Mailman-Users June 2007

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Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?
by Mal 16 Feb '21

16 Feb '21

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail so that the mails have the name of the sender, while the mail itself comes from the list address? I have looked high and low for an answer, but noone seems to have the solution. Thank you! Mal

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Setting MIME as default for new Non-Digest subscribers
by Steve Reiter 31 Jul '11

31 Jul '11

Hi - I have searched FAQ and archives to find an answer. Hoping you can help. I have a new list (with previously imported addresses) for announcements only, and wish these announcements to be received immediately. I set the defaults to allow non-digest and to not allow digest. I wish to send out announcements in html, and so wish to make the default for new subscribers be MIME. While I see a setting under Digest Options (MIME_is_Default_Digest), I don't see any equivalent option under Non-Digest Options... and new subscribers continue to come in as plain text. QUESTIONS: In order to avoid having to manually change this option for each existing subscriber, is there a way to force all existing subscribers to receive MIME in Non-Digest mode? If not, is there a way to force all NEW subscribers to be enrolled with MIME as their default? Also, is there a way to "lock" the MIME switch on, so that users who try to change their option to plain text will be prevented from doing so? Thanks - Steve

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Mailman/Qmail/Plesk Problem
by Douglas G. Phillips 24 Jul '09

24 Jul '09

OK, I've got another problem with Qmail/Plesk/Mailman (same customer, rebuilt server). Plesk is 7.5.4 reloaded. Mail delivered fails with "need GID 110 got 101" error. I set up the brute-force wrapper to deliver with GID 110, and set the permissions correctly for it to work. Now, I'm getting the following (broken up into multiple lines for courtesy): qmail: 1157518628.995172 delivery 726: success: group_mismatch_error._Mailman_expected_the_mail_wrapper_script_to_be/ executed_as_one_of_the_following_groups:/[mail,_nobody,_mailman],/ but_the_system's_mail_server_executed_the_mail_script_as_group:_"popuser"./ Try_tweaking_the_mail_server_to_run_the_script_as_one_of_these_groups:/ [mail,_nobody,_mailman],/or_re-run_configure_providing_the_ command_line_option:/'--with-mail-gid=popuser'./Failed_to_start_ /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman./did_0+0+1/ I'm about ready to pull my hair out. I even added the popuser user to the mailman group in /etc/passwd. So, that being said, are there any ideas out there? I have been messing with this for a week, and have not come up with anything else to do. -- Douglas G. Phillips Simple Business Solutions ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.

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migrating Mailman server
by Peter Matulis 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

I have the task of setting up a replacement for an existing Mailman/Postfix server. I am new to Mailman and I am looking for some guidance in this transition. Mailman is currently being used solely as a diffusion of information. That is, it does not accept contributions from list members (read-only). Firstly, should I attempt to migrate data/files over to the new system or should I start fresh? The new system will be running OpenBSD 4.0. Other comments welcome. Peter

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hello genaliases
by Gustavo U. Navarro 07 Aug '07

07 Aug '07

Hello I need generate a file aliases in mailman.. for postfix.. but when I put /bin/genaliases.. I can't generarte.. Could anyone help me... thanks gustavo navarro

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rare problem
by Jesús Oliván 02 Aug '07

02 Aug '07

Hi! i'm using mailman 2.1.5 on a Solaris box, and i've got a very rare issue... if i try to post a list using a non-suscribed email address, and this email address is included in non-suscribers allowed senders, it accepts my post... but if i use a regular expression like this ^[A-Za-z0-9.\-_%]+(a)[A-Za-z0-9.-]*mynet.com$ and try to post using a from line using more than 30 characters (from line splits in two in mail header then) and an accent. Then, mailman doesn't accept this mail and return it to me, although this email address is under my.net.com domain. Anyone can help, plz? =)

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no archives, no logs after system failure
by douglas repetto 20 Jul '07

20 Jul '07

Hello, Our server recently had hard drive problems, and the system was copied to another drive where it seems to be more or less happy. But we're having a strange Mailman problem (Mailman 2.1.5 on OSX Server 10.4.10): the lists are running, mail is being delivered, but no archiving is taking place and nothing is being written to the log files. The last change date for all log files is the day the original drive died, as is the date of the last archived messages to our lists. Otherwise all seems to be well... Can someone help me with some ideas of where to start looking? I've run out of ideas at this point. Permissions seem to be fine. Nothing is in our system logs indicating a problem. I run: roar:/var/mailman/logs root# /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop Shutting down Mailman's master qrunner roar:/var/mailman root# /usr/share/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Starting Mailman's master qrunner. With no problems, but as mentioned, the stop/start does not appear in the logs. Any ideas? thanks, douglas -- ............................................... http://artbots.org .....douglas.....irving........................ http://dorkbot.org .......................... http://music.columbia.edu/cmc/music-dsp .......... repetto....... http://works.music.columbia.edu/organism ............................... http://music.columbia.edu/~douglas

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Making list owner (listname-owner) appear in Return Path
by D G Teed 02 Jul '07

