Mailman 3 March 2008 - Mailman-Users

Curious about email confirmations for list owners...
by Glenn Sieb 28 Mar '08

28 Mar '08

Hi List... So I have a list on my box that's about to get a new round of listowners/moderators. I created a list for the new mods/owners to play on, so I can show them how the interface works, etc. It's actually been a great learning experience for all of us, since I've never relied on email commands, I've always used the web commands. Anywho, it's raised a question that I can't really answer for them (they're an eager bunch, but they aren't techies, just everyday folk--just FYI): When confirming the posting of a moderated message via email, "Why doesn't this work the way it says?" (their words, not mine..) My observation: When the post comes through for approval, you an email with two attachments: First part is the web interface link, second (first attachment) the email that's being moderated, and third (second attachment) is how to confirm via email. The problem is--you can't hit "reply" -- this does not work. Even though, to the layperson, it says to do so, since clients like Thunderbird and such show the text attachments inline. This is more pilot-error than anything, but it is confusing for non-techies, admittedly. But, even more of a curiosity--if you open the attached email that says "confirm <confirmationcode>"--and hit reply--*THAT* doesn't work. The Subject: and To: headers are not set correctly. I use Thunderbird, some of the others use T-bird or Outcrack. From what I am gathering from the new mods, this is the same for both. I run a Mac so I don't run Outcrack to test with (nor do I really want to run Outcrack *blecch*). I admit, that this took me three tries to get it right, and that involved just creating a new email, doing a copy/paste of the Subject line and making sure the email went to (listname)-request@... Are I/we doing this wrong? While I wholeheartedly support using the web interface for these things, I can understand why someone would just want to hit <Reply> type in the Approved: listpassword header, and do things that way, as well. I've searched the FAQ, and the archives, but didn't see anything that addressed this. I've told them to just use the web interface, but they're genuinely curious as to how this works, and I'd like to help them understand (no less understand this myself! :-) ) Again, thank you in advance, and I hope this isn't another stupid question like my last one. (I admit I almost didn't send this in tonight, but I want to do right by my users, and if that means I have to eat some crow, ok fine.) Best, --Glenn (Running Mailman since v2.0beta2 ... and proud of it!)

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change url on moved lists
by peter pilsl 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

I just moved a whole sendmail-installation from one server to another. Therefore also the url of the server for the mailman-web-interface changed from server1.com to server2.com. This is no problem for the listoverview and so server2.com/mailman/admin works fine. But then every list listed still points to server1.com and even worse to server1.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listname How can I change this url and path ?? I changed default-settings in mm_cfg.py like DEFAULT_URL_HOST, but this only applies to new lists. But I cant find the settings in the list-configs itself. host_name doesnt seem to be the variable I'm looking for. Where does mailman get the urls that links to the lists in /mailman/listinfo ?? thnx, peter

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not recognized
by Dr. Scott S. Jones 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Dear List: I have the strangest thing happen EVERYTIME I add anyone new, to any list. I receive two messages. The first is a notice indicating the address was successfully added to said list, a la: From: mailman-bounces(a)fyrenice.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:28 -0600 To: sanchiro-patients-owner(a)fyrenice.com Subject: sanchiro-patients subscription notification >From mailman-bounces(a)fyrenice.com Thu Mar 27 15:26:30 2008 Firstname Lastname <firstandlastnames(a)msn.com> has been successfully subscribed to sanchiro-patients. The second looks like the following: From: mailman-bounces(a)fyrenice.com Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:26:36 -0600 To: sanchiro-patients-owner(a)fyrenice.com Subject: Uncaught bounce notification >From mailman-bounces(a)fyrenice.com Thu Mar 27 15:26:37 2008 [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.3K --] The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s). For more information see: http://fyrenice.com/mailman/admin/sanchiro-patients/bounce [-- Attachment #2 --] [-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 2.7K --] From: Mail Delivery System <mail-daemon(a)comcast.net> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:11 +0000 To: sanchiro-patients-bounces(a)fyrenice.com Subject: Delivery status notification [-- Attachment #1 --] [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 8bit, Size: 0.2K --] This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed permanently: * anynamegoeshere-owner(a)msn.com I'd like to know how to reconfigure my installation so that I do not keep generating this error, with the -owner@ on every newly added address. Scott -- "If you can't afford Prevention now, how will you afford disease later?" Sandy Chiropractic Office Dr. Scott S. Jones V: 801.566.5428 MAILING ADDRESS F: 801.858.9300 PO Box 1154 E: scott(a)fyrenice.com Sandy, Utah 84091-1154

