Mailman 3 January 2008 - Mailman-Users

Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Lists
by Dennis Putnam 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just discovered something that may or may not be useful. Just for grins I tried sending a request to the request mail box. I saw some errors in the syslog but the main one is that there is a group error. The mailman wrapper expected to be run as group 'mail' but ran as group 'mailman' instead. This sounds like and ownership issue now. Everything is owned by 'mailman; and has group 'mail'. The mailman user is a member of both groups with 'mailman' as the primary. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHgskd/fiWYqZ2tVQRAjRoAJ0XvyoP0aDSfXFghjE7NzQ/aIdgQQCfX5bv 080pVDToc203/slOrqidpw0= =FCch -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Lists
by Mark Sapiro 09 Jan '08

09 Jan '08

Dennis Putnam wrote: > >At 08:09 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: > >I am confused. > >At least I'm not alone. :-) > > >Your original post said "Well, mailman works but it does not recognize >any of my old lists. How do I get Mailman to see the lists again?" > >Correct. > > >Now you say bin/list_lists shows your lists. > >Correct. > > >Please try to be more specific about exactly what does and doesn't >work, and what happens in the non-working cases. > >When I try to access lists/admin via the web it ways there are none >defined. See <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.062.htp> >When I try to send a message to a list, nothing noticeable >happens other then logs showing it was delivered to the correct >mailbox. Mail to a list should not be delivered to a mailbox. It should be piped to a command such as "|/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post listname" Do you have aliases for all your lists in /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases*? (Try running /usr/lib/mailman/bin/genaliases) -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Posts not showing in archives
by Barry Finkel 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Anne Ramey wrote: >>>I have a list that had 2 recent posts that are not showing up in the >>>archives. They are in the post log as successful posts, but don't show >>>in the archive. Any idea how that could happen? The archiving >>>settings are to rotate monthly, privacy set to private. And Mark Sapiro replied: >>Is ArchRunner running? Are the messages still in the archive queue? >> >> >>Is only this one list affected? Is there anything in Mailman's 'error' >>log? >And Anne Ramey replied: >Archrunner is running, other lists archived in that timeframe fine. >There is nothing in the error log. The messages are listed as >successful posts and were delivered successfully. There doesn't appear >to be anything waiting in the archive queue. It is also just the >messages on the 3rd and 5th that didn't get in the archive. The >message on the 7th (yesterday) is there. Do the missing messages have the same message-id as a message already in the archives? I had an archive question in December, and Mark's reply was that a message will not be archived if its message-id already appears in the archive, as the second message is a duplicate of the first. (RFC 2822 says that the message-id must be unique.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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approved senders
by Troy Knabe 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

For accept_these_nonmembers I would like to add my entire domain. So I added "^(a)my.domain.com" w/out the quotes, but that doesn't seem to be working. Any suggestions for my wrong syntax? Thanks -Troy

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Posts not showing in archives
by Ramey, Anne 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

I have a list that had 2 recent posts that are not showing up in the archives. They are in the post log as successful posts, but don't show in the archive. Any idea how that could happen? The archiving settings are to rotate monthly, privacy set to private. Thanks, Anne

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Users - help
by Sarah 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Sure. www.ultrahost.us. There is a contact link on the page. they answer right away if they can. Tha'ts what impresses me and the person helping me never put me down or anything even though I felt like the questions I asked were dumb. The sign up process was quite easy. SA&G ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Litvak, Discovery Toys To: Sarah Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users - help thanks Sarah, do you have the contact info for ultrahost? how do you find them? wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sarah To: Wendy Litvak, Discovery Toys Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users - help I don'tknwo if you can do that with mail man. I only use mail man as a list serve and ultrahost is hosting it for me. SA&G ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendy Litvak, Discovery Toys To: marrie12(a)gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [Mailman-Users - help Hi Sarah, I saw your email in the archives of the mailman site. I'd like to set up a data base for my customers - have a few different folders I can set up for different mailings. It looks like you had some help with that - can you let me know how it's working for you, and how you imported your addresses into the mailman list. is there any cost associated with this? thanks wendy Wendy Litvak www.discoverytoyslink.com/WendyLitvak ENJOY a $50 or $100 FREE SHOPPING SPREE EARN EXTRA HOLIDAY $$ and SHOP FOR FREE! HAVE THE STORE COME TO YOUR DOOR - No lines, parking, traffic! Save time, relax and SHOP FROM HOME! Call or email for details and for a catalogue - over 50 NEW PRODUCTS including EXCLUSIVE PLAYSCHOOL/HASBRO Toys for Discovery Toys!

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Queue delays
by Grigory Batalov 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

