the addresses were correctly entered. I have most of them in a contact list and so there was little doubt in my mind of their accuracy.)> **** Web service provider's suggestions end here ... So, my Question(1): Is it normal to expect a substantial amount of non-delivery to valid email addresses? I would presume, "No." But, in case I'm really missing the obvious, here, please enlighten me. Question (2): Is it normal for Mailman to "stall", or "stop" processing the rest of a list because of one bad email? (I'm asking that somewhat rhetorically, expecting an emphatic "NO" answer.) Question (3): Please explain the YY, YN, NY, and NN indicators [preceding the email addresses] from the above referenced log. I understand that YY means the email was delivered to the recipient, and NN means the email was NOT delivered to the recipient. But, YN and NY? maybe yes, maybe no? Question (4): Do you have further suggestions as to troubleshooting the reason that some of these addresses did not receive the email? Are there specific places (other logs in mailman) I should ask him to look that could give further information? Thank you for you help. Bruce

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