Mailman 3 May 2013 - Mailman-Users

no mail delivery to site list
by Larry Kuenning 10 May '13

10 May '13

Unlike Francesco's problem, my site list does exist (it was given as part of the pre-installed Mailman on my Linux VPS from Network Solutions), and after some trouble I've gotten it to put its configuration pages at the right URL (lists.mydomain), to list me as the owner (instead of noreply(a)networksolutions.com), and to let me in with a password of my own devising. But mail doesn't get delivered to it. Mail to mailman@mydomain lands in my catchall mailbox, where all the spam for unknown users goes. This doesn't happen to my regular mailing lists, which I created on this server using Plesk (which came preinstalled). (These lists existed on my previous server but were managed by different mailing list software.) Only after setting up my regular lists did I find there was supposed to be a "site list" called mailman@mydomain. I realize this may conceivably be a Postfix issue, or even a Plesk issue, but I thought someone here might be able to guess the answer. My own guess, as far as it goes, is that the problem has something to do with this server being set up to host multiple virtual domains, and with the site list having been created by Network Solutions before I installed my own virtual domain. I've thought of deleting the existing site list and recreating it through Plesk, since I know that lists created through Plesk work. I'm reluctant to try this since it would create an interval when the site list doesn't exist at all, and I've read that Mailman refuses to operate at all under those conditions. Anyway I would rather know how to find whatever is misconfigured about the present site list. My VPS is running GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.18-028stab101.1 on some kind of x86_64 (data reported by uname). From the generic hardware name and the fact that they call it a VPS I suppose this is a virtual machine running on some more powerful kind of hardware. Thanks, -- Larry Kuenning larry(a)qhpress.org

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nightly_htdig failing ...
by Odhiambo Washington 09 May '13

09 May '13

For a few days now, I am getting my nightly htdig failing. When I check the permissions on mailman home, of course I find problems with permissions, but this has not been happening previously. I haven't changed anything on this system for ages, except during upgrades. root@gw:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./check_perms directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/attachments/20130508 directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/attachments/20130509 Problems found: 2 Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix root@gw:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./check_perms -f directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/attachments/20130508 (fixing) directory permissions must be 02775: /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/attachments/20130509 (fixing) Problems found: 2 Re-run as mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix root@gw:/usr/local/mailman/bin # ./check_perms -f No problems found root@gw:/usr/local/mailman/bin # Any ideas what could be causing this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cron Daemon <mailman@gw> Date: 9 May 2013 06:04 Subject: Cron <mailman@gw> /usr/local/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/nightly_htdig To: mailman@gw mv: rename /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/htdig/root2word.db to /usr/local/share/htdig/common/root2word.db: Operation not permitted mv: rename /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/htdig/word2root.db to /usr/local/share/htdig/common/word2root.db: Operation not permitted mv: rename /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/kictanet/htdig/synonyms.db to /usr/local/share/htdig/common/synonyms.db: Operation not permitted -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 "I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler."

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Withlist with python module to change all lists to non-advertised
by Christopher Adams 08 May '13

08 May '13

I have been tasked to look into modifying all existing lists to be non-advertised. I have some knowledge of how withlist works with python. Has anyone created a module for use with python taht will accomplish this. I may have to get in and learn python again. Many thanks.... -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Site list is missing: mailman
by gnugo 08 May '13

08 May '13

Hi I tried the following [root@h1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman [...] List already exists: mailman [root@h1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/rmlist mailman Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. Removing list info [root@h1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/newlist mailman Enter the email of the person running the list: xxxx(a)xxx.xx Initial mailman password: Hit enter to notify mailman owner... [root@h1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 607, in <module> main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 426, in main check_for_site_list() File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl", line 326, in check_for_site_list sitelist = MailList(sitelistname, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 639, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 605, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck' [root@h1 ~]# ls -ls /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck 4 -rw-rw---- 1 root mailman 3702 May 6 15:14 /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck [root@h1 ~]# chown mailman /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck [root@h1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start Site list is missing: mailman I tried the same on a normal filesystem (ext4) and all went well, so I'm suspecting that the issue is related to some locking problem. cheers francesco On 04/25/2013 05:37 PM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > cd /irafs0/mailman/bin > ./check_perms -f > ./check_perms > ./newlist mailman > > If it says the list exists, you can remove it and recreate - > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/site-list.html > I see no harm in doing that. > > > On 24 April 2013 17:02, cesco<hrd(a)email.it> wrote: >> Hi >> >> on a RHEL6.4 with mailman-2.1.12-18 on amd64, I'm trying to run mailman with >> all his /var/lib/mailman stuff (archives, data, lists, spam)stored on a >> lustre 2.1.5 filesystem. >> >> when I try to start mailman (either '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start' >> or '/etc/init.d/mailman start') it says: >> >> Site list is missing: mailman >> >> and in /var/log/mailman/error >> >> Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) IOError reading list extension: [Errno 13] >> Permission denied: '/irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/extend.py' >> Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 mailmanctl(30798): Site list is missing: mailman >> Apr 24 15:53:17 2013 (30798) Site list is missing: mailman >> >> VAR_PREFIX is set to '/irafs0/mailman' in both Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py for >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/925502 >> >> ls -ls /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck >> 4 -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 3763 Apr 23 12:00 >> /irafs0/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck >> >> I'm suspecting that can be some lock problem. I tried to mount the lustre >> volume with nolock, localflock and flock, but nothing changes. >> >> any hints? >> thank >> >> francesco >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> Unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/odhiambo%40gmail.com > > >

