Mailman 3 May 2006 - Mailman-Users

Archived Messages Not Saved
by Charles J. Hargrove 27 May '06

27 May '06

I recently had to rebuild my server after a long run of 6 years. The drive that contained the Mailman archives, mailing lists, member records, etc was mounted as the secondary drive so that I would not lose the info. The server was rebuilt with Fedora Core 5 and the latest versions of the rest of the software (Mailman, Sendmail, Postfix, Squirrelmail, etc). Everything is working now as far as the mailing lists and membership records. However, none of the messages are being archived, evethough the flags on the admin page are set to allow archiving. Any ideas where I should be looking to correct this problem. Thanks in advance. -- Charles J. Hargrove - N2NOV NYC ARECS/RACES Citywide Radio Officer/Skywarn Coord. US Coast Guard Auxiliary Flotilla 5-10 Comms Officer NYC-ARECS/RACES Net Mon. @ 8:30PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.nyc-arecs.org and http://www.nyc-races.org NYDXA SWL & Scanner Net Wed. @ 9PM 147.360/107.2 PL http://www.n2nov.net "Information is the oxygen of the modern age. It seeps through the walls topped by barbed wire, it wafts across the electrified borders." - Ronald Reagan

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follow up: help request: new 1300 member list results inmostly bounces
by Nathan 26 May '06

26 May '06

After getting some advice from the list - specifically Mark - last week, I asked the hosting provider if there was in fact some limit on outgoing mail, or some other setting on their end which might be causing the bounces I'm getting. (see previous post for details, but basically, I set up a new mailman list with around 1300 subscribers and as best I could tell - without going through ALL of them one by one - most bounced. I did sample 30 addresses, of which 29 bounced). Below is the response from the host. They seem to feel it's all on the recipient's end. Does this make sense? or is it passing the buck? They suggest sending out 10-15 emails at a time - is there a way to set mailman up to do this? (and would there be a point?) Thanks again for your help. Nathan > There is really no cap as to how many emails you can send out. > However, the more you send out at one time the more likelly they are > to bounce. It has nothing to do with Globaltap, it has alot to do with > the servers that are recieving the email. There is a marker in the > email that marks it as bulk. Most servers including Globaltaps often > rejects those emails to protect their/our customers from spam. Comcast > and aol also do the same thing. For the most part most mail servers > use the same filters and black lists. So the more mail you send out at > one time the more likelly that most of them will get rejected by > recieving server and bounce. It also creates a possiblity that an > entire ip block will get black listed. Which means that ALL your mail > will get rejected, but also ALL other of our customers on the same ip > block as you will get black listed as well. > I'm sure you have a valid subscriber list, but the recieving server > has no way of knowing that. For all they know you're just another guy > peddling viagra. OK, there are options. 1. You can set up to send out > no more then 10-15 emails at a time. 2. There is an organization that > can certify your email as not spam. The ceritification is inserted in > to the header of your email and then the bulk delivery should get > accepted by most other servers, but still not all. And the > cerification isn't free. > > Most hosting services frown on people who send out large bulk emails. > It tends to cause problems for other customers and it takes alot of > time to clean up the mess plus explain to other customers why they are > not able to send mail for upto a week. > In those cases you could be held liable for the "clean up" and loss of > revenue. >

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Missing headers of postings
by Roland Studer 26 May '06

26 May '06

Hi there Suddenly postings on our Mailman (2.1.5) list are missing headers, the mails sometimes arrive without any Information about the sender or the subject. The headers From and Reply-to and Subject are missing. In addition I wanted to send a HTML-Email with an attachment: It wasn't displayed correctly, the display of the mail began with the following. --===============0751753693== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-691538562 What could cause this, what can I do about it? Below is the beginning of the original Mail including headers. Thanks a lot for your help! Roland X-Gmail-Received: 27ac530151bc134384510d30f1d7492a37200011 Delivered-To: roland.studer(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.70.60.15 with SMTP id i15cs679375wxa; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.57.4 with SMTP id j4mr198736nfk; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <fachschaft-bounces(a)devzone.ch> Received: from zion.devzone.ch (zion.devzone.ch [193.138.215.50]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si500890nfa.2006.05.26.06.30.40; Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (gmail.com: best guess record for domain of fachschaft-bounces(a)devzone.ch designates 193.138.215.50 as permitted sender) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <44770301.1714ba69.2db1.ffffc6b8SMTPIN_ADDED(a)mx.gmail.com> X-devzone-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-devzone-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-devzone-MailScanner-From: fachschaft-bounces(a)devzone.ch --===============0751753693== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-691538562 --Apple-Mail-1-691538562 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Missing headers of postings
by Mark Sapiro 26 May '06

26 May '06

Roland Studer wrote: > >Itis really strange, actually sometimes I got the posting with correct >headers, while others got the very same posting without those headers. In that case, this almost certainly has to be something occurring after Mailman has sent the message to the outgoing MTA, either in the outgoing MTA or further out in the delivery. I don't see how it could be a Mailman problem. >Now >this time I got the mail without headers, I haven't heard yet, if others got >it the right way. > >So it's only happening for a part of the subscribers and not always for the >same ones. This is really puzzling. Yes it is. All I can suggest is to look at the Received: headers of the posts and try to determine if there is something involved in delivery of only the 'bad' posts. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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easy question on python regular expressions
by Steve Lindemann 26 May '06