Hello! I have regular delays in message processing. Say, my server (Linux/Postfix) receives a letter at 17:36 and quickly delivers it to the mailman queue (?). Then message is hold for about 25 minutes and is processed again at 18:01. It is strange to me, why mailman keeps the message so long? How can I investigate such situation? Maybe, other messages in queue could be the reason? $ ls -1 /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/in/|wc -l 0 $ ls -1 /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/out/|wc -l 120 $ ls -1 /var/lib/mailman/qfiles/retry/|wc -l 121 There are 8 Incoming, 8 Outgoing, 4 Retry and 4 Bounce qrunners on the server. Nothing interesting in /var/log/mailman/error for that period. I cite mail logs here in hope they can help: --- /var/log/maillog: ... Jan 7 17:36:24 lists postfix/smtpd[9319]: 3E5FFBE21CF: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Jan 7 17:36:24 lists postfix/cleanup[9736]: 3E5FFBE21CF: message-id=<20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org> Jan 7 17:36:24 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 3E5FFBE21CF: from=<upravdom(a)altlinux.org>, size=2326, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 7 17:36:24 lists postfix/local[9765]: 3E5FFBE21CF: to=<sisyphus-incominger(a)lists.altlinux.org>, relay=local, delay=0.27, delays=0.14/0/0/0.13, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib64/mailman/mail/mailman post sisyphus-incominger) Jan 7 17:36:24 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 3E5FFBE21CF: removed ... --- /var/log/mailman/post: ... Jan 07 18:01:41 2008 (12250) post to sisyphus-incominger from upravdom(a)altlinux.org, size=4003, message-id=<20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org>, success ... --- /var/log/mailman/smtp: ... Jan 07 18:01:41 2008 (12250) <20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org> smtp to sisyphus-incominger for 15 recips, completed in 0.057 seconds ... --- /var/log/maillog: ... Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/smtpd[11539]: 064E7BE1B56: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/cleanup[14067]: 064E7BE1B56: message-id=<20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org> Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 064E7BE1B56: from=<sisyphus-incominger-bounces(a)lists.altlinux.org>, size=4204, nrcpt=3 (queue active) ... Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/smtpd[11539]: 099D8BE1D7D: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/cleanup[14067]: 099D8BE1D7D: message-id=<20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org> Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 099D8BE1D7D: from=<sisyphus-incominger-bounces(a)lists.altlinux.org>, size=4204, nrcpt=5 (queue active) ... Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/smtpd[11539]: 0D9A3BE2078: client=localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/cleanup[14067]: 0D9A3BE2078: message-id=<20080107143624.1A3761AE802A(a)granary.armor.altlinux.org> Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 0D9A3BE2078: from=<sisyphus-incominger-bounces(a)lists.altlinux.org>, size=4204, nrcpt=7 (queue active) ... (skipped SMTP delivery) ... Jan 7 18:01:41 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 064E7BE1B56: removed Jan 7 18:01:44 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 099D8BE1D7D: removed Jan 7 18:01:52 lists postfix/qmgr[32764]: 0D9A3BE2078: removed ... -- Grigory Batalov, ALT Linux Team

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Lists
by Dennis Putnam 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks again. Please see the embedded responses. At 07:10 PM 1/7/2008, you wrote: What does Mailman's bin/list_lists show? It shows my lists correctly. What exactly is in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py for VAR_PREFIX and LIST_DATA_DIR. Note that if LIST_DATA_DIR is defined in Defaults.py as os.path.join(VAR_PREFIX, 'lists'), redefining VAR_PREFIX in mm_cfg.py will not change the location of LIST_DATA_DIR unless it is also redefined in mm_cfg.py subsequent to the redefinition of VAR_PREFIX. None are overridden in mm_cfg.py. VAR_PREFIX = "/var/lib/mailman" What happens if you do [root@sbh16 mailman]# bin/withlist -i No list name supplied. Python 2.4.3 (#1, Mar 14 2007, 18:51:08) [GCC 4.1.1 20070105 (Red Hat 4.1.1-52)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. (InteractiveConsole) >>> from Mailman import mm_cfg >>> mm_cfg.LIST_DATA_DIR '/usr/local/mailman/lists' >>> It shows my correct path "/var/lib/mailman/lists" [root@sbh16 mailman]# (the >>> lines are where you enter things. A control-D is entered on the last line to quit) Then do ls -l /usr/local/mailman/lists or whatever the output from the above was. - -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan It shows my mailing lists. I guess the implication is that something else is wrong. Maybe some sub-process of mailman is not running? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHgsQe/fiWYqZ2tVQRAvw/AJ4n2Edpj9EhCBmnDBs4UpU9RTqtBACg/iaA 9OnhEdCeFXfvsevEWkAL9xk= =ybEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Restoring Lists
by Dennis Putnam 08 Jan '08

08 Jan '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 06:03 PM 1/1/2008, you wrote: >On 1/1/08, Dennis Putnam wrote: > >You're missing the Python pickles which define which list(s) exist >and >what its/their configuration(s) is/are. Those should presumably be >somewhere under /var/*/mailman/*, and you'd need to restore them as >well. You'd need to stop Mailman, do the restore, then restart >Mailman. Thanks for the reply but the only pickles I know of are made from cucumbers and vinegar. :-) What file name or type should I be looking for? >If you've already done that, then I'm not sure that I can give you >any >more help -- in that case, you may have to wait for an answer from >Mark Sapiro or someone else who knows the code better than I do. I thought I restored everything but since I don't know what to look for I can't really tell. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFHfBpu/fiWYqZ2tVQRAhO+AJ0fbSKKHMebFxhnc1qTYg9cGLLsGACg0SAl u55BQPPqLPWCq35JtZ02YRQ= =kmZA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Mailman won't 'start' - but is working?
by Charles Marcus 07 Jan '08

07 Jan '08

Ok, maybe this is an issue with my understanding, but... I am on a gentoo system, trying to clean up some things (inherited) - duplicates, etc. I had an old version of Mailman (2.1.7) and 2.1.9 installed. I removed the 2.1.7 version with no apparent problems, but then updated 2.1.9 to the latest rev - 2.1.9-r2 (this is in the testing/unstable repo on gentoo, so maybe this is a bug with this package)... They aren't supposed to make major changes between minor rev bumps like this, but they did this time: 1. The install directory was changed from /usr/local/mailman to /usr/lib64/mailman. 2. They also split up some of the stuff... if I'm not mistaken, the following directories used to be in the main /usr/local/mailman: archives data lists locks logs qfiles spam but they all got moved to /var/lib/mailman... I got all of this sorted (fixed the paths in the aliases files and in main.cf for postfix), and mailman seems to be working fine - I send a message to a list, I see it processed in the log, and the message is delivered to all list members... but... If I try to 'start' mailman, it won't start - I get the (!!) error. If I try to stop it, it says it isn't started. What am I missing? -- Best regards, Charles

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