Mailman 3 June 2009 - Mailman-Users

Internal 500 Error (Ubuntu jaunty / Mailman 2.1.12 / Python 2.6.2)
by Dev Guy 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Hi, I've tried to look this up on the lists, forums, etc. but have failed to find anything that resolves this issue, so forgive me if I have missed a solution mentioned elsewhere. I have recently upgraded my Ubuntu distribution to Jaunty. This upgrade included an upgrade on Mailman, Python and Apache2. I'm currently running the following versions: ii apache2 2.2.11-2ubuntu2.1 Apache HTTP Server metapackage ii apache2-mpm-prefork 2.2.11-2ubuntu2.1 Apache HTTP Server - traditional non-threade ii python2.6 2.6.2-0ubuntu1 An interactive high-level object-oriented la ii listadmin 2.40-2.2 command line mailman moderator queue manipul ii mailman 1:2.1.12-1 Powerful, web-based mailing list manager I have looked through the logs, but nothing seems to indicate anything special, aside from the expressive line: ---- Premature end of script headers: admin ---- In my Apache2 error log file (turned logging to 'debug' level). Running the 'admin' or 'listinfo' scripts from the shell gives me this: ---- # ./listinfo Content-type: text/html <head><title>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12</title></head> <body bgcolor=#ffffff><h2>Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12</h2> <p><h3>We're sorry, we hit a bug!</h3> <p>Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. ----- I ran 'check_perms' and while there were errors it found, they were all fixed. This had no effect on the problem. Mailman appears to be operational otherwise. Emails are sent and received without issues. I can admin the site using the 'listadmin' tools. However, the web interface is completely broken. What am I missing? Thanks! Derek Morrison

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Approve all held?
by Alexx 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Hi list-ees, After googling and searching the list archives, haven't been able to find an answer to: how could I approve all messeages (around hundred of'em) held for moderation due to one reason or another? I could manually approve some of them with "confirm in subject and approved:password message", but there are PLENTY of old ones held for more than 3 days in queue. I suppose it has to be done via /bin/withlist and a script, or is there another solution? TIA, Alexei.

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free Mailman hosting
by Antonio Piu 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Hi all! Does anybody know some free Mailman hosting services? I could not find anything. Thank you for your help. Antonio

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Re: [Mailman-Users] footers and members of the list
by Hal Huntley 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

> Hal Huntley wrote: > > >We have a request from a list administrator asking if he can have the all > >the members of the list listed in the footer of the message. This list is > >under Mailman 2.1.9. > > > >This isn't a "personalization" listing with just the name of the member > >subscribing. He wants all the messages going out to have all the list > >members in the footer. > > > >Is there a variable that can handle that? Or must the list maintainer just > >add the names by hand? He may be content with just names or email > >addresses. > > > No, there is no variable that can handle that, but one could easily put > a link to the list's roster page in the footer which I think would be > much better than putting everyone's address in which raises serious > privacy concerns should such a message be forwarded off list. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/hal%40sofdev.sri.com > > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > === Mark, Thank you for that information. I gave that URL idea a try and if I happened to be logged in as a list administrator for a list, I got a list of members. I also tried getting a roster by going to a ".../mailman/roster/<listname>" of a list I am a member of but was not logged in. I got an "authentication failed." error message. Since one needs to be a member of the list to see the members, that makes sense. One could set the URL to point to the ".../listinfo/<listname>" page where the person could enter their email address and password to get the list members, but I think the list admininstrator wants something a bit easier to get the names. I will share your thoughts with the list administrator about not wanting to do that anyway due to privacy concerns. Excellent point. Hal

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Mailman repetitively trying to drop addresses
by Ralph Prichard 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