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Archiving to 3rd machine
by Mark Heer 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Hello, I'd like to have all archives sent to one system. Currently we use hypermail for this but as we move to mailman it will be necessary to retain this sort of architecture. Can mailman be configured to have mailserver1 and mailserver2 send archives to adminmachine3 ? (all 3 running mailman). One posssibility as noted in the faq is using MHonArc - but could I use similar PUBLIC_EXTERNAL_ARCHIVER configs to point to adminmachine3 using mailman's pipermail? Thank you, Mark

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creating new virtual lists
by billc 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Hi again, I'm still having a little trouble with virtual hosts, but most of it is now working properly. Thanks for all the assistance. What's the correct syntax for Virtual_Hosts {} in Defaults.py? I keep getting errors when I try to put something there. I need to set moderation of new accounts (including any which are subscribed and confirmed from here forward) to OFF. Where is that setting? I see the one to toggle moderation on/off for all current subscribers on the main Membership List page, but that doesn't appear to affect new subscribers. Despite "Mod" being unchecked, all posts from my test subscribers result in an email to the list admin with: As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: xxxxxx(a)xxxxxr.xxx From: xxxxx(a)gmail.com Subject: And another test Reason: Message has implicit destination What does that mean? -- Bill Christensen <http://greenbuilder.com/contact/> Green Building Professionals Directory: <http://directory.greenbuilder.com> Sustainable Building Calendar: <http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/> Green Real Estate: <http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/> Straw Bale Registry: <http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/> Books/videos/software: <http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/>

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Controlling out going messages & Disabling "who <password>"
by Ralf Wiegand 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Mailman-Users(a)python.org Q1: Controlling out going messages I have large groups 60k plus. may are going to yahoo or google accounts. If you send to many at once, yahoo or google will black list you. Is there a way to send out the list email in , say 100 users at a time? Q2:Disabling "who <password>" I noticed you can send an email to mailman-list-request(a)mydomain.com and put into the subject line "who <passwd>" and the list server will send you the list of all people subscribed to this list. How do I disabled this? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents
by Whitcomb, Jeff 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Mark, Thanks for the reply. I guess I forgot to mention that Barracuda is only catching the mail with the Office 2007 attachment if it was sent to a list for delivery. If I send an email directly to another person on campus, not using a list, then the message delivers fine. Jeff Whitcomb Technology Services Manager Member: Staff Advisory Council Cumberland School of Law - Samford University 205-726-4662  Think before you print -----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+jmwhitco=samford.edu(a)python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+jmwhitco=samford.edu@python.org] On Behalf Of mailman-users-request(a)python.org Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:00 AM To: mailman-users(a)python.org Subject: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 49, Issue 49 Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to mailman-users(a)python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailman-users-request(a)python.org You can reach the person managing the list at mailman-users-owner(a)python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: how do I delete a pending subsc request for themailman list (Mark Sapiro) 2. Re: Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents (Mark Sapiro) 3. Re: Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents (Brad Knowles) 4. Re: Mailman does not deliver messages any more (Mark Sapiro) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:49:01 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] how do I delete a pending subsc request for themailman list To: Steve Lindemann <steve(a)marmot.org>, mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <PC1760200803261849010875bb981f6c@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Steve Lindemann wrote: > >> The Mailman(a)marmot.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your >> consideration at: >> >> http://email.marmot.org/mailman/admindb/mailman >> <snip> > >Following the provided link doesn't take me to the usual login page, >instead I end up on the generic listinfo page >(email.marmot.org/mailman/listinfo). > >I can log into the list management interface for the mailman list, but >when I click on the link to "Tend to pending moderator requests" I end >up on the same general listinfo page instead. The underlying problem is in your web server config. Assuming apache, you probably have something like RedirectMatch /mailman[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo This needs to be anchored as in RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo As a workaround, you can go to http://email.marmot.org/mailman/admindb/mailman/x which will work because the 'x' doesn't match in the redirect and it is igmored by the admindb cgi. I don't recall for sure if the subsequent post will work or have the same problem. >I found the controlling file(s) in /var/mailman/lists/mailman... >leastwise the members name and address are in the request.pck file. Can >I simply delete request.pck (and/or request.db) to clear this? Is there >anything else I need to do to clear the pending subscription? Thanks! Yes, you can just delete request.pck (request.db is left over from pre-2.1.5 and is not used). There may also have been a pending subscription in pending.pck, but it's probably expired by now. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 20:03:14 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents To: "Whitcomb, Jeff" <jmwhitco(a)samford.edu>, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <PC1760200803262003140406dcfc0304@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Whitcomb, Jeff wrote: >Has anyone run into issues with the Barracuda SPAM filter catching >emails sent through mailman 2.1.6 with the new Office 2007 format >documents attached? The email admin says Barracuda is seeing the >messages as containing a .zip attachment, not a .docx attachment. We >disabled the .zip filtering temporarily to work around the problem. The >email admin is contacting Barracuda to see if this is there problem, and >I thought I would ping here to see if others might be having the same >problem. OT, but... docx files are zip archives containing a number of xml files, so Barracuda is recognizing the file by its content rather than by extension. Perhaps Barracuda would be willing/able to make their appliance perform a more in depth content analysis to determine if this zip file appears to be a docx or open document or Google Earth .kmz or other known file type which is in fact a zip archive of other files, but apparently they do not currently do this. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:13:25 -0500 From: Brad Knowles <brad(a)shub-internet.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6 and Office 2007 documents To: "Whitcomb, Jeff" <jmwhitco(a)samford.edu>, <mailman-users(a)python.org> Message-ID: <p06240801c410c11e3414(a)[192.168.1.199]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" On 3/26/08, Whitcomb, Jeff wrote: > Has anyone run into issues with the Barracuda SPAM filter catching > emails sent through mailman 2.1.6 with the new Office 2007 format > documents attached? The email admin says Barracuda is seeing the > messages as containing a .zip attachment, not a .docx attachment. We > disabled the .zip filtering temporarily to work around the problem. The > email admin is contacting Barracuda to see if this is there problem, and > I thought I would ping here to see if others might be having the same > problem. Note that .docx *IS* a ZIP file. See <http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=73329>. -- Brad Knowles <brad(a)shub-internet.org> LinkedIn Profile: <http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 21:31:35 -0700 From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman does not deliver messages any more To: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo(a)wpkg.org> Cc: mailman-users(a)python.org Message-ID: <PC17602008032621313502031623502e@msapiro> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Tomasz Chmielewski wrote: > >OutgoingRunner was running, and there were messages in qfiles/out. Other >points from that FAQ entry didn't apply much as well. If there were messages in qfiles/out/, but they weren't being picked up by OutgoingRunner, OutgoingRunner was in some funny state or it may have been hung waiting for a low level SMTP response. >Simply restarting Mailman helped (why didn't I do it in the first place? >I guess I'm just not accustomed to restarting), but I'm still not sure >of the reason it stopped delivering messages. For whatever reason, OoutgongRunner wasn't doing its job. Restarting Mailman got it going again. Possibly something as simple as sending it a SIGHUP would have started it too. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan ------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ End of Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 49, Issue 49 *********************************************

