Mailman 3 August 2006 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Stupid newbie request
by Bob Landman Aug. 27, 2006

Aug. 27, 2006

Peter Green Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:44:54 -0700 wrote.... Apologies for this, but... I can't get my lists to return a list of those members subscribed to them. I have followed the email commands in the FAQ and get replies saying that my command 'WHO' has been run, but I don't get a list in the way that I am used to with Listerver. ======== Peter, You should not apologize; it's not a dumb question at all. I know several intelligent IT people who have tried and failed to do this (not me - I'… [View More]m no IT genius - I'm an EE not a software guru). I've been managing Mailman lists for several years. Every experiment I've tried to elicit a list of members has failed. I did as instructed and sent in the body of the mail "who password" to mylist-request(a)mylist.net and what came back was my who request, but no list of members. In the documentation it says: "3.62. How do I extract a list of my list's members (subscribers)? The preferred way to do this is via the command line tool bin/list_members, but many list owners do not have access to this tool." I think this is "the" problem. The writers must have assumed that everyone has access to command line. I don't as I use a commercial website which hosts Mailman as a service. Also note that the FAQ also later on says: "- Visit the admin Membership Management...->Membership List pages one by one and copy/paste/edit the results." Groan - they aren't kidding. I think that's very telling. And a very ugly solution when you have hundreds of subscribers as I do AND when the list crashes at the website provider (and of course their backup was corrupted as the script wasn't backing up the Mailman subscriber list). Murphy's Law you know. So what I did when the crash happened was to painfully go over all saved subscription requests (fortunately I had saved every one and I recommend all do that) manually filtering out those who later insubscribed and re-entered the rermainders in a text file which I, of course, saved. I then pasted that into the Admin console Mass Subscription form. 550+ names - took me what seemed like forver to do that. I'm not the only one who wants an easy way via the Admin console (so you don't have to make the membership list query available to all members (the instructions say the program is anal and won't let you as admin request the list until you do that [and I tried that too and it didn't matter] to generate a list of subscribers in text format that can be saved locally. It does not have to be e-mailed, it can be a window in the console that can be copied and pasted into a text file. Please, won't someone provide this feature? It's basic to list administration. Bob Landman H&L Instruments, LLC www.hlinstruments.com [View Less]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Stupid newbie request
by Bob Landman Aug. 27, 2006

Aug. 27, 2006

Gary, Thanks for the advice, we'll give it a try. I've a friend who is an IT manager and he maintains a Mailman list and he's one who wants to solve this issue so I'll have him give it a go and contribute to the RFE if necessary. Bob -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+rlandman=hlinstruments.com(a)python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+rlandman=hlinstruments.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Gary Hall Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 12:22 PM To: Mailman Users Group Subject: … [View More]Re: [Mailman-Users] Stupid newbie request Hi Bob, I agree that there should be a way to download the list and asked that question a while back. Basically this is what they said ro me. "The alternatives if you only have web access are also described in the FAQ. Both Jim's and my scripts work and have been used on lists with thousands of members. They require you to install Python, and the ClientCookie package if Python is pre 2.4, on your personal computer/workstation, but once that is done, they are simple to use. The also said that there is already an RFE at: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1156871&group_id=1…. If that doesn't describe what you want, you can add a comment or a new RFE." Gary Bob Landman wrote: >Peter Green >Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:44:54 -0700 wrote.... > >Apologies for this, but... > >I can't get my lists to return a list of those members subscribed to >them. I have followed the email commands in the FAQ and get replies >saying that my command 'WHO' has been run, but I don't get a list in >the way that I am used to with Listerver. >======== >Peter, > >You should not apologize; it's not a dumb question at all. I know several intelligent IT people who have tried and failed to do this (not me - I'm no IT genius - I'm an EE not a software guru). I've been managing Mailman lists for several years. Every experiment I've tried to elicit a list of members has failed. > >I did as instructed and sent in the body of the mail "who password" to mylist-request(a)mylist.net and what came back was my who request, but no list of members. > >In the documentation it says: > >"3.62. How do I extract a list of my list's members (subscribers)? >The preferred way to do this is via the command line tool bin/list_members, but many list owners do not have access to this tool." > >I think this is "the" problem. The writers must have assumed that everyone has access to command line. I don't as I use a commercial website which hosts Mailman as a service. > >Also note that the FAQ also later on says: > >"- Visit the admin Membership Management...->Membership List pages one by one and copy/paste/edit the results." > >Groan - they aren't kidding. I think that's very telling. And a very ugly solution when you have hundreds of subscribers as I do AND when the list crashes at the website provider (and of course their backup was corrupted as the script wasn't backing up the Mailman subscriber list). Murphy's Law you know. > >So what I did when the crash happened was to painfully go over all saved subscription requests (fortunately I had saved every one and I recommend all do that) manually filtering out those who later insubscribed and re-entered the rermainders in a text file which I, of course, saved. I then pasted that into the Admin console Mass Subscription form. 550+ names - took me what seemed like forver to do that. > >I'm not the only one who wants an easy way via the Admin console (so you don't have to make the membership list query available to all members (the instructions say the program is anal and won't let you as admin request the list until you do that [and I tried that too and it didn't matter] to generate a list of subscribers in text format that can be saved locally. It does not have to be e-mailed, it can be a window in the console that can be copied and pasted into a text file. > >Please, won't someone provide this feature? It's basic to list administration. > >Bob Landman >H&L Instruments, LLC >www.hlinstruments.com > > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rlandman%40hlinstrumen… Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp [View Less]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman in frames
by Todd Williams Aug. 27, 2006

