Mailman-Users June 2014

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51 discussions

A DMARC munging issue ... ?
by Malcolm Austen 27 Jun '14

27 Jun '14

I won't call this a bug but I think it's an issue :-) This is with 2.1.18-1 which my provider updated to a few weeks ago. I have (via the GUI sender filters) dmarc_moderation_action set to 'munge from' and yet a post from aol.com went through unmunged (and caused 100+ subscribers to be disabled). I think (but may be wrong) the problem is that I also have(had) a spam filter set to catch all posts from ISPs with a bad spam/hacking/leaking history. This holds everything that matches: ^from:.*(aol|yahoo|hotmail|btinternet|btopenworld).* So, it appears to me that being held by this spam filter and then released by a moderator results in the message escaping the DMARC munging :-( My guess is that this is a natural consequence of the ordering of processing actions in the pipeline rather than a bug but it would be good to have confirmation from those who know the code. Thanks in advance, Malcolm. -- Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen(a)weald.org.uk> GENUKI trustee <genuki(a)weald.org.uk> Oxfordshire FHS webmaster <webmaster(a)ofhs.org.uk> PUG chairman <chairman(a)pugweb.org.uk> FFHS Communications Officer <communications(a)ffhs.org.uk>

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"Mailman CGI error!!! Operation not permitted" - after upgrading Apache to 2.4
by Tomasz Chmielewski 26 Jun '14

26 Jun '14

I've updated Apache to 2.4, and my mailman installation refuses to work with the following information: Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Operation not permitted The only things I see in logs is basically the same as above: Jun 25 11:59:37 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (listinfo): Operation not permitted Jun 25 12:01:15 web1 Mailman cgi-wrapper (admin): Operation not permitted I've tried stracing Apache process to see where it might get permission issues, but I don't see anything like it. Does anyone have a clue how to fix it? -- Tomasz Chmielewski http://www.sslrack.com

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
by willi uebelherr 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear friends, now i think, it is clear. The feature "duplicate suppression" is a fix mechanism. I will wait for the answers of the people from the mailman-users list, what the say about. But in Gmail with a user configuration never i can resolve the problem. The mailman server never want to support the change of message-id. And as a user never i can do it. Only with a second user subscribing. My next alternative is to use GMX in Germany or any other non-non-neutral mailserver. I ordered the mails in inverse chronical order. many greetings, willi Panama City -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 09:56:13 -0700 (PDT) Von: bkennelly via Gmail Help Forum No, you cannot turn off duplicate suppression. Gmail follows the RFCs and treats the Message-ID as globally unique for a particular version of the message. According to RFC5322, changing the Message-ID is the correct way to identify a new revision of the message. In regards to the added headers, it states: The addition of such header fields does not change the identity of the message and therefore the original "Message-ID:" field is retained. In all cases, it is the meaning that the sender of the message wishes to convey (i.e., *whether this is the same message or a different **message*) that *determines whether or not the "Message-ID:" field **changes, *not any particular syntactic difference that appears (or does not appear) in the message. In other words, if you consider the message sent from the mailing list to be a different message, change the Message-ID. Keeping the Message-ID signals that it is the same message, and Gmail will suppress it as a duplicate. It should not affect message threading or other functions. (Threading is based on headers referencing previous messages, which are not changing. Changing the ID on the new message doesn't affect any of those headers.) If you don't want to change the Message-ID, you can subscribe another address to the list to get all of the messages. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr via Gmail Help Forum Dear bkennelly, i thought, that gmail use the message-id for compare. But the mail i send is different to the mail i receive. The mailheader is extended. And this information is always necessary for me. To change the message-id is a bad way because the message-id are used for thread ordering in the mail directory. And many internal functions are working based on the message-id. My primary question goes to the possibility, how i can define or enable/disable this delete function in this account. many greetings, willi Panama City -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Von: bkennelly via Gmail Help Forum Gmail only stores one copy of each message in your account. If you sent the message, you already have a copy and the incoming copy is recognised as a duplicate. If your mailing list software has the option to change the Message-ID when re-sending messages, Gmail will recognise the returning message as a new version and you will get it in your Inbox. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr An: gmail(a)googleproductforums.com Dear friends, the gmail-server blocked email to my account. Not as spam. No, as any else. If i send a mail to a maillistserver for distribution, i want to receive this mail from the listserver. But google stopped this mail without my request and without any information to me. In the mailman-configuration i can set this option. But then, it have to work transparently and never i accept any hidden mail deleting. many greetings, willi Panama City

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Internet Message Format: Identification Fields
by willi uebelherr 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