26 May '06

On the *Privacy options->Sender filters* admin page there is a non-member filter to *accept_these_nonmembers*. I would like to use a regular expression to accept all email from a particular domain. ex: *(a)any.com Apparently I don't understand python regular expressions very well. Everything I try simply gets ignored when I submit the page. Can someone out there *show* me what I need to use to accomplish the task. Thanks! -- Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards & M$ attachments email: mailto:steve@marmot.org voice: +1.970.242.3331 ext 16 fax: +1.970.245.7854

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automatic deletion of posts by non-members of a list
by Christopher Adams 26 May '06

26 May '06

On 5/26/06, Christopher Adams <adamsca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree in part. My site hosts over 500 lists and has about 100,000 > subscribers. By default, all new lists are set to Reject messages from > "non-members" and sends them a message indicating that either their address > has changed, they are sending from a different account, or they really > aren't a member. Normally, I would think that simply discarding messages > from "non-members" would be the best tactic. However, there were some > situations with management on my own staff where a list owner subscribed an > email address alias for someone in management. Since the alias was not the > actual address that they were sending from, the message was discarded > without any alert to the sender, so she assumed it was sent. > > On occasion, when I know there are problems with address aliases, I just > add the non-subscribed alias as a non-member that can post, or as a > subscriber set to 'no mail'. But, for so many lists and subscribers, there > is the potential for problems with other lists. So, I set the default, let > the list owners modify it if they like, and deal with the bandwidth issue > and the fact that the system is actually making a contact with the address, > many which are forged. > > > On 5/25/06, Peter C.S. Adams <peter.adams(a)umb.edu> wrote: > > > > Thus spake Brad Knowles <brad(a)stop.mail-abuse.org>, circa 5/25/2006 9:54 > > AM: > > > Generally speaking, the recommended solution is to automatically > > > reject such messages -- which informs the sender, and allows them to > > > take appropriate action. > > > > In the old days, this was certainly true, but today, when 70-80% of all > > emails on the internet are spam, you may easily find that rejecting all > > those messages will (a) eat up a lot of your internet bandwidth, and (b) > > > > exacerbate the problem by telling the "sender" of the message -- which > > will, > > 90% of the time, be a forged address -- that "their" mail was rejected. > > > > I have a handful of lists set to "reject," but most are set to discard. > > In > > my opinion, the poster should be subscribed to the list and set to > > receive > > mail; otherwise they should have no expectation that their message was > > distributed. > > > > peter > > > > -- > > Peter C.S. Adams > > Director of Information and Communication Technologies > > College of Public and Community Service, UMass Boston > > "Be civil to all; sociable to many; familiar with few; friend to one; > > enemy to none." -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Mailman-Users mailing list > > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > > Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py > > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > > > > Unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/adamsca%40gmail.com > > > > Security Policy: > > http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp> > > > > > > -- > Christopher Adams > adamsca(a)gmail.com > -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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Getting notifications for admin requests that don'e exist
by Rob Tanner 26 May '06

26 May '06

Hi, I have at l;east one list owner (only one list owner has complained anyway) who is regularly getting email from Mailman with the subject "19 Small_centers admin request(s) waiting". When he clicks on the link, the page displays "There are no pending requests. Click here to reload this page". I'm presuming that the web page is correct and the email wrong (but I'm not sure). Other than the web interface, how can I determine if there are, in fact, admin requests waiting. And if there aren't what would be causing the email message to get repeatedly generated. Thanks, Rob -- Rob Tanner UNIX Services Manager Linfield College, McMinnville OR

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Making "set delivery off" default for new users
by Tom Wolfe 26 May '06

26 May '06

Hello -- I imagine this is a strange request, but I'm wondering if it is possible to set the options of a new member with default of "set delivery off"? E.g., if they are subscribing by email, would something like the following be possible: To: list-request(a)domain.com From: myemail(a)address.com Subject: subscribe set delivery off .... I tried it, and naturally it didn't work. But is something like this possible? I'm making a list that will have an easy-to use web interface to access list archives, with mailman as the backend--but don't want people to get email from the list unless they abosultely want it; yet I want only subscribers to be able to post... Thanks, Tom Wolfe

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bounces are not disabling accounts
by Steve Quezadas 26 May '06

26 May '06

I set "bounce processing" to "on" so that mailman will disable email accounts if they receive just once bounce. However, mailman is not disabling the accounts! Here are the logs from /var/log/mailman/ to show that it DOES "know" about the mail bounce: May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) <BounceRunner at -1211098548> processing 1 queued bounces May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) isolation-list: john2(a)tripperjones.com bounce score: 1.0 May 25 11:58:09 2006 (2184) sending isolation-list list probe to: john2(a)tripperjones.com (score 1.0 >= 0.9) But shouldn't it automatically disable the account? And should it tell me, the administrator of the bounce? I set all the notifications message options to "yes". Also, the settings I set in bounce processing seem to be correct: * Should Mailman perform automatic bounce processing? -> yes * The maximum member bounce score before the member's subscription is disabled -> .9 * The number of days after which a member's bounce information is discarded, if no new bounces have been received in the interim -> 7 * How many Your Membership Is Disabled warnings a disabled member should get -> 0 * The number of days between sending the Your Membership Is Disabled warnings -> 7 The settings seem allright to me, but I see no change in the "Membership list" section. I checked google, the maillists, and the FAQs, but I cannot find the answer to this one, so I'm hoping someone in maillist-land can help me. - Steve

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When cloning a member clone_member
by Terry Poperszky 26 May '06

26 May '06

Mailman 2.14 SLES 9 The new address retains the name information of the address that was cloned. Anyone have a solution? Terry

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