Mailman 3 December 2008 - Mailman-Users

Only mailto, not http, list-* headers
by Bernie Cosell 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

Is it possible to configure mailman to ONLY provide the mailto list-* headers and not the http versions? [at the moment mailman is running on an internal server that doesn't have a public web interface and it is just confusing/annoying for the users to have a link that doesn't work]. thanks!! /Bernie\ -- Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA --> Too many people, too few sheep <--

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The economics of spam
by Lindsay Haisley 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

Brad, (or anyone), Please excuse me if this is a bit OT. I was intrigued by your comments on the economics of spam, which prompted me to introduce pre-filtering on one of my servers, possibly later on both of them. Where did you get the information, in particular, that there's an income flow based on successful SMTP delivery? Any references on the subject will be appreciated. -- Lindsay Haisley | "The voice of dissent | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | was arrested before the | available at 512-259-1190 | president cleared his | http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com | throat to speak | | of freedom" | | (Chris Chandler) |

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Domain Keys - Stripping thereof?
by J.A. Terranson 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

I have subscribers complaining, rightfully so, that their provider is dumping any post from a Google user into the spam box for not having a correct Domain Key, i.e., we are not resigning it, nor are we stripping it. Is this possible? Thanks! //Alif -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech

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Posts from listowner address issue
by J.A. Terranson 23 Dec '08

23 Dec '08

Good Morning, Last night our colo came down for routine maintenace, when everything came back up, I noticed a *really* strange issue: listowner address sends a "Maintenance Over" message to a bunch of machines/lists. On one machine with 4 lists, owneraddress posting shows up in archives, but owner never sees copy, nor any postings from this list (while shecking archives I realized the list was very active, but I was not seeing the posts being distributed). Looking in logs/smtp, I see no sign of the messages from owner that are clearly in the archives! In logs/error, I see that when the machine came up there are intermittent errors that look like: Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/home/crippen/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1229758515.53407+f7dd7f3e72a65eb8764166694ac958f0d9335dcf.pck' Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/home/crippen/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/home/crippen/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 154, in dequeue fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/home/crippen/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1229758515.53407+f7dd7f3e72a65eb8764166694ac958f0d9335dcf.pck' Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Skipping and preserving unparseable message: 1229758515.53407+f7dd7f3e72a65eb8764166694ac958f0d9335dcf Dec 20 01:35:17 2008 (633) Failed to unlink/preserve backup file: /usr/home/crippen/mailman/qfiles/virgin/1229758515.53407+f7dd7f3e72a65eb8764166694ac958f0d9335dcf.bak Dec 20 03:04:13 2008 (412) Uncaught runner exception: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/home/crippen/mailman/qfiles/commands/1229763852.582849+9e25777e9465de03f3615d9fdad3976458c49d2c.pck' Dec 20 03:04:13 2008 (412) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/home/crippen/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase) File "/usr/home/crippen/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 154, in dequeue fp = open(filename) IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/usr/home/crippen/mailman/qfiles/commands/1229763852.582849+9e25777e9465de03f3615d9fdad3976458c49d2c.pck' but nothing like that anywhere around the time of my "We're up, right?" test posts. logs/bounce has no sign of trouble. logs/smtp-failure is empty logs/qrunner says: Dec 20 11:04:22 2008 (5424) ArchRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:22 2008 (5425) BounceRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5430) VirginRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5427) IncomingRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5428) NewsRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5429) OutgoingRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5431) RetryRunner qrunner started. Dec 20 11:04:23 2008 (5426) CommandRunner qrunner started. logs/mischief is empty logs/postfix is empty I'm just lost. It looks like everyone but listowner is getting through: I see replies. I did a quick check_perm, and we're fine.. Help? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech

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Centos + Blue Quartz question - virtual site issue.
by Alex 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

I'm trying to set up Mailman on NuOnce Centos+Blue Quartz site, running into a problem - all emails to the aliases come back as "unknown user". Invitation to join works fine; replying to confirm results in membership. my understanding is that aliases are not being read - how do i fix this one? have successfully set up mailman on centos 5.2 just to see it work - works great! ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to lists.fergula.com.: >>> DATA <<< 553 5.3.0 <testeq-list(a)lists.fergula.com>... No such user here 550 5.1.1 <testeq-list(a)lists.fergula.com>... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) Final-Recipient: RFC822; testeq-list(a)lists.fergula.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; lists.fergula.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.0 <testeq-list(a)lists.fergula.com>... No such user here Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:32:22 -0500 _________ ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to mail.fergula.com.: >>> DATA <<< 553 5.3.0 <testeq-list-owner(a)lists.fergula.com>... No such user here 550 5.1.1 <testeq-list-owner(a)lists.fergula.com>... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) Final-Recipient: RFC822; testeq-list-owner(a)lists.fergula.com Action: failed Status: 5.3.0 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.fergula.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 553 5.3.0 <testeq-list-owner(a)lists.fergula.com>... No such user here Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 05:26:47 -0500