We imported about 1000 addresses from an old mailing list into a new Mailman list, and we were hoping Mailman's bounce processing would start removing any addresses that are clearly no longer valid. This is old info; if we've got a bad address, we just want it dropped without any further resuscitation efforts. Here are our bounce processing settings: bounce_processing = Yes bounce_score_threshold = 3.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 21 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = Yes bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = Yes bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = Yes These settings have been adjusted a few times, but not by any radical amount. I'm sure I also inadvertantly dropped the "bounce_score_threshold" from 3.5 to 3.0 while the latest message was still being distributed. However, the previous message exhibited the same problematic behavior I'm seeing today, and the values were all left alone during that period. After messages went out that resulted in bounce scores over the threshold, there were a couple of issues... 1) Mailman tried to send a notification to the bad addresses indicating that they've been dropped from the mailing list. It does so despite the fact that "send_goodbye_msg" is set to "no". So my first question is almost identical to this one: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-August/052688.html Does anyone know how to get the bounce processing system to respect the "send_goodbye_msg" value, while still sending the moderators/list owners notification that an address has been dropped? 2) Mailman tried to drop 2 addresses (out of an apparent list of 55 bad addresses) over and over again, until after 10 attempts, when the BounceRunner stopped. (Nothing at all seemed to happen to the other 53 addresses.) The first notification that the list owners received regarding the drop attempts referenced the actual message that a list member sent. But the next 10 notifications referred to the fact that the "You have been unsubscribed from the 'somelist' mailing list" messages were _also_ bouncing. (Which is another reason I'd like to suppress those messages from ever being sent in the first place.) But back to the failure to drop the address... There are the 11 restarts shown in the qrunner log file: Excerpt from /var/log/mailman/qrunner: ====================================== Jun 22 14:58:16 2009 (2047) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 2073, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jun 22 14:58:16 2009 (4880) BounceRunner qrunner started. Jun 22 15:13:16 2009 (2047) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 4880, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jun 22 15:13:16 2009 (5102) BounceRunner qrunner started. ...7 more occurrences removed (each BounceRunner startup has a different PID, if that's what the number in the bracket represents)... Jun 22 17:13:18 2009 (2047) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 5522, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jun 22 17:13:18 2009 (5574) BounceRunner qrunner started. Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 (2047) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit (pid: 5574, sig: None, sts: 1, class: BounceRunner, slice: 1/1) [restarting] Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 (2047) Qrunner BounceRunner reached maximum restart limit of 10, not restarting. There appears to be more interesting information in other files in /var/log/mailman. I'll include one excerpt from the "errors" file below. If anyone thinks the other information would be handy, please let me know and I'll try to trim it down a bit before sending a copy along. Excerpt from /var/log/mailman/error: ==================================== Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): Traceback (most recent call last): Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 278, in <module> Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): main() Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 238, in main Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): qrunner.run() Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 88, in run Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): self._cleanup() Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 263, in _cleanup Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): BounceMixin._cleanup(self) Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 137, in _cleanup Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): self._register_bounces() Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 125, in _register_bounces Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg, day=day) Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 167, in registerBounce Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): self.setBounceInfo(member, info) Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 362, in setBounceInfo Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): self.__assertIsMember(member) Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 114, in __assertIsMember Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member Jun 22 17:28:18 2009 qrunner(5574): Mailman.Errors . NotAMemberError : userA(a)hotmail.example.com Checking via the web interface for the list, "userA(a)hotmail.example.com" definitely is still a list member. Why can't Mailman drop the address? Every 15 minutes -- according to the bounce log and the messages to the list owners and moderators -- it thinks it's trying. Has anyone seen this before? Ralph

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How to deal with qfiles/bad/*.psv?
by Benjamin Lotto 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

I've been using mailman for several years and have recently moved to a new machine. Something funny happened, and I had a lot of files built up in the qfiles/* directories. I restarted mailman with mailmanctl -s -q start and move everything was cleared out. There are six .psv files in qfiles/bad and I have no idea what to do with them. I've been poking around the web and various documentation and can't figure it out. Help, please? Using Mailman version: 2.1.12 Many thanks, -Ben

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footers and members of the list
by Hal Huntley 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

We have a request from a list administrator asking if he can have the all the members of the list listed in the footer of the message. This list is under Mailman 2.1.9. This isn't a "personalization" listing with just the name of the member subscribing. He wants all the messages going out to have all the list members in the footer. Is there a variable that can handle that? Or must the list maintainer just add the names by hand? He may be content with just names or email addresses. Regards, Hal Huntley SRI International

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List size vs. server memory .. and moderation via command prompt..
by Khalil Abbas 21 Jun '09

21 Jun '09

Dear mailman guys .. 2 questions: 1- does the list members affect the server's memory ? I mean, is it better to split the list to 3 small lists for example rather than put all the members in one big list? 2- is there a way to remove the moderation flag from a certain member via SSH command prompt ?? Thanks .. _________________________________________________________________ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/

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password access for fundfindr Media
by Bret Conkin 19 Jun '09

19 Jun '09

Hi , We lost our network admin guy awhile back and have been unable to figure out how to access the passwords to manage our lists. Despite our requests, he has been uncooperative. http://lists.fundfindr.com/mailman/listinfo/team I am hoping there is a way to reset the passwords. I am getting these messages but cannot approve without password. Can you suggest anything? As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: Team(a)fundfindr.com From: info(a)fundfindr.com Subject: Hot Events - Internet Marketing Conference and Exit Strategy Workshop Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://lists.fundfindr.com/mailman/admindb/team to approve or deny the request. Warmest regards, Bret Conkin CEO, riiPlay Evangelist Angel Forum's Exit Strategy <http://www.riiplay.tv/alpha/afexit/index.php> Workshop - Now Playing at Riiplay.tv e: bret(a)riiplay.tv p: 604.250.9666 www.riiplay.tv <http://www.riiplay.tv/> Follow riiPlay.tv on twitter Blog: fundfindr.tv <http://fundfindr.tv/> www.fundfindr.com <http://www.fundfindr.com/>

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List serv issue
by Canadian Defence Lawyers - Enza 19 Jun '09

19 Jun '09

Hello, I'm hoping you can help me. We run a list serve through Mailman and some of our recent emails have this message: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/cdllawyers/attachments/20090617/95e1752f/attachment-0001.html Can you explain what this is, why it's happening and what we can do to prevent the scrubbing of future emails? Thanks so much Ms. Enza Del Cogliano Canadian Defence Lawyers 830-40 University Avenue Toronto, ON M5J 1T1 T.416.340.9859 enza(a)cdlawyers.org P

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