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Changing the From: field
by Dragon 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Stephen Martin sent the message below at 08:06 3/27/2008: >This is a silly thing that should be easy, but I cannot for the life >of me find the setting. I have a list that is now sending all >messages with the list name and e-mail address in the FROM: header. >For example, if the list were named MYLIST and I sent the message, the >FROM: header is "MYLIST [mylist(a)mydomain.tld>" instead of "Stephen >Martin <smartin(a)managementconcepts.com>". This new behavor (with the >list name instead of the sender name) is not what I want (and not what >the list used to do). I want the list to show the actual sender. I >don't know how the configuration got changed, and I can't seem to find >what changed to make it go back to the way it used to be. ---------------- End original message. --------------------- Sounds like this list has been set to be an anonymous list. Check the anonymous_list setting on the main list options page. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Changing the From: field
by Stephen Martin 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

This is a silly thing that should be easy, but I cannot for the life of me find the setting. I have a list that is now sending all messages with the list name and e-mail address in the FROM: header. For example, if the list were named MYLIST and I sent the message, the FROM: header is "MYLIST [mylist(a)mydomain.tld>" instead of "Stephen Martin <smartin(a)managementconcepts.com>". This new behavor (with the list name instead of the sender name) is not what I want (and not what the list used to do). I want the list to show the actual sender. I don't know how the configuration got changed, and I can't seem to find what changed to make it go back to the way it used to be. -- Stephen Martin Director Learning Technologies MANAGEMENTCONCEPTS 8230 Leesburg Pike Vienna, VA 22182 tel 703.270.4096 fax 703.790.1930 smartin(a)managementconcepts.com http://www.managementconcepts.com

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Mailman does not deliver messages any more
by Tomasz Chmielewski 27 Mar '08

27 Mar '08

Recently, Mailman stopped delivering messages to list members, administrators etc. The messages are archived just fine, I can browse them in a web interface, but it looks like Mailman does not want to deliver any message any more. There is nothing interesting in Mailman logs, nothing in mail server logs. The server had a crash recently, but everything else works just fine and I have really no idea what should I look for. Any clues? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://wpkg.org

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