Mailman 3 August 2014 - Mailman-Users

Fwd: Mailing list lag to SOME users
by Kevin Carpenter 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Hi all. Been casually fighting a problem for a couple of months now and have finally decided to ask for help. I have a somewhat large mailing list, about 1700 users, that is generally working just fine. However, some users are seeing LONG delays (like 4+ hours) on mail delivery while other users, in the same organization, get sub-minute delivery. Specifically, the step 6 delay in the header analysis below is typically 2 seconds. In the header analysis below please note that mail.seaplace.org and spoe.seaplace.org are just two names (DNS A records) pointing to the same box. The postfix main.cf mydestination parameter includes both. I highly suspect this is something within Postfix and hope the list's extensive experience might help. Thanks in advance, Kevin Second: --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

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I'm Stuck
by Anthony (N2KI) 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

Tried to start mailman and this is what I get. Not sure how to proceed. It appears that is is looking for a list names mailman but I do not know how to create it. pi@raspberrypi ~ $ /etc/init.d/mailman start Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 122, in <module> main() File "/var/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists", line 94, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 650, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 615, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck' [warn] Site list for mailman missing (looking for list named 'mailman'). ... (warning). [warn] Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start. ... (warning). pi@raspberrypi ~ $ Regards, Anthony

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Mailman On Raspbian
by Anthony (N2KI) 21 Aug '14

21 Aug '14

I am installing Mailman on a Pi. after I installed via the repository I got this message but do not know how to proceed with this request. Thanks for any help to get this operational. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: > ## mailman mailing list > mailman: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman" > mailman-admin: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman admin mailman" > mailman-bounces: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" > mailman-confirm: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman confirm mailman" > mailman-join: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman join mailman" > mailman-leave: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman leave mailman" > mailman-owner: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman owner mailman" > mailman-request: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman request mailman" > mailman-subscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe mailman" > mailman-unsubscribe: "|/var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe mailman" > > Hit enter to notify mailman owner... Regards, Anthony

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Munging and iOS Mail display of senders' display names
by Peter Shute 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

We've recently enabled munging with 2.1.18-1. I think it's already been documented that this causes problems for iOS Mail users where they can no longer see who originally sent the messages. I've discovered that there's a bit more to it than that, at least in iOS 7.1.2, so I'm posting this in case others run into it. If the email is from "John Smith via list-name <list-name(a)list-address.com> and if the device owner has *not* created a Contact for list-name(a)list-address.com on their device, then they'll see at least the left hand part of "John Smith via list-name" as the sender in the mail list and also in the From: header when they open the email. But if they *have* created a Contact for the list address, they'll only see the name they entered for it in both the mail list and in open emails. The result is conflicting reports from iOS users about whether iPhones/iPad can display who sent a list email or not. Experimenting with this, I tried altering the list address in the Contacts by adding an x on the end of it so that the Mail app wouldn't find it. Surprisingly that only made the app display "John Smith via list-name" in open emails. It continued to display the Contact name of the list in the mail list. It wasn't until I added an x in front of the address that it also displayed the sender's display name in the mail list. Peter Shute

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Redacted Email Address in Feedback Loop
by Peter Knowles 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Hi, What is the best way to deal with feedback loop messages where the provider has redacted the email address of the party who filed the complaint? Does Mailman have any built in methods on dealing with this issue? At the moment we "force" a custom footer on all messages which includes the recipients email address, and the list they belong to, but recently a few ISPs have even been redacting data in that part of the message. Thanks in advance! Best Regards, Peter Knowles TPN Solutions Email: pknowles(a)tpnsolutions.com Phone: 604-229-0715 Skype: tpnsupport Website: http://www.tpnsolutions.com

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This is new
by Mark J Bradakis 17 Aug '14

17 Aug '14

S I finally decide to sit down and try to figure out why http://www.team.net/mailman/admin and http://autox.team.net/mailman/admin return different results, even though it is the same machine. Checking on some list configs, I do bin/config_list -o - <listname> and get this from one list, but not others: [...] # href="?VARHELP=privacy/sender/dmarc_moderation_action"> # dmarc_moderation_action applies to this message with an action other # than Accept, that action rather than this is applied Traceback (most recent call last): File "./config_list", line 364, in <module> main() File "./config_list", line 357, in main do_output(listname, outfile) File "./config_list", line 128, in do_output do_list_categories(mlist, k, None, outfp) File "./config_list", line 180, in do_list_categories value = getattr(mlist, varname) File "/local/mailman/teamnet/Mailman/MailList.py", line 146, in __getattr__ raise AttributeError, name AttributeError: from_is_list So I go to the admin page for that list and get the "We've hit a bug page." Fun. Any quick fixes to the config.pck file? mjb.