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Tangential encryption issue, FWIW
by Lindsay Haisley 08 May '13

08 May '13

Pursuant to a conversation I had on this list last year, I did develop a patch and application for AES encryption of the address of the posting subscriber and the list name and poking the result into the Resent-Message-ID. This is a patch against MM 2.1.15, not against the v3 development tree. I know I did suggest that I intended to put together some suggested code which would implement this in v3, but as they say, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions. I have a lot on my plate. If anyone would like a copy of my work, it's pretty simple, and if someone wants to pick up the ball and put it into MM3 they have my blessing. Let me know. -- Lindsay Haisley | "We have met the enemy and he is us." FMP Computer Services | 512-259-1190 | -- Pogo http://www.fmp.com |

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Mass Mail
by Javad Hoseini-Nopendar 08 May '13

08 May '13

Hi there I have a few questions about sending very large masses of email messages. I should remind that I don't want to do that for spamming purpose, but only because a friend is asking me about that over and over:Assume a mailing list with 200,000 members. For simplification purpose, Suppose all the members are from Gmail accounts. Now I send an email to this mailing list and the size of email is 1KB. I have 3 questions now: 1- This email will consume 1Kb of my website's monthly bandwidth or 200,000KB (200GB)? I mean my website's server sends the emails one by one or for example delivers all of them to google and google takes over the rest of work? 2- If that email consumes 200GB of my monthly bandwidth, while my monthly bandwidth limit is only 8GB, sending that one email will explode and break down my whole website or it will just give me an error that this number is higher than allowed bandwidth? 3- Assume all the members have been subscribed by the list owner, not by their own, but at the footer of all the emails it is explained to them how they can unsubscribe from the list. If I send an email to 200,000 Gmail recepients at a time, Gmail won't send my website or my IP to the black list of Spammers? Best Regards

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How does Mailman determine what thread does a given message belong to?
by Krylov Ivan 07 May '13

07 May '13

Hi! I'm running a mailing list with several webmail client users who chose to receive digests. How should they properly send replies, so they get in the proper thread? Moderator of mailman-users(a)python.org suggested me to write a proper Subject: > People can reply to the digest and just change the Subject: and edit > out the irrelevant quotes; But when I tried simulating this behaviour by writing to <mylistaddress>@<mylistdomain> with Subject: being "Re: [<my list name>] <The thread I wanted to reply to>", I ended up creating a new thread. This probably was a mistake, and Mailman is able to determine which thread to put reply to by combination of Subject: and In-Reply-To: headers, but I am not completely sure. Also another user replied to the digest she received without changing the Subject: (which was also a mistake), and this also caused creating a new thread. Can somebody please point me at the logic which Mailman uses to determine the target thread of a given message? Does it only look for In-Reply-To: header, or it uses some heuristics which can be used by digested webmail users? Best regards, Ivan.

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Mailman security question
by Lindsay Haisley 07 May '13

07 May '13

Is there any support in any version of Mailman for total end to end message security? This would involve being able to send, say, a GPG (or PGP) encrypted post to a list, using the list's public key, having the list decrypt it, and then repost it to all subscribers, encrypted for each using their respective public keys. Granted that such a facility would be a system resources suck of an order of magnitude greater than a simple, unencrypted list, however I can see that it might well be useful in some cases. It would also, in the current political climate, doubtless be deemed to be something close to a national security threat, and even discussing the idea might attract DHS attention. I do recall that some years ago that Phil Zimmerman, who invented PGP, was the subject of a criminal investigation since the PGP algorithm was deemed by the US government to be "weapon" subject to export controls. -- Lindsay Haisley | "Behold! Our way lies through a FMP Computer Services | dark wood whence in which 512-259-1190 | weirdness may wallow!” http://www.fmp.com | --Beauregard

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HELP
by Dave Foran 03 May '13

03 May '13

I have an issue and I am confused on how to fix the problem I have root access and I can not create a new list from the web site Any ideas ???? Dave -- Dave Foran Internet ONLY: <mailto:dave@hamnet.org> dave(a)hamnet.org Cruise Missile Coordinates 41.36.46N 81.25.53W

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unsubscribe problem
by Brian Canty 03 May '13

03 May '13

I have removed all my subscribers from a list, but 2 of them will not unsubscribe. Does anyone know of any way I can get to the raw subscription list and manually remove them? Thanks in advance. Brian Canty Manager, Computer Information Services American Psychoanalytic Association (212) 752-0450 x17 www.apsa.org

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