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deleted admins and attachments wouldn't work.
by St John's Webmaster 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

Hi, One day last week, mailman reset the overarching admin password, removed certain people from lists as admins, and suddenly sent out password reminders. And, it wouldn't send out lists attachments. The attachments exits when the moderator sees the message, but are scrubbed after that. No content filtering is active. Please help. 2.1.11cp2 Kind Regards, Patrick Helm

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Spam to list-owner
by Marvin Humphrey 22 Dec '08

22 Dec '08

Greets, I run a couple software support mailing lists on a site that's been around for a decade or so. I'm the only admin, and an avalanche of spam crashes down on me every day. Only subscribers are allowed to post and non-subscriber post attempts are silently discarded, which allows me to avoid the burden of moderating spam addressed to the list. But it's not enough, because I get tons of spam going to the list-owner addresses. Ideally, I'd like to simply turn off the list-owner addresses and get internal notifications (such as oversize moderation messages) sent to a private address. However, I understand that it is not possible to configure Mailman that way. Therefore, I would like to know the easiest way to accomplish these two goals: 1) Eliminate any public reference to the list-owner address, so that there is no implied offer of support. There's the MM-Mailman-Footer for the three public html pages, which I can hand-edit. I think that does it, right? 2) Create a filter for messages sent to list-owner that only passes mail generated by Mailman itself. In a perfect world, I would offer a higher level of support, but my users are sophisticated enough to handle a certain amount of troubleshooting, and my contact information isn't hard for humans to discover. Indeed, those very users would *want* me to lighten my administrative burden so that I can spend more time adding features and fixing bugs. Best, Marvin Humphrey

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Digest Format Change: Possible?
by J.A. Terranson 21 Dec '08

21 Dec '08

Greetings, is it possibe to tar digest and turn this: | Message: 4 | Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:12:18 -0600 (CST) | From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl(a)mfn.org> | Subject: [GasNet] Testing - Please Ignore. | To: ccm-l(a)ccm-l.org, med-events(a)ccm-l.org, med-jokes(a)ccm-l.org, | gasnet(a)ccm-l.org | Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0812201209360.11196(a)mx1.mfn.org> | Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII into this: | Message: 4 | Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:12:18 -0600 (CST) | From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl(a)mfn.org> | Subject: [GasNet] Testing - Please Ignore. <removal of lines 4-6>? Possible????? Thanks, //Alif

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Upgrading rpm mailman from mailman source
by Paul 21 Dec '08

21 Dec '08

I tried yesterday unsuccessfully from upgrade mailman-2.1.5.1-34.rhel4.6 on Centos 4 to the latest 2.1.11 from sourceforge. When I ran "configure" it said I needed to install Python from source or install the Python-devel package, so I installed the python-devel. # yum -y install python-devel Then "configure" said my mailman package path was not in "/usr/local/mailman", which it is not, it is in "/usr/lib/mailman". So, within the unpackaged mailman 2.1.11 dir, I did a global replace to put my path in there: # perl -pi -e 's/usr\/local\/mailman/usr\/lib\/mailman/g' `find ./ -type f` Then "configure" ran successfully, then ran "make", then "make install". All seemed to go well. I did "check_perms" and fixed permissions. started up mailman "service mailman start", and all seemed to be running fine, but now none of my lists showed "lists_lists". My "mm_cfg.py" was untouched. Being in a hurry because I didn't alert any of the lists members of downtime, I freaked out and restored my system. Luckily I just did a full backup of my LVM, so booted up via live CD and restored the LVM from the dump file and was back online. Is there anything special to do when updating from source? I've usually done it from RPM packages. Any pointers? Thanks.

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CC's, replies
by Lindsay Haisley 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Steven, J.A., others, Thank's for some good ideas re. spam management implementation. I do have one request. When you reply to one of my posts on this list, please don't CC me, or reply to me and CC the list. I'm on the list so I get a copy of everything you post. I don't need two of them :-) -- Lindsay Haisley | "We are all broken | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | toasters, but we | available at 512-259-1190 | still manage to make |<http://pubkeys.fmp.com> http://www.fmp.com | toast" | | (Cheryl Dehut) |

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Mailman-Users December 2008