Mailman 3 November 2009 - Mailman-Users

Mandriva Upgrade Woes (as Usual)
by Dennis Putnam 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

Well, as usual, my upgrade of Mandriva to v 2010.0 has broken Mailman. I once again humbly request help. Here is the traceback from 'mailmanctl start': /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead import sha Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/sbin/mailmanctl", line 110, in <module> from Mailman.MailList import MailList File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in <module> from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in <module> from Archiver import * File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in <module> from Mailman import Mailbox File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in <module> import mailbox File "/usr/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in <module> import email.message ImportError: No module named message Thanks. Sigh!

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cannot read moderated posts on iPhone
by Debbie Karimoto 25 Nov '09

25 Nov '09

I had previously been able to easily read posts requiring my moderating attention on my iPhone but recently the sender's message is a mime-attachment icon on my phone and is not readable at all. The host says they did not make any changes, Apple says it is not a problem with my phone yet I still cannot read the posts from my phone. Any ideas? I really must be able to read these moderated posts from my phone sometimes. Thanks, ~Debbie

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Export List
by Norma Jean Mackay 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

find / -name list_members -print Sorry, not good at this, and not very experienced. Trying to figure out how to export our Mailman list to a CSV file on my desktop... Regarding the command above, where do I start? Where do I use it? Thanks so much, Norma Jean

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How to restore a subscribers list.
by Grant Taylor 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

What is the Mailman procedure for restoring a backup copy of subscribers for a mailing list? (Restoring an entire list over top of its self is ok if that is what I need to do.) I have an odd situations that I'm not entirely sure I did not cause my self during a server migration. I think during said migration a list that does bounce processing may have unsubscribed (in mass) 2,000 plus subscribers because of a temporary mail problem. I have a backup (via BackupPC) of all Mailman files going back 30 days and I'd like to know what is the proper procedure to restore an individual mailing list. Grant. . . .

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Revisit to moderator aliases
by Bill Catambay 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

Hi Steve, et al, Awhile back I asked some questions about managing my Mailman list such that it worked like it did back on Autoshare (an old Mac OS 9 listserver). I received some good advice, and have made some great progress in attaining most of my goals. There were still some unresolved issues, but I took a break to let others on the list tackle their problems, and also to let myself digest (no pun intended) the situation for awhile. To recap, I have a mailing list of about 300 members. The reply-to is currently customized to go to one of my personal email addresses (versus the mailmon default address of <foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net>). When I receive the posts, I determine whether the post is appropriate for the list, and if needed, edit out extraneous text (such as excessive quoted material and/or excessive signature lines) as well as profanity or classified information that doesn't belong on the list. I then use Eudora's "redirect" function (keeps headers in tact) to redirect the moderated post to foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net. The two outstanding issues are: 1. After I do the redirect to foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net, the listserver still sends the moderation email back to me, requiring me to approve of the post (despite the fact that the envelope sender is from the list owner/moderator). When the list traffic is slow, this isn't a big issue, but when topics get hot, this becomes a major headache (receive, read, modify, send, receive again, approve). 2. Replies to digest still automatically go to foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net instead of to the customized reply-to address (and there does not appear to be any way to change that). This becomes a mess because now I have a mix of non-moderated posts and moderated posts in the same place, so I have to be careful about which ones I approve. DREAM SOLUTION: I'm looking for a solution that would resolve both these issues. I imagine a solution where I set the reply-to address to foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net, but somehow get the list to send those posts to me intact unmodified (versus getting the Mailman generated moderator emails with all the extraneous stuff and extra headers). Then I perform any necessary modifications, and redirect to the list, with the original heads intact, but have the list recognize the envelope sender and therefore post to the list (rather than bounce back to the moderator). I don't know if the first part of this solution is possible. However, I believe I've already received information that tells me that the 2nd part is not possible because Mailman does not have a "check the envelope sender first" option. Experimentation has shown me that if I send a post to the list, and the FROM sender is not a member, but the envelope sender the moderator (aka, me), it passes it through to the list. However, if the FROM sender is a member (but mod flag turned on), then Mailman holds the post for moderator approval regardless of what the envelope sender is. The FROM sender will always be a member of the list, and I want to keep the FROM sender intact; hence, unless I'm the member posting, it will always be held for moderation. In one of the earlier replies, Steve suggested the following aliases: foo-list: moderator(a)example.com foo-list-moderated: | mailman post foo-list This suggestion sounds a bit like the first part of my "dream" solution above, where I let people post to the list address (instead of the customized reply-to address). The alias would then route the post directly to me rather than to Mailman. Putting aside, for now, how I get this alias set up, I'm still stuck on how I would then get the email posted to the mailing list (since if I send it to the list address, it will just come back to me again). Perhaps that is where the foo-list-moderated alias comes into play? Taking a stab at it, I should ask my ISP to do the following: 1. Set an alias for foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net to go to moderator(a)example.com (my email). 2. Set an alias for foo-list-moderated(a)lists.sonic.net to go to "| mailman post foo-list". Then my steps for moderating the list would be: Receive email at moderator(a)example.com (originally posted to foo-list(a)lists.sonic.net), perform edits as necessary, then redirect the post to foo-list-moderated(a)lists.sonic.net (6 steps down to 3 steps). I did a test email to foo-list-moderated(a)lists.sonic.net, and it was returned as "no such user", so I'm guessing that I'm actually creating a new email alias as part of this solution. Does it sound like I understand the suggestion correctly? And if so, is it the solution that you think I am after? I just want to make sure I'm on the right track before I start poking my ISP for help. THANKS!! Bill

