Mailman 3 August 2009 - Mailman-Users

Bounce processing not working
by Lindsay Haisley 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

I have a list (several lists, actually) running on Mailman 2.1.11 and it looks as if bounce processing is broken. On the list in question, the following are set: bounce_processing = Yes bounce_score_threshold = 1.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 1 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 /var/lib/mailman/logs/bounce shows many entry lines of this form, in sets of 3 as shown below: Aug 11 12:35:24 2009 (19017) listname: user(a)hotmail.com bounce score: 1.0 Aug 11 12:35:24 2009 (19017) listname: user(a)hotmail.com disabling due to bounce score 1.0 >= 1.0 Aug 11 12:35:24 2009 (19017) listname: user(a)hotmail.com deleted after exhausting notices However, looking at the subscription roster or grepping for user(a)hotmail.com using list_members indicates that the user is still subscribed, with no nomail flag set, and no notice is sent to the list owner. I'm running mailman on Gentoo Linux which uses: PREFIX = '/usr/lib64/mailman' VAR_PREFIX = '/var/lib/mailman' Does anyone have any idea how to troubleshoot this? -- Lindsay Haisley | SUPPORT NETWORK NEUTRALITY FMP Computer Services | -------------------------- 512-259-1190 | Boycott Yahoo, RoadRunner, AOL http://www.fmp.com | and Verison

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Postfix vdomains with multiple instances of mailman
by Jeffrey Goldberg 13 Aug '09

13 Aug '09

In trying to get things like pta-board(a)one-domain.example and pta-board(a)second-domain.example to be distinct lists on a site that is hosting both of those domains, I attempted to install multiple instances of Mailman on the same host. That is advice that I saw somewhere on this list. Unfortunately, it is still not working for me. From the web end of things it is actually working fine. Within the virtual domains in the Apache configuration file for each domain, I point to their respective (and distinct) mailman installations. But I am still having problems separating these as far as Postfix is concerned. For one mailman instance, I will have in /usr/local/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org/data/virtual-domains # STANZA START: pta-board # CREATED: Wed Aug 12 17:17:42 2009 pta-board(a)lists.wilson-pta.org pta-board pta-board-admin(a)lists.wilson-pta.org pta-board-admin pta-board-bounces(a)lists.wilson-pta.org pta-board-bounces pta-board-confirm(a)lists.wilson-pta.org pta-board-confirm pta-board-join(a)lists.wilson-pta.org pta-board-join etc. And in /usr/local/mailman/data/virtual-domain # STANZA START: pta-board # CREATED: Fri Mar 30 14:20:25 2007 pta-board(a)lists.shepard-families.org pta-board pta-board-admin(a)lists.shepard-families.org pta-board-admin pta-board-bounces(a)lists.shepard-families.org pta-board-bounces pta-board-confirm(a)lists.shepard-families.org pta-board-confirm pta-board-join(a)lists.shepard-families.org pta-board-join etc. The problem is that right hand side of those, something like pta-board-confirm with no domain at all, should sometimes go to the alias defined in /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases which says pta-board-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces pta-board" But at other times, it should get delivered to the alias specified in /usr/local/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org/data/aliases which says pta-board-confirm: "|/usr/local/mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson- pta.org/mail/mailman confirm pta-board" Anyway, in my set up, it's always going to the first one first (which is listed earlier in postfix/main.cf) Both these aliases files and both virtual-domains files are generated by Mailman. So I don't see where I have scope to fix things. I would like to know how people who have run multiple instances of mailman have managed to keep lists in different namespaces. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/

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Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
by Jeffrey Goldberg 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

I'm posting this to both the mailman-users list and the freebsd-ports list. I realize that not all follow-up will make it to both lists. I would like to set up multiple instances of Mailman on a FreeBSD 7- STABLE system with using Postfix. Looking at the ports Makefile, it appears that if I set MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/domain-for-this-instance everything should work file (plus add FORCE_PACKAGE_REGISTER allow this second instance to be installed.) But when I do % cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman % sudo make -DMM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org - DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install It just installs in the default location, /usr/local/mailman And this paradoxical report of various settings $ sudo make MM_DIR=mailman/vhosts/lists.wilson-pta.org - DFORCE_PKG_REGISTER install ===> Found saved configuration for mailman-2.1.12 You may change the following build options: MM_USERNAME=mailman The username of the Mailman user. MM_USERID=91 The user ID of the Mailman user. MM_GROUPNAME=mailman The group to which the Mailman user will belong. MM_GROUPID=MM_USERID The group ID for the Mailman user. MM_DIR=mailman Mailman will be installed in /usr/local/mailman/vhosts/ lists.wilson-pta.org. CGI_GID=www The group name or id under which your web server executes CGI scripts. IMGDIR=www/icons Icon images will be installed in /usr/local/www/icons. Notice the conflicting information on the line telling me about MM_DIR. Background on the issue As is well known to mailman users, mailman 2.X does not fully deal with virtual mail domains in that, say pta-board(a)lists.shepard-families.org And pta-board(a)lists.wilson-pta.org would have to be the same list. That is mailman does not provide a separate namespace for lists in different domains. The Wiki/FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030604 hints at patches (which I can't seem to locate) and mailing list discussion mentions an alternative of having a separate instance of Mailman for each virtual domain. This later approach seems easier if you don't anticipate having loads of domains. So that is what I intend to do. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple instances of Mailman on FreeBSD
by Jeffrey Goldberg 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