Dear friends, following the RFC 5322 all identification fields are optional. But they SHOULD have it. Of course, sometimes we need it. RFC 5322: Internet Message Format http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322 We have min 3 fields: message-id in-reply-to references With that, we can create all ordering of mails based on a thread. I think, it would be never a problem to use a new (little changed) message-id, because if the listserver send the mail, he changed it. And consequently, he create a new message-id (but for himself and for tracking it can be a modification of the original message-id). In the discussion on this list Mark and other people args, this would lead to a big confusion for the different mail clients. Is that true? I don't have the necessary oversight. But i think, you have it. The easest way would be a configuratin point for the user to decide, that his sended mail get a new message-id, if the listserver changed it when he send the mail. And this he always do it. many greetings, willi Panama City

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DMARC
by Barry S. Finkel 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

I have in one of my mailboxes a scam from June 10 that has From: Chase Notification <admin(a)enews.sbmedianews.com> In the web MUA I use for this account, only the display name Chase Notification is shown on the screen as the sender. DMARC obviously will not help in this case. I have no idea if the scammers are now avoiding using an e-mail address ".....(a)chase.com" because the address is not shown as the sender in some MUAs. --Barry Finkel

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DMARC handler
by Ron Guerin 25 Jun '14

25 Jun '14

I'm struggling to find a palatable solution to the configuration of a list, and the new Yahoo-style DMARC problem. The list has mung on, as well as Reply-To: set to the list. The end result is nowhere does the original sender's address appear in the messages, when having them readily visible is the desired behavior. I was wondering about asking someone to make a Mailman handler that would re-write the From: address after munging to: Jane Doe (jane(a)example.com) via listname <list(a)example.net> My question now is, is there any reason why re-writing it this way would be a bad idea? - Ron

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Scrub_nondigest questions
by Peter Shute 24 Jun '14

24 Jun '14

We're considering enabling the scrub_nondigest option for our list. The aim is to allow members to send jpg files to the list (currently filtered) and have mailman include a link to them in messages instead of the actual attachment. I've got a few questions about how this works. I believe it will store the scrubbed images in the archives. We have archiving turned off. Do we need to turn them on to allow the images to be placed there, or will it happen anyway? Once we have images stored in the archives, how easy is it for members to access them when they click on the links in the messages? Will they need a password to see them? Will we be able to selectively delete images when our disk space begins to fill up? Or will they all be stored in a single archive file? We're using cpanel, if that matters. If anyone who's using this option could forward me a message from their list with a linked image so I can check how well it works, that would be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPad

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Add member to multiple lists
by Hung Phan 24 Jun '14

24 Jun '14

We use the add_members command to add members into a list. For members, we can create a file and include more than one. Is there something similar for lists? We want to add members into more than one list. Thank you,

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Bounces not being detected
by Peter Fraser 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

Hi AllI have mailman-2.1.17 running on FreeBSD 9.1 along with postfix-2.11.0,1 I noticed that bad email addresses were not being cleared out so I downloaded get_bounce_info.py,saved it and ran it. No bounce info was displayed.I checked the postfix logs and the bounce info was there. A bit from the logs is below: status=bounced (host bla bla .com[x.x.x.x] said: 550 5.7.1 No mailbox found (in reply to RCPT TO command)) Shouldn't mailman detect these bounces? Does mailman detect from the smtp logs or some other method? Thanks for any help received.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [discuss] configuration of the maillist server from 1net.org
by willi uebelherr 23 Jun '14

23 Jun '14

Dear friends, i send you a small communication with google. This technican people are realy very stupid. I wait for a reply to my more concrete question. But i think, Google don't like this public disgracing. many greetings, willi Panama City -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 11:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr An: gmail(a)googleproductforums.com Dear friends, the gmail-server blocked email to my account. Not as spam. No, as any else. If i send a mail to a maillistserver for distribution, i want to receive this mail from the listserver. But google stopped this mail without my request and without any information to me. In the mailman-configuration i can set this option. But then, it have to work transparently and never i accept any hidden mail deleting. many greetings, willi Panama City -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Von: bkennelly via Gmail Help Forum Gmail only stores one copy of each message in your account. If you sent the message, you already have a copy and the incoming copy is recognised as a duplicate. If your mailing list software has the option to change the Message-ID when re-sending messages, Gmail will recognise the returning message as a new version and you will get it in your Inbox. -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: [Gmail Forum] Re: Not receiving email from groups Datum: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Von: Willi übelherr via Gmail Help Forum Dear bkennelly, i thought, that gmail use the message-id for compare. But the mail i send is different to the mail i receive. The mailheader is extended. And this information is always necessary for me. To change the message-id is a bad way because the message-id are used for thread ordering in the mail directory. And many internal functions are working based on the message-id. My primary question goes to the possibility, how i can define or enable/disable this delete function in this account. many greetings, willi Panama City

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