Aug. 27, 2006

I had looked for FAQs on "frames", not "cookies". Me bad. That FAQ <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.065.htp> is pretty generic, is there a repository for "fixes"? I found the following two solutions using IE 6.0 (+ every Microsoft patch). 1) I dropped my cookie setting in privacy to "Low" from "Medium" which would remove the restriction "Restricts first-party cookies that use personally identifiable information without implicit consent". 2)… [View More]

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Mailman in frames
by Todd Williams Aug. 27, 2006

Aug. 27, 2006

I see that Mailman seems to work in frames "ok", but I have run into a small problem. On one of my sites I want it to be private. So to see the archive you must login. It asks for a user name and password on every click... month, thread, posting, etc. Is there a way around this? I have seen that if I access the sight unframed then it works works fine framed. I assume this is a result of cookie being dropped in a manner that is accessible everywhere. Thanks in advance, Todd … [View More]

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Changing the from email address
by Rosewood Aug. 27, 2006

Aug. 27, 2006

I've set up a number of mailman lists with dreamhost. As far as I can tell, everything is working okay. Users are able to post messages by sending an email to listname(a)domain.com but we need emails delivered from the same address. Currently incoming emails come from listname-bounces(a)domain.com .

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upgrading, changing MTA and moving between servers
by Kim Leandersson Aug. 26, 2006

Aug. 26, 2006

Hi, For starters I have read the documentation available and done some googleing before this post. Today we have about 25-30 lists running on an old Debian Woody installation with postfix as MTA. Since the installation is old Mailman runs version 2.0.11. Our new server is running Qmail, Rhel4 and Mailman 2.1.5 and my question is about best practice for this migration. I've read some pages telling me that the administrative addresses has changed between these versions. I'm not sure if the … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] upgrading, changing MTA and moving between servers
by Dragon Aug. 26, 2006

Aug. 26, 2006

Kim Leandersson sent the message below at 09:37 AM 8/26/2006: >Ok, I'll copy the /lists/<listname> directories to the new server. Then >how do i tell Mailman to create config.pck out of the config.db? Does >mailman do this without me telling it to do so, or do I have to run some >command or maybe access the web admin pages? ---------------- End original message. --------------------- When you start the new version of mailman, it will look for config.pck files where it … [View More]

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need to stop mailman
by Gary Hall Aug. 26, 2006

Aug. 26, 2006

Hi Catherine and Brad, Typed in the code to stop the mailman but it kept on sending mail already in the queue - I forgot to empty the MTA. A reboot appeared to have stopped the process of sending however. The logs were inclusive, but it appears that the html became malformed somehow and the adv was being resent to one group of the whole list. I am on that list but I never got a "repeat" email, but I saw on several computers at the business where they got at least 4 of them. We cleared … [View More]the mail queue and will restart the server later today after we look again at the "/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/out" files to be sure they are clear too. I have set up a "test" list that only has the names of the principles of this mailing endeavor. We will first send out the adv to ourselves and be sure the adv looks as we expect it too and not other problems crop up. After the test run we will send out the adv to the main list. My primary reason for this is to check out this guy's html code every time - just in case. Thanks for your suggestions and help. Warm regards, Gary Catherine Maxwell wrote: > Hello Gary, > > Just set this guy to moderated and make sure that he is not set in the > allowed to post block. When he posts a message the notice will come to > you as the list administrator to approve it or not. > > --Catherine > > At 10:57 AM 8/24/2006, you wrote: > >> Hi Guy's, >> >> Problem: Mailman is sending out unsolicited emails and I want to clear >> out the remaining emails. >> >> I will stop the service (at the machine itself) by: >> >> /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop >> >> >> The list in question is sending out unsolicited emails according to >> the person who once a month sends out an advertisement for his >> company. I have asked for examples and I am being stonewalled - don't >> know why he won't send me an example. He is the only one authorized >> to send mail - I set that myself. >> >> I am not only the list owner, but I am the only one with passwords to >> the root and list. I have removed the network cable from the server >> and will access the server on site to type in the code above. After >> typing in the "stop" code I will reattach the network cable so I can >> view the root via secure shell at my office. After that I can use the >> html interface to view the list settings. >> >> Question: What do I look for? Have I missed anything? Is there a >> "file" that holds emails that need to be sent out? Has anyone else >> had this problem? Is this guy blowing smoke up my *(^&%? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Gary >> >> . >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list >> Mailman-Users(a)python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py >> Searchable Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/catmaxx%40berrach.com >> >> >> Security Policy: >> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp > > > [View Less]

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Quicker way to subscribe someone?
by Allan Trick Aug. 25, 2006

Aug. 25, 2006

Sorry to post so many questions in the space of a week to this list. I work at a school and all the changes we make to our mailing lists tend to take place just once a year--now. So in a few days I'll probably go away and you won't hear from me again till next summer. :-) My question this time is: is there a simpler way to subscribe one person to all 20 of our lists, and have the 'mod' bit unchecked for her? I've been going into each list thru the web interface, selecting Mass … [View More]

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Mailman not working...help pls
by ed Aug. 25, 2006

Aug. 25, 2006

I'm having problems with a maillman installation that *used* to work fine. I'm not quite sure what stopped working. i don't believe any updates or changes were made on the server since the last time it worked and when it stopped working. I'm running Mailman 2.1.8 on Mac OS X 10.4.7. The MTA is Postfix. When I send e-mail to any list on the server, it seems to get swallowed up. If I try sending it from an unmoderated address, nothing happens. And if I try sending it from a moderated address, … [View More]

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