Mailman 3 July 2015 - Mailman-Users

Unsure what to do with web page "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.20"
by Teijo 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

Hello, After updating from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 (Apache 2.2 to 2.4), only page content I seem to get is "Bug in Mailman version 2.1.20". No matter if I navigate to my Mailman's main page or to the given list's page. One problem is that there seems to be nothing useful in error log, although I set loglevel to debug. I have chrooted Apache some years ago, and it's still chrooted. I have not noticed any other problems with Mailman after server update. Best, Teijo

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merging 2 mailing lists
by Laura Creighton 07 Jul '15

07 Jul '15

2 somebodies I know want to merge their mailing lists. They are both lists for recipes for people who have impaired kidney function. A complication is that these lists are hosted on different machines, with completely different names, etc. But picking a third name and setting things up so that posters to both old names get their mail sent to the third place, while receiving a message informing them to use the new address seems to work in testing. The problem is with the archives. They want to change the footers in each of the old list messages to say 'this was posted to old_list, use new_list instead if you want to post a new message' and point to the new archives. I can write a script to do that. But then, having modified the footers they want to store the 2 past archives as 1 archive, so that people who search the thing will get hits wherever the old article was posted. I don't see any out-of-the-box solutions, am I missing something? Laura

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Full List of Lists
by McNutt Jr, William R 06 Jul '15

06 Jul '15

Is there a report or accepted technique that I can use to get a list of all the lists on my server, even the unadvertised ones? Bill

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maiman3 demo and VM?
by Sylvain Viart 05 Jul '15

05 Jul '15

Hi, Could you point me to some mailman3 online demo, please? I would like to play with turnkey <https://www.turnkeylinux.org/> VM image, I discovered recently, may be it will be a good challenge to have a working mailman3 image in that format? Is there a wiki page or something uptodate with such way how to quickly setup such visualized environment? Regards, Sylvain.

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Unable to access Mailman Web interface
by Steve Matzura 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

If I browse to http://{my-node.my-domain.com}/mailman/admin, I get the following: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.18-1 Bug in Mailman version 2.1.18-1 We're sorry, we hit a bug! Please inform the webmaster for this site of this problem. Printing of traceback and other system information has been explicitly inhibited, but the webmaster can find this information in the Mailman error logs. If that's supposed to be /var/log/mailman/error, the only thing in there is what I posted in my previous message. Maybe the two are related?

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Nightly Messages Show Problems
by Steve Matzura 04 Jul '15

04 Jul '15

I guess things are getting better with my new mailman implementation, as I received nine messages overnight I've never gotten before. four are Errno 13 permission denied, five only contain one line: /bin/sh: mailman: command not found The subject fields of these five all begin with the same text telling me they're from Mailman at my node, etc. The rest of the subject field for each message was this: /usr/lib/mailman/cron/cull_bad_shunt /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip Here are the four Errno13 messages: Subject: Cron <mailman@{mynode}> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip From: "(Cron Daemon)" <mailman(a){mydomain.com}> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 158, in <module> main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/nightly_gzip", line 114, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 655, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 620, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck' Subject: Cron <mailman@{mynode}> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs From: "(Cron Daemon)" <mailman(a){mydomain.com}> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 211, in <module> main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/checkdbs", line 87, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(name) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lock/mailman/mailman.lock.{mynode}.Mydomain.com}.3681.0' Subject: Cron <mailman@{mynode}> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled From: "(Cron Daemon)" <mailman(a){mydomain.com}> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 09:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled", line 227, in <module> main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/disabled", line 150, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock self.__write() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lock/mailman/mailman.lock.{mynode}.{mydomain.com}.4471.0' Subject: Cron <mailman@{mynode}> /usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests From: "(Cron Daemon)" <mailman(a){mydomain.com}> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 12:00:02 +0000 (UTC) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 106, in <module> main() File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests", line 84, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=0) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__ self.Load() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 655, in Load dict, e = self.__load(file) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 620, in __load fp = open(dbfile) IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck' Thinking a run of check_perms might help, I did so and got (then fixed) this one error, which I reran with -f to fix: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.pyc bad group (has: root, expected mailman) (fixing) Not wanting to overload the list with diagnostics, hope this is sufficient to start. More info on request of course.

