Mailman 3 November 2014 - Mailman-Users

mailman and httpd vhost
by Igor Gnatenko 08 Nov '14

08 Nov '14

Hey, I've installed mailman and I'm trying to get webUI. Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) mailman-2.1.18.1-1.fc20.x86_64 I have nginx as reverse proxy and vhost in apache for mailman. /etc/nginx/conf.d/apache-proxy.conf server { listen 80 default_server; server_name web.clanwars.org mm.clanwars.org; location / { proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; proxy_set_header Host $host; client_max_body_size 512M; proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8080; } location ~ /\.ht { deny all; } } /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf <VirtualHost *:8080> ServerName clanwars.org ServerAlias mm.clanwars.org ServerAdmin i.gnatenko.brain(a)gmail.com <Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/> AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Require all granted </Directory> <Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public> Options MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Require all granted AddDefaultCharset Off </Directory> </VirtualHost> ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ ScriptAlias mm.clanwars.org:8080 /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ # Uncomment the following line, replacing www.example.com with your server's # name, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ http://mm.clanwars.org/mailman/listinfo Trying to open mm.clanwars.org/mailman, mm.clanwars.org:8080/mailman Always - "Not Found" The requested URL /mailman was not found on this server. In logs nothing interesting. 217.26.6.9 - - [08/Nov/2014:17:22:48 +0300] "GET /mailman HTTP/1.1" 404 205 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/33.0" "-" /var/log/audit/audit.log is empty. SELinux in Enforcing state. Thoughts? -- -Igor Gnatenko

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Unsubscribe Using Web Form
by Greg Sims 08 Nov '14

08 Nov '14

Hey Mark, Subscribe / Unsubscribe works well for the normal case thanks to your help. (1) When I Unsubscribe an email address that does not exist, the result of Posting the form is: -------- Bug in Mailman version 2.1.12 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. --------- The error log is: Nov 07 16:41:51 2014 admin(385): @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ admin(385): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.12 -----] admin(385): [----- Traceback ------] admin(385): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main admin(385): main() admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/options.py", line 495, in main admin(385): user, 'via the member options page', userack=1) admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1007, in DeleteMember admin(385): self.ApprovedDeleteMember(name, whence, admin_notif, userack) admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 1023, in ApprovedDeleteMember admin(385): self.removeMember(emailaddr) admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 221, in removeMember admin(385): self.__assertIsMember(member) admin(385): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/OldStyleMemberships.py", line 114, in __assertIsMember admin(385): raise Errors.NotAMemberError, member admin(385): NotAMemberError: x(a)y.com The backtrace ends in a "NotAMemberError" which is exactly what happened. The "result" from the POST seems to be a bit off. I need to determine the difference between success and failure looking the the result of the POST. "we hit a bug!" is kind of a funny thing to match against. (2) It appears that the Subscription sequence always returns the contents of the file "subscribe.html". Is this in fact always the case? I tried to subscribe to email address "foo" and did not receive an error -- even though this is not a valid email address. I suppose I could validate the email address format with my PHP code and provide user feedback. (3) It appears the Unsubscribe sequence I created allows for anyone to unsubscribe anyone else -- all they need to know is an email address that is subscribed to the list. This is as a result of using the list admin password in my PHP code. I wish there was a way to pass the email address and password of the subscriber from a non-digest email to my PHP code via POST. I tried turning personalization on. It does not seem to be possible to place a <form> in the footer (or header?) of the email. It also appears that mailman does not replace symbols in the body of an email. This led me to believe the only way to accomplish passing the email address and password via POST is by writing a custom mailman filter that replaces the symbols -- likely in the body of an email. It there a simple way to get the subscribers password (and email address but less important) via POST from a non-digest email to my PHP code? This ensures that someone using my Web Form can only unsubscribe the email address of a mailman email they received (or have access to). (4) When I get this all sorted out, would you like me to write it up for a FAQ or something? I would be happy to do this if you believe it is worthwhile. Thanks Mark! Greg

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Unsubscribe Using Web Form
by Greg Sims 07 Nov '14

