Mailman 3 February 2007 - Mailman-Users

Alternatives to having a list own itself
by Kelly Jones 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

I'm part of a group of people ("sysops") that own several lists. Because the group changes occasionally, we've created a Mailman list called "sysops(a)foo.com", and all of our lists are owned by "sysops(a)foo.com". The sysops list also receives other (non-Mailman-generated) emails. We tried to make sysops owned by itself, but ran into problems: a spammer emailed sysops, and the mail was held for moderation. However, the "sysops post requires approval" message came from sysops-bounces and went to sysops: Mailman apparently detected a loop and didn't deliver the message (either that, or Mailman automatically rejects emails that come from a list itself?) To be honest, we didn't investigate too deeply: we know that the sysops list works great for the most part, but doesn't work when we make it own itself. We even tried cheating by using an alias: we had "bar(a)foo.com" forward to "sysops(a)foo.com" and then made the list owned by "bar(a)foo.com", but Mailman figured out our trickery and somehow disallowed it. My question: what's the best way to handle a situation like this? Have a list owned by itself or "effectively" owned by itself. An obvious hack is to run "list_members sysops" in a cron job and then dump the results into the 'owner' field, but this seems ugly, especially if you're using topics (at any given time, only a subset of sysops may decide to receive "message pending approval" type messages). Is this the Mailman version of Russell's paradox? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand and assimilate technology. We feel that resistance to new ideas and technology is unwise and ultimately futile.

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List email domain versus archive / web admin domain.
by Alan Gutierrez 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

I've just moved my mail server to a new server. I used to run my lists on the same server where I hosted web sites, so that I was able to have the following. bloggers(a)thinknola.com http://thinknola.com/mailman/listinfo http://thinknola.com/mailman/listinfo/bloggers http://thinknola.com/pipermail/bloggers/ The website thinknola.com will stay at the current machine. My users are not terribly savvy and I don't want to change things too much. They should not have to adjust their address books. Links can redirect. I tried using mod_proxy, but that meant that the mailman CGI was unable to determine the hostname, and therefore, did not provide for listings of hosted lists in /mailman/listinfo Google recommends this solution: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-January/025330.html Is this the preferred recipe? Incidentally, the layout of this list... http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users mailman-users(a)python.org Would be okay. I'm wondering if it doesn't follow the recipe in the link above. -- Alan Gutierrez 504 717 1428 - alan(a)blogometer.com - http://blogometer.com/ Think New Orleans - http://thinknola.com/

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Possible to forward bounces from mass invitation?
by Carter Braxton 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

I'm running mailman 2.1.5 on a Ubuntu 6.0.1 server, and am going to do an initial mass invitation to the mailing list. Is there a way to have any invitations that bounce be forwarded to the list owner? (If not the bounces can always be culled from the postfix log, but it would be nice if there were a way to have them forwarded automatically.) I didn't see anything obvious in the bounce settings that would provide this functionality. -- Carter Braxton

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retrieving usernames and passwords from mailman
by Matthew Clarkson 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

I'm building a simple document sharing application to run alongside mailman. What I would like to do is use mailmans users/passwords for this application. Ultimately what I would like to do is pull out all usernames & passwords and throw it all into a file for a given list. Is this possible with a current command line program with mailman? Thanks in advance -- Matthew Clarkson Netera Alliance

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making all bounces, even temporary ones, go to list owner
by Whitcomb, Jeff 23 Feb '07