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Mailman 2.1.18-1 not respecting add_virtualhost
by Chris Miller 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

Hello, we recently updated our (vhost patched) Mailman installation from 2.1.14 to 2.1.18-1 (https://launchpad.net/~msapiro) in order to workaround Yahoo's recent change to their SPF policy that this version addresses. Virtual mailing list hosting worked fine up until this upgrade. Here is an example of our mm_cfg.py : VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear() DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.ourdomain.com' DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.ourdomain.com' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = On add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('list.customerdomain.com', 'customerdomain.com') If we change the default values above and run the below command, the available mailing lists move from the old default to the new. bin/withlist -l -a -r fix_url -- All add_virtualhost configuration lines are ignored. Since withlist is able to read the changes in our mm_cfg.py, this does not strike me as an issue with our configure options which were limited : ./configure --prefix=/usr/lib/mailman --with-var-prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache I am unaware of a method we can use to further debug this, such as a command that would effectively dump out Mailman's configuration options, thus validating if it is even reading the add_virtualhost configuration lines. -- Regards, Chris Chris Miller President - Rocket Scientist ScratchSpace Inc. (831) 621-7928 http://www.scratchspace.com

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Permissions error
by Steve Matzura 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I have a new Mailman implementation connected to Postfix which is in turn connected to Dovecot. These two components are working correctly, as I have mailboxes set up with them and have created a test Mailman mailing list and received confirmation that it has in fact been created. Now I'm attempting to subscribe a test user in the normal way, by sending an email to {list-name}-subscribe(a)MyDomain.com. I have not received a subscription confirmation, but the following information from /var/log/mailman/error shows a problem: Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): Traceback (most recent call last): Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 293, in <module> Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): main() Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): File "/usr/lib/mailman/cron/gate_news", line 268, in main Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): lock.lock(timeout=0.5) Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 243, in lock Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): self.__write() Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 422, in __write Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): fp = open(self.__tmpfname, 'w') Jul 02 14:15:01 2015 gate_news(18693): IOError : [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lock/mailman/gate_news.lock.{my-system-name}.{MyDomain.com}.18693.0' Here are the directory permissions: drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 80 Jul 2 13:57 mailman lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 Sep 14 2012 lock -> ../run/lock I also receive messages like these about every fifteen minutes in /var/log/mailman/bounce: Jul 02 14:42:12 2015 (1308) post to mailman from mailman-owner(a){my-domain.com}, size=1736, message-id=<mailman.53.1435726803.13146.mailman(a){my-domain.com}>, 1 failures Jul 02 14:42:16 2015 (1308) post to mailman from mailman-owner(a){my-domain.com}, size=1733, message-id=<mailman.98.1435726804.13146.mailman(a){my-domain.com}>, 1 failures Thanks in advance for any assistance. I suspect it's something I've overlooked.

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Sub-lists
by Ron Webb 03 Jul '15

03 Jul '15

I am looking to set-up a mailing list for a group of people but was hoping there is a way to have sub-lists. For example, I'd like to have one group be everyone, then another group that is regional. I was thinking of " group-all(a)mydomain.com" for messages covering everyone but they could send a message to "group-sacramento(a)mydomain.com" to and it will only go to those that are interested in "Sacramento" specific messages. I would like to make subscribers opt-in or opt-out of the regional. At this point, I have not selected a hosting service yet. I wish to bring my own domain to wherever I choose. I'm not sure if someone that just advertises that they use Mailman is sufficient or if I need to find a hosting company that provides shell access for setup is what I need. I'm sure there is some Wiki or something if this sub-lists works but I must be using the wrong search term for what I want. Another thing that is important for me is I do NOT want to archive or cache messages, at least for not much more than a day. For me, I work for a large corporation. While it is a large corporation, those of us wishing this list are like bastard step-children. We work with others from the same corporation but we operate under completely different rules and a different hierarchy. We seldom see each other because there is usually only one of us working in an area at a time and we are spread out geographically. We are represented by the same union that the majority of the employees of the corporation are represented by, but since we do not have a common work area, we have no way of having "water-cooler talk". As it is "water-cooler talk", we do not wish it to be officially a part of the union nor the corporation. If there is any concern about something said, as the facilitator of communications, I wish to just say I do not save communications. If a group member wishes to save something, that is up to them, as is the case with how we are doing email now. I will also wish to add some type of disclaimer that no one will probably give it much thought, but it will state that statements made are the of the sole responsibility of the author of the statement and they are not the official opinion of the corporation nor the union and the maintainer of the list does not archive messages. I'm sure I'll come up with much better wording than that but I'm sure you get the gist. I'm just hoping I've found the right product and can receive some advice from those that have set up lists.

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HTML footers in multipart emails
by Yiannis Pericleous 02 Jul '15

02 Jul '15

Hi, I have a multipart (html and text) email and I wish to add an unsubscribe footer to it. However mailman appends the footer as a new section that is plain text. Is there a way of making the footer section text/html. If not, any other way to include the unsubscribe link in the html part of the email? thanks yiannis

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