Mailman 3 April 2006 - Mailman-Users

Sender field
by Neal Groothuis 08 May '06

08 May '06

To reopen an old discussion: I would like to request that a feature be added in the next version of Mailman to allow a list administrator to disable rewriting of the "Sender:" header, or (better) for this behavior to be eliminated from Mailman altogether. Rationale: - Outlook treats the Sender field as a person sending on behalf of another. This seems to me to be a reasonable interpretation of the Sender field, per RFC 2822 3.6.2. When a "bounces" address is included in the sender field, Outlook displays something along the lines of "From listname-bounces+jim=reader.domain.com(a)mailman.server.com On behalf of fred(a)poster.domain.com". (See Mailman FAQ entry 2.3). This is undesirable. - Thunderbird also displays the sender field, which presents similar confusion. - Useful information (the original content of the Sender: header) is lost by doing this. - Bounces go to the envelope sender or Return-Path: header, not the Sender: header, so this is not necessary for proper bounce handling. - Again from RFC 2822 3.6.2, the Sender: header should contain the address of the agent responsible for transmitting the message, meaning that a person who sends mail to the address in that header should expect to reach said agent, not suggest to Mailman that a message bounced. - Information regarding interacting with the list is provided by the List-* headers; including it in the Sender: field is unnecessary. Removing this (IMO) unwanted functionality is trivial: diff -ru mailman-2.1.5.orig/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py mailman-2.1.5/Mailman /Handlers/SMTPDirect.py --- mailman-2.1.5.orig/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py 2004-01-22 17:02:07.0000 00000 -0600 +++ mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Handlers/SMTPDirect.py 2006-04-26 13:48:45.0000 00000 -0500 @@ -348,9 +348,9 @@ # the Sender header at all. Brad Knowles points out that MTAs tend to # wipe existing Return-Path headers, and old MTAs may still honor # Errors-To while new ones will at worst ignore the header. - del msg['sender'] + # del msg['sender'] del msg['errors-to'] - msg['Sender'] = envsender + # msg['Sender'] = envsender msg['Errors-To'] = envsender # Get the plain, flattened text of the message, sans unixfrom msgtext = msg.as_string()

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virtual domains and processes
by Craig Pettersen 05 May '06

05 May '06

Hi, I really like mailman's features but I have a couple questions about virtual domains and mailman. I read that to have unique list names accross domains it's necessary to have separate installations for each domain. We run email for around 600 domains. Not all have lists but even if we had only 100 we would have 800 qrunner processes running. What kind of resources will all those processes use? Is there any way around this problem? Is there anyone out there with experience with virtual domains that could point me in the right direction? Thanks!

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List config files
by Tom Kavanaugh 04 May '06

04 May '06

Hi, I am setting up a bunch of mail lists on mailman 2.1.7 running on RedHat Ent Linux ver 3. For the most part, these lists have the same custom config. They are all private lists, non-members can subscribe to the list, etc. I would like to know where these individual mail list config files are stored. So I can just copy them over for the new lists. Thanks Tom

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Mailing list protection
by Alan 03 May '06

03 May '06

Hi, Is there a way to protect the list in a way that ONLY admin can send mails to the list. Maybe with password in Subject or in some other way. Regards Alan

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Missing Unsubscription Requests
by Edward Muller 02 May '06

02 May '06

I am hosting a list (running on 2.1.7) that is missing unsubscription requests on the 'admindb' page. The list is configured to have moderated unsubscription requests, so people don't have to confirm their unsubscriptions, which seems to cause a lot of problems. I know the unsubscription request was made because: a) they show up in the 'vette' log b) Some people are sending angry emails to the return address of the list. But those people are still on the list, the list admin (who I know personally) has told me they haven't discarded them, and the unsubscription requests don't show up on the 'admindb' page. I don't mean that all unsubscription requests don't show up, some do. I've looked over the error logs, which do have some errors, but nothing related to unsubscription requests. Any help in debugging this? -- Edward Muller Interlix, LLC

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
by Brad Knowles 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

At 7:48 PM -0700 2006-04-29, Allan Hansen wrote: > I agree that the Server Admin interface for Mailman is limited and > too buggy to be of serious use. It can, however, allow someone new to the > OS set up Mailman lists with not much ado, which was the situation at > hand, Brad. Installing Mailman and other attendant server tools (in > particular) is not, I believe a newbie's best path. Solutions should > be tailored to the problems presented. The problem is that there are known security holes and other problems with the old version that Apple uses as part of their customized package, and you can't install the recent binaries on top of the old ones and get the Apple custom management GUI with the latest code. Either you use the Apple custom management GUI with the Apple-modified versions of the old code, or you use the new code (with the new features and the security fixes) with the standard Mailman web or CLI management interface. So, pick what is important for you -- do you want something secure where you can get support from all our resources (including this list), or do you want something that is easier to manage, but for which your only support options are to pay Apple and wait for them to get back to you at some point in the distant future? Keep in mind that Apple is well-known for blowing off their Server customers. They even blow off their own internal Apple employees who would like to use Server for their applications. One of the world's largest Mailman installations runs on MacOS X Server machines, but they don't use the Server version of Mailman. And they don't depend on getting support from the Server team. They treat it as any other Linux or Unix-like OS that they support themselves, where Mailman is installed from our source tarballs. -- Brad Knowles, <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org> "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See <http://www.lopsa.org/>.

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Recompiling question.
by William D. Tallman 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

Is there a canonical method of recompiling Mailman without losing all the entries and data? Thanks, Bill Tallman

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30 Apr '06

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
by Celes Victoria 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error install MM on MAC OS x
by Allan Hansen 30 Apr '06

30 Apr '06

At 21:07 -0500 4/29/06, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 4:24 PM -0700 2006-04-29, Allan Hansen wrote: > >> May I suggest that you get hold of >> Mac OS X Server and install that on you server instead. It comes >> with Mailman already installed and ready to go. It has a lot of other >> tools pre-installed that will be very useful to you. The Mac is >> a great platform for servers. > > Using MacOS X Server is not necessarily the best idea if using >Mailman is your goal. See ><http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.021.htp> >for more information, especially the links at the end. > > It appears that most people who want to use Mailman on MacOS X >Server end up ripping out the Apple-supplied custom version and >instead installing the standard version from our tarballs. If you're >going to go that route, you might as well do that on MacOS X Client >as opposed to spending lots of extra money for MacOS X Server. I agree that the Server Admin interface for Mailman is limited and too buggy to be of serious use. It can, however, allow someone new to the OS set up Mailman lists with not much ado, which was the situation at hand, Brad. Installing Mailman and other attendant server tools (in particular) is not, I believe a newbie's best path. Solutions should be tailored to the problems presented. Once Mailman is up and running, the administrator should, of course switch to web/command line tools. I have (so far) been successful setting up a workable system that allows my moderators to subscribe and unsubscribe and set member options. I run some close to 40 lists - granted not many but plenty to handle anyway. The server, lastly, does not cost lots of extra money for what you get. It's well worth it if you don't plan to be a full-time administrator. Allan -- _________________________________________________________________ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | | P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home: | | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: allan.hansen(a)ugs.com allan(a)hansen-family.us | | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.hansen-family.us/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- _________________________________________________________________ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | | P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home: | | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: allan.hansen(a)ugs.com hansen(a)rc.org | | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_|

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