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Call me Don Quixote... :-(
by John 24 Nov '09

24 Nov '09

I have to impossible dream of have *all* the mailing lists on my server work. So far one of the previously working lists continues to evade all methods of retrieving useful debug information... The other lists on the same server/domain currently seem to be OK, so the only conclusion I have is it's the number of subscribers or my provider is blocking emails out. Digests for the problem list still seem to go out every day. The original problem seemed to be RBL related, but that problem has either been solved or well obscured... Server info: Intel(R) Xeon(R)CPU 5110 @ 1.60GHz Red Hat Fedora Core 7, Linux 2.6.9-023stab043.1-smp Parallels Plesk 9.2.3 Mailman 2.1.9 What hasn't worked: * My service provider claimed the info in disable messages was insufficient for debug!? * I tried to bypass bounce processing by changing the list-bounces alias. Plesk fixed the alias. * I reduced the bounce threshold, now people are kicked off sooner. Today's batch of almost 200 disables returned no useful information! All returned: > The triggering bounce notice is attached below. > > Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at > mailman(a)rx7-world.net. > > [disabled by periodic sweep and cull, no message available] * VERP worked a couple times on my test list, but never on the other lists, even though *sometimes* it did send the messages individually from the standard list-bounce address. I set VERP options: VERP_PERSONALIZED_DELIVERIES = Yes VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 * tried to update from 2.1.9 to 2.1.12, but Mailman requires the Python development package. The latest Python won't install for some obscure reason... (Why my PC running Linux has Python dev. and will install Mailman and the server services I *PAY* for won't is a baffling question...) * couldn't find any useful information in the logfiles. Have I mentioned that I'm frustrated and likely have ~450 annoyed list members by now? Not to mention that every piece of SPAM on the planet seems to have no problem finding it's way to <list>-owner@mydomain... :-/ Hopefully someone has a hint that might help me find a resolution to the problem.... John

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Digest cron time
by hone+mailman＠oak.cats.ohiou.edu 23 Nov '09

23 Nov '09

Using Mailman version: 2.1.9 on RedHat The time to deliver digest messages is set to noon. Is this a Mailman choice or a RedHat choice. # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. It seems to me that sometime before 8am would be more logical. It would be interesting to know why noon was chosen. Thanks. Don Hone <http://edirectory.ohio.edu/?$search?uid=hone> Ohio University

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Feature request: Emergency Broadcast
by Bill Catambay 23 Nov '09

23 Nov '09

Given my current situation (as rare as this situation may be), I have come to realize that an emergency broadcast feature would be an indispensable tool to have right now. Since my host made the alias change on my mailing list, but did not create the MX record for the new email, it is currently impossible to post to our mailing list via email. I can't even tell people why the list isn't working. With an emergency broadcast feature on the website (a way to send a message to the list using the Mailman mailing list admin page), I could at least get word to everyone that the mailing list will be down until Monday. Bill

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Mailman current version?
by Christopher Adams 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

I have been using Mailman 2.1.12 for awhile now and am migrating to a different server. When I looked on the website, I found two sources for the Mailman package, Launchpad and Gnu. It says that Gnu tends to lag behind in versions available. In Launchpad, it says the current version is 3.0.0a3 and Gnu has 2.1.12. I am pretty sure that the latter is the most current stable version and I have not seen any posts about a new version, so....? I just want to verify this before moving forward with the migration. -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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List all members of All lists
by Harold Pritchett 21 Nov '09

21 Nov '09

How do I list all of the members of all of my lists. Actually, I need to delete all users from a domain and the command "remove_members --fromall --nouserack" does not accept wildcards. If I can get a list of all users, I can then grep it for the domain name and run remove_members for each of the users which are found. any better ideas? Thanks Harold

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