Mailman 3 August 2008 - Mailman-Users

Editing Subscriber Options page html and viewing/checking the results
by Rachel Mawhood 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

This question is about editing the html on the Subscriber Options page. I have begun editing this to give it the same "look and feel" as the rest of the client's web site (as I have already done for the public information page). Is there somewhere, a URL where I can (as Admin) can view the changes I have made in my browser, please? We haven't sent out the first "welcome" message yet, so I don't have a Mailman-generated password, only the Admin one. Thank you. Rachel

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E-Mail arrives as HTML attachment
by Wendy Plotkin 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

My e-mail from one of your lists, sent to the Outlook exchange account I have at my university, always end up as an .html attachment, which I have to click on to read. Is this something related to the configuration of the list, or something at my end? Thanks, Wendy Wendy Plotkin Assistant Professor Department of History (MC 4302) Arizona State University Coor Hall -- Rm. 4547 Tempe, AZ 85287-4302 http://www.public.asu.edu/~wplotkin wendy.plotkin(a)asu.edu (Preferred means of contact) Ph: 480-965-3237 (Office w/Voice Mail-Rarely check) 480-883-2873 (Home Office-Best number to call) 623-688-6124(Wireless-Rarely check)

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line returns missing
by Michael Welch 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

Hi gang. Every now and then, I get messages from the list that display with no line returns. I have seen this happen on this Mailman-Users list, and recall that the problem was that Eudora for Windows did not handle a particular type of charset properly. Now I am getting these occasionally from my own list. I do not recall this happening with anything other than messages from Mailman. None of my list members have complained (yet), but I would love to have your opinion if this is a list problem or my personal email client. Here are the ContentTypes for three of the messages, along with the sender's email client: Original posted by MS Outlook 11 text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Original posted by Yahoo web mail text/plain; charset="utf-8" Original posted by Microsoft Exchange V6.5 text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Thanks for your help and advice. - - - - - - - - - - - - Michael Welch, volunteer Redwood Alliance PO Box 293 Arcata, CA 95518 707-822-7884 mwelch(a)redwoodalliance.org www.redwoodalliance.org

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Periods in user email addresses rejected
by Jay Deiman 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

I just got mailman up and running with Postfix and everything has been working perfectly except when someone tries to subscribe to the list that has a period in the "user" portion of the address. For example: fname.lname(a)domain.org. It gets rejected as an invalid email address by the web interface. First, is this a setting somewhere that can be changed? I've searched through the administrative settings and can't seem to find it. I've also looked through the FAQs and can't find any reference to this issue. I've tried Google, to no avail. I would imagine that I'm not the first to pose this question... Second, if there isn't an actual setting for this, please point me in the direction of the source file responsible for the (what I assume is an) email address regex so I can change this behavior. Thank you, Jay Deiman

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Scheduled downtime for wiki.list.org
by Barry Warsaw 04 Aug '08

04 Aug '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everybody, Just a quick note that Contegix, our hosting provider for the wiki, will be performing a requested upgrade of the server at 0200 EDT on Tuesday, August 5. There is a 2 hour planned downtime for the upgrade. No other Mailman services will be affected. Cheers, - -Barry -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkiXAGQACgkQ2YZpQepbvXGqmQCcCMBn0D5lDTm2e/p066PjMwBN NFIAoJ7B/gzfWGqcNEe0lZOP1o8UbA29 =HCPy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Complaining Outlook users
by Andrew Hodgson 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Hi, Since I moved my list from Freelists to our own server running Mailman (2.1.11), I am getting complaints from Outlook users, and quite a few of them are managing to post messages to the bounce address. When they are viewing the message, it appears to be coming from "listname-bounces(a)domain.com on behalf of Real user", and this also appears in the reply text as well: -----Original Message----- From: blind-sysadmins-bounces(a)lists.hodgsonfamily.org [mailto:blind-sysadmins-bounces@lists.hodgsonfamily.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Hodgson For example. I looked at what Mailman was doing as well as Freelists, and I notice that Freelists add the return-path and sender header as listname(a)freelists.org, and do not use a bounce address at all. I wondered whether VERP would solve my issues, however, on the mailman-users list, I note that it does the same thing in Outlook, except for in this case, the user can see the actual VERP address. Is there any way in Mailman to get the return envelope as the bounce/VERP address, but add the list(a)domain.com address to the sender header instead, as I think this is what Outlook is picking up? I have never had any issues with this in my Outlook, however, it is obviously confusing some people, as I am continuing to have questions about this, plus messages coming at me from the bounce address. Thanks. Andrew.