07 Nov '14

Hi Mark, We are making good progress on our project thanks to your help a couple of weeks ago. The Subscribe portion of the process is working and the text is being translated into Chinese. I'm struggling with the Unsubscribe portion of the project. I extended the webform but can't get it to work. My goal is for our users to use the same web page to subscribe to and unsubscribe from the list with a minimum number of interactions. I understand the need for the two stage subscription process with email confirmation -- this is required (and working). I would like the Unsubscribe to be one click and done. http://www.raystedman.org/daily-devotions/chinese-subscription Please note the user has no idea they have a system generated password -- this is as it should be to keep things simple. Most of our users are older and only have the skills to deal with minimal user complexity. We need to keep things simple as a result. Thanks in advance for your help, Greg PS. I looked at the Drupal extension for Mailman. It carries too much overhead for large size lists. We already have a mailman list with 10,000 users and hope to double this number next year. We can't afford to have a Drupal user account for each of these users.

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set the same password if a user owns several lists?
by gerard 07 Nov '14

07 Nov '14

Hello all, i have mailman 2.1.8. Users own several lists, and they often lost their password to moderate the list. Is it possible to retrieve a form of the password of one list, to put it in another list? like we do with shadow passwords in unix system? i don't need to retrieve the password, just the encrypted form. With python shell, i try to look at file Mailman/Cgi/options.py. The Web interface told me that: "Sem-edp list run by me at example.org" but when i did: >>> user 'me(a)example.org' >>> mlist.isMember(user) 0 >>> mlist.GetOwnerEmail() 'sem-edp-owner(a)example.org' is it normal? I also find mlist.password thats returns something encrypted, is it what i need? thanks in advance for help, -- Gérard Henry

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Archiving : 2 Questions
by John Young 07 Nov '14

07 Nov '14

Hiya, I’m brand new to this list and was hoping for some direction. I’ve read through a heap of archives but can’t quite find the correct answers (or am searching for the wrong terms!) 1 - We want to enable private archiving on all of our mailman lists. Some already have archiving , most don’t. But we want this enabled on all so we have the ability to go through the postings. 2 - We want to purge all our existing archives older than a certain date. Kind regards John

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FW: Spamassassin content preview ending up posted to list
by Peter Shute 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