On Aug 12, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Mel Flynn wrote: > On Wednesday 12 August 2009 11:40:47 Bill Moran wrote: >> Were it me, I'd add jails to the system. [...] That's obviously not >> the only way to get what you want, just my >> suggestion. > > And mine. Thank you and Bill for the jail suggestion. I've never played with jails, as I really only have one public IP address available. > FORCE_PKG_REGISTER abuse will hurt you sooner or later. I am living in fear of that. > If you must, then set PKG_DBDIR, PORT_DBDIR and PREFIX correctly. I don't understand the Package and Port databases well enough to actually set them correctly, so I do suspect that I am causing trouble for myself this way. > But things get much easier if you use seperate jails and a postfix > in mailhub mode on the main IP > if you have only one incoming IP. Ah. I hadn't thought of that. I do only have one IP. I hadn't realized that I could set up private addresses on the same host. Would the postfix on the main IP be able to run scripts that are on individual jails? If not, I'd have to set up a listening postfix in each jail which would accept mail forwarded to it only from the main IP. For outgoing mail, mailman can talk SMTP to a "remote" mail server. Another point of confusion with jails is that the HTTP interface for mailman would need to be on the public IP, but would need to access the appropriate mailman data that live within jails. So I really think that unless I can do full jails, each with their own SMTP and HTTP daemons on their own public IPs, this would be very complicated to maintain. But I am only guessing here as I don't really know what can and can't be done easily with jails. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/

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How do I kill a message in the middle of being distributed?
by J.A. Terranson 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

I just had someone post a few dozen 5mb files - since thats the list max size (not that anyone's ever sent even ONE of those before!) - and everything is clogged. I want to clear *everything* and just come up empty. I cant find this in the wiki. Thanks! -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin_at_mfn.org 0xpgp_key_mgmt_is_broken-dont_bother "Never belong to any party, always oppose privileged classes and public plunderers, never lack sympathy with the poor, always remain devoted to the public welfare, never be satisfied with merely printing news, always be drastically independent, never be afraid to attack wrong, whether by predatory plutocracy or predatory poverty." Joseph Pulitzer 1907 Speech

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Users' names on roster page
by Eric Shubert 12 Aug '09

12 Aug '09

I would like to see the users' names (which I know are optional) on the List Subscribers page (http://domain/mailman/roster/list). Is there an option for this that I missed, or would it require a program change? TIA -- -Eric 'shubes'

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Approved: password header!
by Khalil Abbas 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Dear Mailman admins, I have a suggestion for you .. I'm running 42 lists for my clients, I let them use microsoft outlook to send their newletters to their customers and I do the management part .. since someone hacked into one of my lists and started posting to it using the modertor's email address (I posted a message about this before) and you suggested the : 'Approved: Password' header and I seached all over to see how to add a custom header to the damn outlook in vain .. so every day have to approve messages for my clients which is a real pain in the act! my suggestion is, before I had the honor to use outlook I had Smartermail .. they have a cool feature of approving messages with passwords is to use it in the subject line itself : "[password: PASSWORD] Subject bla bla bla".. then it removes the password part of course .. why don't you guys do the same? it sure beats adding a custom header and stuff .. because in html messages it's really hard to do that !! Thanks .. _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windows/windowslive/products/photo-gall…

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Trouble with some messages being scrubbed
by Scott Race 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

I am getting the following message in some of our posts, no content, just: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative

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List Question - who can send to the list
by Magann Orth 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

Is there a way to make the list only allow people who are on the list to send to the list? Also, how do you change the default "reply to" the list moderator? Magann Orth

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicate Messages
by b19141＠anl.gov 10 Aug '09

10 Aug '09

David Andrews <dandrews(a)visi.com> wrote: >I have a problem, and don't know if there is an easy or viable >solution. I run a bunch of lists for an organization, over 150 >lists, about 80 percent public and 20 percent private. Periodically >there are messages that need to go to everyone, or almost >everyone. However, people belong to multiple lists so many people >get duplicate copies of the same message. > >Is there any way to send to everyone, or sub-sets of everyone? Is it >possible to subscribe everybody to an announce-only list, at the same >time they subscribe to their chosen list or lists? Not sure I want >that approach, but an option if possible. If I had to do this, I would do the following: 1) Create a new Mailman list - all-subscribers. 2) Make a list of all subscribers to all lists. I already have a shell script (with awk files) that produces a list every hour that contains lines: Tue Aug 4 13:00:01 CDT 2009 ---------- list1 user1(a)example.com list1 user2(a)example.com ---------- list2 user1(a)example.com list2 user3(a)example.com ---------- I use this file to see if a given address is subscribed to any lists. 3) Extract the e-mail addresses from that list, pipe through "uniq", and save the file. You could do special processing to remove certain addresses from this file. 4) Use that file to ./sync_members -w=no -g=no -d=no -a=no -f FILENAME all-subscribers to synchronize (silently) the membership of the all-subscribers list, which contains all the members of all the lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry S. Finkel Computing and Information Systems Division Argonne National Laboratory Phone: +1 (630) 252-7277 9700 South Cass Avenue Facsimile:+1 (630) 252-4601 Building 222, Room D209 Internet: BSFinkel(a)anl.gov Argonne, IL 60439-4828 IBMMAIL: I1004994

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