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Question re: lists in 'accept_these_nonmembers'
by Simon 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Ok, second question... Since I just upgraded to 2.1.11, I'd like to streamline things a little and make use of the ability to add lists to the 'accept_these_nonmembers' filter. My question basically is, what happens if I add a list in the 'accept_these_nonmembers' list, but that list contains another list as well as individual subscribers? From what I can tell, it *looks* like it won't hurt anything, but the members of that nested lists will still have to added individually in order to be accepted. Is this right? Hmmm.. that sounded a little twisted... here's a semi-graphical explanation: Currently, this site uses nested lists, like so (I *will* be changing the current nested list structure to use the new 'Umbrella' structure, but I still want an answer to this question): Lists: accounting administration everyone sales teamleaders etc... teamleaders list members: user1(a)example.com user2(a)example.com sales list members: user3(a)example.com user4(a)example.com teamleaders(a)example.com etc... everyone list members: accounting(a)example.com administration(a)example.com sales(a)example.com etc... Now, currently, each list has the individual (user1(a)example.com, etc) users that aren't actual members added in the 'accept_these_nonmembers' filter. Now, if I add @sales to 'accept_these_nonmembers' for the everyone list and remove all of the individual @sales members, then user3 and user4 will be able to send to everyone, but user3 and user4 will not, even though they are members of teamleaders and teamleaders(a)example.com is a member of sales, I would have to also add @teamleaders to allow user1 and user2 to be able to send to everyone - correct? My main concern is that having a nested list inside a list that is added to the 'accept_these_nonmembers' field of another list won't *break* anything, especially in some way that is not readily apparent... If you read through this convoluted question, then you have more patience than I do... ;) Tia, Simon

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Problem with Underscores
by David Relson 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

I'm running Mailman 2.1.8 and have encountered a problem with email addresses starting with underscores. Using a python script to show list members, the first three members of a list are: 6louisc(a)example.com _santasal(a)example.com a1bformk(a)example.com Using mailman's admin interface, web page http://localhost/mailman/admin/mylist/members has the following: 219 members total, 1 shown [6] A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W Y Z Note that the script shows a user whose name begins with an underscore but the admin interface indicates names beginning with "6" and "A" but none with "_". Is there a patch that fixes this? If not, I'll create one if somebody can point me towards the admin module that determines the "6ABC..." list above? Regards, David

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Re: [Mailman-Users] http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel
by Mark Sapiro 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

Russell Clemings wrote to me off list: > >Maybe I'm misreading it, but I'm not sure this line (among others) is >strictly accurate: > >"6. All of this mumbo-jumbo is why you can't create lists in the normal way >if you're using cpanel, either via the command line or via the Mailman >interface." > >(from http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel) And I didn't write it. My name appears at the bottom of the current article because I happened to make the last (probably very minor) edit to the old FAQ Wizard page before it was moved to the new wiki. Also, the old FAQ Wizard <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py> now redirects to the new wiki so it is not possible to see the edit history of the old page to know who did write it. >>From the command line, I'm able to run: ./newlist >--urlhost=subdomain.domain.tld listname >... and it creates lists without the silly CPanel "listname_domain" naming >convention. As I said, I may be misreading it, but I think the wiki >currently leaves the impression that there's no way to create a list except >through CPanel. The one drawback to doing it my way is that the lists don't >show up in the CPanel interface afterward, but that's a small price to pay. > >In short, I think the caveats on the wiki page apply ONLY to lists created >via the CPanel frontend, not in the shell. The FAQ is a wiki. You are free to create an account, log in and edit the page. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman posting question
by Dragon 01 Aug '08

01 Aug '08

Bill Honneus (honneus) wrote: >Hi, > >I have a Mailman setup integrated with Sendmail on the same server. >When my list sends out posting updates via the bounces address, i.e. >mylist-bounces(a)mydomain.com, one of the recipients is an internal user >defined on the same local server. So my question is, when the >mylist-bounces sends out the updates, do the messages destined for local >addresses go directly to the local address without hitting the outside >or does mailman send all the messages out to the Internet, and then >those messages get routed back to the local machine? This is assuming >that no special routing is set up with Sendmail MTA. > ---------------- End original message. --------------------- MTAs are designed to deliver mail to the correct host based on the MX record for a given domain. So if the MX record for your own domain points to the machine with the MTA Mailman is using, it will deliver it locally on the same server. There is no reason for it to ever be placed on the wire because it has nowhere else to go. In order for it to work as you suggest, another SMTP server would have to serve as an open relay to send it back and that is not such a good idea. It's bad because it wastes bandwidth and because it leaves a big hole open for abuse. Dragon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Venimus, Saltavimus, Bibimus (et naribus canium capti sumus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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