Sorry, I forgot to Cc the list. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Shute Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014 12:49 PM To: 'Mark Sapiro' Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Spamassassin content preview ending up posted to list The dot was missing in the X-Ham-Report header but not in the message body in the moderation notice. It was missing from both in the message the list sent out, which made me think the list thought the content preview in the X-Ham-Report header was the message, and discarded the rest. I received the moderation notice via Exchange/Outlook, so I'm not sure there isn't more to it that I can't see. Outlook will only show me the headers, not the whole raw message. In an attempt to get a raw message for you to look at, I opened the message attached tot he moderation notice, then used Outlook's Resend option to send it to my gmail account. Below is what gmail calls the "original message". However, you'll notice that there is no X-Ham-Report header! I'm assuming Outlook/Exchange or gmail stripped it out on the way to my gmail mailbox. So I've added the headers I see in Outlook below the full message. It might be that Outlook/Exchange has totally rewritten the headers and content, so apologies if that's the case. The difference between these and what arrived from the list is that it's plain text only, and the URL mentioned hase changed from: http://sunshinecoastbirds.blogspot.com.au/2014/11/yandina-creek-wetlands-an… to: http://sunshinecoastbirdsblogspot.com.au/2014/11/yandina-creek-wetlands-and… Note that the first dot in the URL has gone. The only place I can see a matching URL is in the content preview. Delivered-To: xxx22(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.217.2.18 with SMTP id o18csp37651wes; Wed, 5 Nov 2014 14:41:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.68.211.193 with SMTP id ne1mr168364pbc.49.1415227268221; Wed, 05 Nov 2014 14:41:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <xxx(a)nuw.org.au> Received: from NUWVICMS2.nuw.org.au (mailout.nuw.org.au. [202.183.101.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rg11si4172892pdb.142.2014.11.05.14.41.06 for <xxx22(a)gmail.com> (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2014 14:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: none (google.com: xxx(a)nuw.org.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=202.183.101.44; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: xxx(a)nuw.org.au does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=xxx(a)nuw.org.au Received: from NUWVICMS2.nuw.org.au ([192.168.0.36]) by nuwvicms2 ([192.168.0.36]) with mapi; Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:41:03 +1100 From: Peter Shute <xxx(a)nuw.org.au> To: "'xxx22(a)gmail.com'" <xxx22(a)gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 09:41:02 +1100 Subject: Lewin's Rail, Spotless Crake and other Good Birds at Threatened Sunshine Coast Wetland Thread-Topic: Lewin's Rail, Spotless Crake and other Good Birds at Threatened Sunshine Coast Wetland Thread-Index: Ac/4qG3uhKgRA3eBQdqoWtgYFONxDQ== Message-ID: <C2F1879073AE7347BAB44065F143E17001826088F7@nuwvicms2> Reply-To: Greg yyy <yyy(a)westnet.com.au> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ironport-av: E=Sophos;i="5.07,317,1413216000"; 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Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:27:23 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah8LAJiYWVQKAiw6/2dsb2JhbABbgkhGVFkEgjK4XQaTWohlFgEBAQEBfYN5M24GAQk1AkIdG4gjAQETDqJGhzWIDYcBjjSGN41XgVQFhiKLf2KDb485A44ygVMBYIFWKy8BgUeBAwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.07,317,1413216000"; d="scan'208,217";a="377715616" Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([10.2.44.58]) by icp-osb-irony-out4.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 05 Nov 2014 11:27:17 +0800 Message-ID: <0e7de907fab48b1832d57dd6d35803a847068db6(a)webmail.westnet.com.au> From: "Greg Roberts" <ninderry(a)westnet.com.au> Reply-To: "Greg Roberts" <ninderry(a)westnet.com.au> To: "birding-aus" <birding-aus(a)birding-aus.org> X-Mailer: Atmail 6.6.0.13042 X-Originating-IP: 124.150.99.243 Subject: Lewin's Rail, Spotless Crake and other Good Birds at Threatened Sunshine Coast Wetland Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:27:17 +1000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_bf3f4cd6b721f8d50a7e7df8a17b7a9d" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Bar: / X-Ham-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "cloud3.emwd.com", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see root\@localhost for details. Content preview: I heard or saw 5 Lewin's Rails and 12 Spotless Crakes today at a newly discovered wetland at Yandina Creek on the Sunshine Coast. Other good birds about included Black-necked Stork, Red-necked Avocet, Little Grassbird and a free-flying Mallard; genuinely wild Mallards are rare in south-east Queensland. This extensive area of grassland and wetland has enormous potential but is threatened by development. The Sunshine Coast Regional Council is being urged to purchase some of the privately owned land to conserve and manage the wetlands. See here for pictures, further information and a link where people can contact the mayor if they want to see the area protected: http://sunshinecoastbirdsblogspot.com.au/2014/11/yandina-creek-wetlands-and… Greg Roberts? [...] Content analysis details: (-0.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [203.59.1.232 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 1.0 KAM_LIVE blogspot.com & livejournal.com likely spam (Apr 2010) X-Spam-Flag: NO > -----Original Message----- > From: Mailman-Users > [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+pshute=nuw.org.au@python.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro > Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2014 11:39 AM > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Spamassassin content preview ending up > posted to list > > On 11/05/2014 01:03 PM, Peter Shute wrote: > > > > Looking at the original message in the moderation alert > email, it looks ok to me, but I can see that the dot has been dropped > in the content preview in the X-Ham-Report header which I think > spamassassin has inserted. This header has multiple lines, including > blank lines, and I'm wondering if it's confusing mailman. > > > So, if I understand correctly, the missing dot is only in an > X-Ham-Report header. Was this header correct in the moderation notice? > > Or are you saying that the dot was present in the body of the > message in the held message notice, but not in the body of > the delivered message? > > It would help if you could post the entire RAW message that > was attached to the held message notice (address obfuscation > OK) and point out how this differs from the message delivered > to the list. > > In any case, Mailman (actually the underlying Python library) > might possibly unfold and refold the X-Ham-Report header, but > other than that, it should be untouched and have no effect on Mailman. > > Is it possible that the original message in the held notice > was multipart/alternative with text/plain and text/html > alternatives, and you saw the text/html alternative which was > correct, but this was removed by Mailman's content filtering > collapse_alternatives leaving the text/plain part which > wasn't? If that's the case, blame the user's MUA (if it's > Yahoo, it's almost certainly the culprit). > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: > http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/pshute%4 0nuw.org.au >