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Bug in Mailman version 2.1.15
by Richard Ibbotson 16 Aug '14

16 Aug '14

Hi I know that this has been going around the internet lately. I've done the usual web search. Not really found anything that might work for me. I've installed a CentOS 7 web server. I'm building a site around it. Mailman is my list management software. I've used it for more than ten years. Would like to keep using it. After installing the standard CentOS 7 package with yum I did..... 'cd /usr/lib/mailman' and 'bin/update'. This installed Mailman 2.1.15. Which then told me after 'service mailman start' ... " Bug in Mailman version 2.1.15. We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. " Alright. So, I've stopped knocking my head against the desk now. /var/log/messages says... " Aug 15 16:15:01 localhost systemd: Started Session 452 of user mailman. Aug 15 16:20:01 localhost systemd: Created slice user-41.slice. Aug 15 16:20:01 localhost systemd: Starting Session 453 of user mailman. Aug 15 16:20:01 localhost systemd: Started Session 453 of user mailman. Aug 15 16:23:50 localhost systemd: Stopping GNU Mailing List Manager.." /var/log/mailman/error says.... admin(14216): [----- Mailman Version: 2.1.15 -----] admin(14216): [----- Traceback ------] admin(14216): Traceback (most recent call last): admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/scripts/driver", line 112, in run_main admin(14216): main() admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py", line 104, in main admin(14216): cgidata.getvalue('adminpw', '')): admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 234, in WebAuthenticate admin(14216): ok = self.CheckCookie(ac, user) admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 327, in CheckCookie admin(14216): return self.__checkone(c, authcontext, user) admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 333, in __checkone admin(14216): key, secret = self.AuthContextInfo(authcontext, user) admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/SecurityManager.py", line 121, in AuthContextInfo admin(14216): sitepass = Utils.get_global_password() admin(14216): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py", line 410, in get_global_password admin(14216): fp = open(filename) admin(14216): IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/etc/mailman/adm.pw' admin(14216): [----- Python Information -----] admin(14216): sys.version = 2.7.5 (default, Jun 17 2014, 18:11:42) Can anyone make a suggestion as to how to get this to work for me ? Perhaps I can just completely remove mailman and reinstall from the default CentOS 7 package ? Is there a downgrade option so that I could fix it that way ? -- Richard Sheffield UK https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1

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Welcome email text file strips carriage returns
by David Law 16 Aug '14

16 Aug '14

> >>/ Having a problem with the "Welcome email text file". > / > Is the recipient using Outlook with the "Remove extra line breaks in plain text messages" box checked? Thanks for the responses. I'm running FireFox Thunderbird that doesn't appear to have that type of setting, if it does, doesn't have an option to turn on/off. > Did you follow the "(Details for welcome_msg)" link? If you do, I think > the details there will answer your question No, that's from the General Options page, I've not added anything to the "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" box so didn't associate it with what I'm working on the "Welcome email text file" page (admin URL ending in /subscribeack.txt) which has no info link to any wrap rules. Seems the rules used on the "List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message" box are also used on the contents of what you add to "Welcome email text file" page. Note that this text will be wrapped, according to the following rules: * Each paragraph is filled so that no line is longer than 70 characters. * Any line that begins with whitespace is not filled. * A blank line separates paragraphs. So the solution was add a space before the text of any line you don't want to have carriage returns stripped, like: line 1 line 2 line 3 Got it sorted :-) Thanks again. David Law -- Stallion Responsive the Best WordPress SEO Package Online http://stallion-theme.co.uk/stallion-responsive-theme/ /<http://stallion-theme.co.uk/stallion-responsive-theme/> /

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Welcome email text file strips carriage returns
by David Law 15 Aug '14

15 Aug '14

Just started using Mailman for a notification mailing list and still in the setup phase. Running Mailman 2.1.18-1 under Virtualmin/Webmin (has a module) on Centos 6.4. Wrote a tutorial how to upgrade when installed using Virtualmin at http://stallion-theme.co.uk/how-to-upgrade-mailman-mailing-list-tutorial/ Having a problem with the "Welcome email text file". When I add something like line 1 line 2 line 3 It's being converted to line 1 line 2 line 3 And this line 1 line 2 line 3 Converted to line 1 line 2 line 3 Basically stripping out single carriage returns. Found a way around this for paragraphs (second example) by adding an space between paragraphs (space character) line 1 < space line 2 < space line 3 < space But not for example 1. Have tried things like \n and \r, extra spaces, tabs, but nothing I've tried keeps several lines of text in a block. Is there a character that's counted as a carriage return? David Law -- Stallion Responsive the Best WordPress SEO Package Online http://stallion-theme.co.uk/stallion-responsive-theme/

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Can't submit administrative requests when forcing HTTPS
by Jeroen de Neef 15 Aug '14

15 Aug '14

Hi there, I would like forced HTTPS on my Mailman installation, and I have tried to use the following in my httpd.conf RewriteEngine on RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off [NC] RewriteRule ^/mailman(/.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/mailman$1 [L,R=permanent] But if I use that I can't submit administrative requests anymore, because when I submit them it just returns back to them and nothing has changed. Does anyone have a solution to my problem? Kind regards, Jeroen de Neef

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