23 Feb '07

In response to Mark's email number 9 below. I have always received delayed messages as a list owner, and did not know that I am not supposed to having the list configured as he mentions. The message I get is: "The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s)." When I open the attachment, it has: "Your message has been delayed and is still awaiting delivery to the following recipient(s): <email address> (Was addressed to <email address>) Message delayed Could not resolve mail server name because DNS server did not respond in time." The delayed message also has two attachments, one is an error status message that says: "Reporting-MTA: dns; mailrelay.<originating domain> Received-From-MTA: dns; server5.<originating domain> (unverified [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) Arrival-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:44:47 -0600 Final-Recipient: rfc822; <destination email address> Action: delayed Status: 0.0.0 (Unknown class - no additional status information available)" The other attachment appears to be the header of the original email. Before I went through and stripped out server addresses and put fake stuff in, I wanted to see what information I need to send where to determine if this is an unrecognized bounce format that needs to be added to MailMan, or if it might be something else? Thanks, Jeff Whitcomb, MCP Technology Services Manager Cumberland School of Law - Samford University 205-726-4662 -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jmwhitco=samford.edu(a)python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jmwhitco=samford.edu@python.org] On Behalf Of mailman-users-request(a)python.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:00 AM To: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 36, Issue 28 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users(a)python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request(a)python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner(a)python.org When replying, lease edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. pipermail customization (Denis) 2. Re: pipermail customization (Mark Sapiro) 3. Re: pipermail customization (Denis) 4. revisiting Mailman content-type problem (Ron Brogden) 5. Re: pipermail customization (Mark Sapiro) 6. Re: revisiting Mailman content-type problem (Mark Sapiro) 7. Making all bounces, even temporary ones, go to list owner ASAP (Kelly Jones) 8. Re: revisiting Mailman content-type problem (JB@comcast) 9. Re: Making all bounces, even temporary ones, go to list owner ASAP (Mark Sapiro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:29:00 +0200 From: Denis <denis.uzvik(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Mailman-Users] pipermail customization To: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <1249068897.20070219192900(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi guys .. It's possible customize archived message page? (like http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-April/035963.html ) add custom header-footer-css ? As I understand this pages by generated by papermail. But unfortunately i can't find way to customize papermail. Thanks! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 09:43:33 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail customization To: Denis <denis.uzvik(a)gmail.com>, mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <PC1760200702190943330562509e0773@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Denis wrote: >It's possible customize archived message page? (like >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-April/035963.html >) > >add custom header-footer-css ? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp>. The template is article.html. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:00:27 +0200 From: Denis <denis.uzvik(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail customization To: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <1448776887.20070219200027(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, this is interesting! I can't understand how to force rebild files from /usr/local/mailman2/archives/private/webman/2007-February/* Seems for new files all ok. /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart - doesn't help : ( Can you advice please? > Denis wrote: >>It's possible customize archived message page? (like >>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2004-April/035963.html >>) >> >>add custom header-footer-css ? > See > <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.048.htp>. > The template is article.html. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:30:40 -0800 From: Ron Brogden <rb(a)islandnet.com> Subject: [Mailman-Users] revisiting Mailman content-type problem To: Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <200702191230.40080.rb(a)islandnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Howdy. While researching a problem that a user was having with long URLs getting wrapped in their Mac mail client I came across the following thread from last year dicussing the very same problem: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049477.html To summarize, "delsp=yes; format=flowed" is getting dropped during Mailman's parsing of the message. At the time of the note above Mark Sapiro said that this was due to a mix of issues within Mailman plus the underlaying Python libraries. Has there been any change of the status of this issue or is the only workaround still to turn off attachement scrubbing and empty the header / footer? Mark said previously: "You might be able to avoid the problem if you set scrub_nondigest to No and make sure both msg_header and msg_footer are empty, but this may not be satisfactory for other reasons." Cheers! Ron -- islandnet.com http://www.islandnet.com support(a)islandnet.com ph: (250) 383-0096 fax: (250) 383-6698 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 12:39:22 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail customization To: Denis <denis.uzvik(a)gmail.com> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <PC17602007021912392208125df97002@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Denis wrote: > >I can't understand how to force rebild files from >/usr/local/mailman2/archives/private/webman/2007-February/* > >Seems for new files all ok. > >/usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl restart - doesn't help : ( You have to rebuild the archive. See 'bin/arch --help'. If this archive is entirely from a recent Mailman, you should have no problem, but if early parts of the archive are from older Mailman, see 'bin/cleanarch --help'. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 16:44:52 -0800 From: Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] revisiting Mailman content-type problem To: Ron Brogden <rb(a)islandnet.com>, Mailman Users <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <PC17602007021916445200464c46bd82@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ron Brogden wrote: >Howdy. While researching a problem that a user was having with long URLs >getting wrapped in their Mac mail client I came across the following thread >from last year dicussing the very same problem: > >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049477.htm l > >To summarize, "delsp=yes; format=flowed" is getting dropped during Mailman's >parsing of the message. At the time of the note above Mark Sapiro said that >this was due to a mix of issues within Mailman plus the underlaying Python >libraries. > >Has there been any change of the status of this issue or is the only >workaround still to turn off attachement scrubbing and empty the header / >footer? It's been on my ToDo list long enough. Attached is a patch you can try if you are willing. This patch should preserve the format and delsp parameters on Content-Type headers for the original message body. A couple of remarks. If msg_header and/or msg_footer contain lines with trailing spaces, if these are added to a Format=flowed message body, the header and/or footer will be flowed by the end MUA - make sure these do not have trailing spaces. In looking at the code to develop the patch, I don't really see how the dropping of the Format and DelSp parameters causes ultimate improper wrapping of scrubber URLs, so I'm not sure that this patch fixes that. The problem is real and definitely manifests itself in other ways, so the patch (assuming it is good - I did test it to make sure it didn't break anything obvious) is needed. I'm just not sure if it will fix your immediate problem. Please try the patch if you can, and report. If it doesn't fix the wrapped URLs, I'll probably need message samples to figure it out. -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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postfix virtual domain problem
by Rich 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Yes I have read the other threads and the setup procedure in the manual and tried other suggested setups too. I see the list archives show up yet no mail ever gets delivered. It always gets stopped on delivery. In /var/log/mailman/smtp-failure I see: delivery to user@host failed with code -1:(111, Connection Refused) I find this quite odd since I can send and receive email normaly internally and externally. I have disabled pop-before-smtp but it still doesn't work. I'm on fc6 all files were installed from the standard packages via yum(which I haven't seen anyone else complaining about). Postfix config perhaps? Although since it works for everything else I doubt it. Ideas anyone?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List not archiving (was: Your message was rejected?!?)
by Mark Sapiro 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Baris Basar wrote: >Yes. It's on. in response to: >Is archiving turned on for the list? Was the post delivered to list members? Is there anything in Mailman's error log? Is ArchRunner Running? See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.014.htp> -- Mark Sapiro <msapiro(a)value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Your message was rejected?!?
by Patrick Bogen 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

On 2/22/07, Baris Basar <baris(a)mobilnet.com.tr> wrote: > I have posted an e-mail to a newly created list. And i want to look at list > archieves. And i get this message. "No messages have been posted to this > list yet, so the archives are currently empty." And i wanna ask , what is > MTA? The MTA is the piece of software responsible for actually delivering mail (whether that's delivery to local accounts, forwarding it on to mailman, or giving it to the MTA at another server). Postfix, Sendmail, qmail, exim, etc. Are you the person ('kalin mintchev') that posted the start of this thread? -- - Patrick Bogen

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Moving mailman lists
by Steven Jones 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

Hi, Quick Q, We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own mailman server. So, how easy would it be to "extract" all the setup info and move it to the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a later date? Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is there already such a tool? Could the archived items be "cleansed" of the old domain and the new domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)... Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a new server but they want something "now". regards Steven Jones Senior Linux/Unix/San System Administrator APG -Technology Integration Team Victoria University of Wellington

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Your message was rejected?!?
by kalin mintchev 22 Feb '07

22 Feb '07

hi all... the email address the email is coming from is in the field: "List of non-member addresses whose postings should be automatically accepted." i just get: Your message was rejected. that's all. no explanation... there is nothing in the logs. just rejected - that's it... why? thanks....

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