02 Jul '07

We are doing well in our migration from MJ2 to mailman. The default of sending emails with the -bounce address doesn't fit with our needs. We'd like it to work the way it did with MJ2, where the listname-owner type of address was in the Return-Path. Typically we set our list owner to be some administrative email address which several of us can check for interesting items or bulk delete after some time. In other cases, the owner of some fund raising campaign wants to receive bounce notifications to see immediately what addresses are not current. I think my answer is to edit SMTPDirect.py to set the Sender and Return Path, but I'm not sure what variable I need to use there. Is 'mlist.owner[:]' what I'll need? I'd want the specific list owner, not the site mailman owner. None of these are publicly subscribe-able lists, so the features of bounce processing are not valuable to us. Any suggestions? --Donald

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specific (1) LHS and (2) sender rules to frustrate spam/phishing
by Rich Kulawiec 30 Jun '07

30 Jun '07

Two related suggestions. (1) LHS (left-hand-side) rules Any incoming mail message whose putative sender matches: do-not-reply@ do.not.reply@ donotreply@ no-reply@ no.reply@ noreply@ and which is directed to any of the Mailman standard aliases can be rejected (not bounced [1]) with SMTP status 550 (extended status 5.7.1) since either: (a) it's a forgery, therefore there's no point in letting Mailman attempt to emit a reply -- or even in accepting the message to begin with. (a) it's not a forgery, therefore there's no point in trying to reply to it. (Nor is there any point in permitting it to subscribe to a list or send any traffic to one.) Arguably, this could be done in some MTAs by configuring rejection of those LHS patterns on a per-local-user basis; but I'll argue that doing this in Mailman itself would be more useful, since many (perhaps most) sites don't use per-local-user configuration (and perhaps don't know how). Moreover, any site running multiple mailing lists would need to set this up for every Mailman alias for every mailing list -- so it seems simpler to handle it inside Mailman itself. My guess is that this should be a switchable feature, named something like "reject-noreplies". (Not that I can envision a need to switch it off, but I think it'd be more conversative to have that option.) (2) sender rules Any incoming mail message whose putative sender matches the list below can also be rejected (SMTP status 550, extended status 5.7.1) because these addresses will never send traffic to any mailing list nor subscribe to any mailing list. There's thus no point in expending the bandwidth/CPU necessary to process them, nor in forwarding them on to list admins for possible approval -- any message from these addresses to any Mailman-related address is invariably a phish attempt. I'm sure this list is incomplete; I built it by looking at incoming attempts received locally in 2007. It's not meant to be complete, only illustrative. Again, this could be done at the MTA level by blocking on a per-local-user basis, but (as above) I think wiring it into Mailman would make it useful to people who do not have their MTAs so configured. And this should probably also be switchable feature, perhaps named "reject-obvious-phishes". 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The simplest way of putting this is "reject good, bounce bad", since bounces invariably result in outscatter (aka "backscatter"), which is a form of spam, which in turn will cause sufficiently egregious emitters to be (correctly) blacklisted. Note as well that various mitigating strategies designed to blunt the effects of bounce-instead-of-reject policies lose entirely due to rampant forgery, DNS redirection, an estimated 100M+ fully-compromised systems, and widespread failure of end-user ISPs to control outbound SMTP abuse. So saying that it's immensely preferable to reject rather than bounce is an understatement.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blank Characters Removed from "Subject:" Line
by Barry Finkel 30 Jun '07

30 Jun '07

Barry Finkel writes: >> I am running Mailman 2.1.9. I have a list where one posting has a >> "Subject:" line: >> >> Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible Antivirus Problems >> >> The next posting in the thread has: >> >> Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible AntivirusProblems and "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen(a)xemacs.org> replied: >What is happening, I guess, is that Mailman is folding that header to >keep it within some number of characters, maybe 76 or so. RFC 2822 >specifies that this may be done by inserting a linebreak (CRLF) before >whitespace. The RFC implies that the right thing to do in that case >is to remove the CRLF only, but some MUAs also remove a space. I >suspect that is what is happening to this case. > >Can you post a copy of the "raw" header as received by Mailman and as >sent by Mailman? Below are pieces of two messages. I have the original message from the archives of the sender followed by the relevant lines of the list .mbox file (including line numbers). ======================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: ... Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 2:30 PM To: ... Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible AntivirusProblems Not a question ... ======================================================================= 184331 Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list with possible 184332 AntivirusProblems 184333 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:29:52 -0500 184342 From: ... 184343 To: ... 184358 184359 Not a question ... ======================================================================= ======================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: ... Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:50 PM To: ... Cc: ... Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list withpossibleAntivirusProblems Hi ... ======================================================================= 184735 Subject: RE: Change in Procedure for Computers on list 184736 withpossibleAntivirusProblems 184737 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:50:20 -0500 184747 From: ... 184748 To: ... 184751 Cc: ... 184765 184766 Hi ... ======================================================================= ======================================================================= In both cases, I do not see that Mailman has removed any blanks from the "Subject:" line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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