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Spamassassin content preview ending up posted to list
by Peter Shute 06 Nov '14

06 Nov '14

I had a complaint yesterday that a URL in a posting to our list had become corrupted - one of the dots in the domain name had been dropped. Looking at the original message in the moderation alert email, it looks ok to me, but I can see that the dot has been dropped in the content preview in the X-Ham-Report header which I think spamassassin has inserted. This header has multiple lines, including blank lines, and I'm wondering if it's confusing mailman. Has anyone else seen this, and is there a way to stop it happening? Peter Shute

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Archive not woring on Debian install
by Olivier Nicole 05 Nov '14

05 Nov '14

Hi, I am new to mailman (as a site admin) and I cannot find out how to get the archive running on my debian/postfix/mailman installation. The list works fine, but it seems that no crontab is working. If I try to manually sudo -u list /usr/lib/mailman/cron/mailpasswds is sends no password reminder. I must be forgetting something very obvious, But I can't see what it is. Thanks in advance, Olivier --

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Archive merge and search
by Hal 04 Nov '14

04 Nov '14

I run a low volume mailing list which has previously been run by Majordomo list software, but was transferred flawlessly by my tech-guy to the Mailman platform. I have a couple of questions related to the mail archives and searching within them. My tech can handle the actual installing etc. on the server, but with limited time I'm doing the research first, so I have a few questions: 1) I now have two separate list archives: the old Majordomo (monthly) archive and the new Mailman archive (not sure yet how it's organized/located but assume it's going by the default settings. How do I merge the Majordomo archives with Mailman's current archives? 2) I also have a website associated with the mailing list which has a simple search function for the old Majordomo archives. It also has a basic filter for munging email addresses. As I'm rebuilding the website I want a more efficient and up-to-date search function which searches simultaneously through the website and mailing list archive. I've been told that one which uses a database (PostgreSQL, SQLite etc.) is benefitial. Also, the archive-filter should be more advanced (I don't need the email headers/footers to show up in the search results), and finally it would be nice to have the relevant results show a whole list-thread on the searched subject to show up as opposed to just separate messages/and the website results, so people can follow a relevant discussion on whatever they've searched. Can someone suggest a search script which will allow me to do this? It seems to be a real challenge to find something which is up-to-date, still supported and working well if you don't want to use Google's local search feature. Thanks :-) Hal

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config.pck files
by Christopher Adams 04 Nov '14

04 Nov '14

Hello all, A list that is hosted here reported that the membership list and other settings had reverted to previous content. I took a look at the files and see this: -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14526 Oct 30 08:00 config.pck -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 48950 Sep 29 13:15 config.pck.corrupt -rw-rw---- 1 mailman mailman 14526 Oct 30 08:00 config.pck.last -rw-rw---- 1 apache mailman 49499 Sep 29 16:38 config.pck.safety It looks like the config.pck file was corrupt. Just for clarification, what are the other config.pck* files ? Since teh config.pck.safety looks like it is much larger in size, and I ran ./dumpdb to read it and it appears to be more current data, I am thinking that I can use it to overwrite the config.pck, which apparently was used because the file was corrupt. Can someone explain how these files work when the file becomes corrupt? Can I just copy the config.pck.safety to config.pck ? Many thanks -- Christopher Adams adamsca(a)gmail.com

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