Mailman 3 January 2016 - Mailman-Users

Looking for a server
by Skip Montanaro 24 Jan '16

24 Jan '16

I've not hosted a mailman list in a long while. I'm trying to help some folks migrate a list with ten years of archives and no current subscribers just to make the archives indexable by the various search engines. I see the list of hosting services on wiki.list.org, but I'd appreciate actual recommendations (or pointers to prioritized lists), not an unprioritized list. Thanks, Skip Montanaro

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MacOS 10.6 ->OS X Server 5.x (=10.11.x)
by Matthias Schmidt 24 Jan '16

24 Jan '16

Hello, I’m currently running a 10.6.8 Server installation with a couple of mailman 2.x mailing lists („Apple’s mailman“ + virtual domains). Works great :-) since iOS9 and MacOS 10.11 were published some things are not working anymore via SSL (WebDAV etc) anymore. So I’m thinking about updating the box. The current version of OS X Server 5 doesn’t ship with mailman anymore. Therefore I was thinking to upgrade mailman to v3. Did anybody upgrade mailman from v2 (apple) to version 3 in connection with an OS update? If so, how did it go and what’s best practice? (I did google before, but no results showed up - sorry, if that has been discussed before and I couldn’t find it) thanks and cheers Matthias

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Persistent spam source!
by Lindsay Haisley 24 Jan '16

24 Jan '16

I got the following from one of my list admins. Any suggestions as to what might be going on? I've verified that the address in question is indeed on the discard_these_nonmembers list and that the problem address isn't already subscribed. ---- So we keep getting spam postings from jeffrey(a)elespectaddor.com caught in the "needs approval" filter. He's not a member. I've added him to the non-member filter under "List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded" and banned him from membership. But half a dozen times a day we're still getting requests to approve a spam posting when the options I've set up are to discard anything from him. How are these slipping through? And is there anything we can do about it? It's not a disaster, but it sure is a pain. ---- Our MM version is 2.1.18-1. -- Lindsay Haisley | "The first casualty when war comes is truth" FMP Computer Servces | 512-259-1190 | -- Hiram W Johnson http://www.fmp.com |

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Re: [Mailman-Users] diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge
by Mark Sapiro 23 Jan '16

23 Jan '16

On 01/20/2016 04:23 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Mark Sapiro writes: > > > In any case, the From: I see is > > > > From: valérie via List1 <list1(a)msapiro.net> > > > > which is technically not valid because it contains a non-ascii > > character, but even so, the message with that exact From: header is > > accepted by Yahoo and delivered to my Yahoo address. > > Really? It's not that you're looking at this in your MUA and it's > being silently MIME-encoded and -decoded at the MTA/MUA boundary? > ISTR that Yahoo! is quite sensitive to non-ASCII headers. Really. In my initial test, I sent from mutt and mutt kindly RFC2047 encoded the name for me, so I switched to testing using Mailman's bin/inject to post the raw message from a file, and I looked at the raw message source of the message I received in my Yahoo inbox and the header is From: valÃ©rie via List1 <list1(a)msapiro.net> where Ã© is the utf-8 encoding of e-acute. > One thing I've seen is this: > > in MUA UI: From: auser(a)example.com (non-ASCII display name) > > on the wire: From: auser(a)example.com =?utf-8?Q?(non-ASCII display name)?= > > which gets bounced at many sites because the MIME-word hides the > comment delimiters from the receiver's parser, which typically rejects > with "= not allowed here" or something like that. Is it possible that > Mailman is doing something like that? Yes, I see where that would be an issue, but as far as Mailman is concerned, this would only be an issue if the incoming post had that From: header. With a message containing From: auser(a)example.com =?utf-8?Q?(non-ASCII_display_name)?= the code Mailman uses to parse the From: will return 'non-ASCII_display_name' as the display name and 'auser(a)example.com=?utf-8?Q??=' as the address. This is clearly wrong, but then the the encoded header is not RFC2047 compliant. RFC 2047, sec 5(2) is clear that an encoded-word in a comment does not include the parentheses. It defines comment as comment = "(" *(ctext / quoted-pair / comment / encoded-word) ")" Mailman would never create a header like that. -- Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Themeing/Skining Mailman
by Leo Francisco 22 Jan '16

22 Jan '16

Hi all, I was just wondering how easy it is to theme Mailman? I haven’t access to an installation that I can poke around in myself. Is it simple HTML/CSS or is it a more complicated prospect? Thanks in advance Leo

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diacritics in from header with from_is_list set to munge
by gabriel 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

hello, i just noticed several times now that a bunch of users (most of them subscribed with their yahoo email address) get bounced off my list when the senders address contains diacritical marks in their additional text field describing the name e.g From: "valérie" <valerie(a)somesomain.com> the problem here occurs when setting /munge from/ in from_is_list. the text between the quotes is merged with the string "via " and then the name of the list e.g. From: "valérie via mylist <this(a)is.my.list>" but in mailman 2.1.20 this merging breaks presumably because of the character encoding. what happens is that the From string in the mailman list header is no longer a valid email address but two totally mixed up. the then have the list name split accross both addresses and the domain is not correct either. this obviously violates yahoo's dmarc policy and therefore users start to bounce. what can i do? thanks in advance, gabriel

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Configuration
by Brian Canty 20 Jan '16

20 Jan '16

Hello Everyone - It seems that a lot of my emails are being converted to attachments and I was wondering if there is a setting that I am missing. Any help is appreciated. Sincerely, Brian Canty Computer Information Systems The American Psychoanalytic Association 309 East 49th St., New York, NY 10017 212-752-0450 ext. 17 | apsa.org<http://www.apsa.org/> [https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQ7Kib3E-SNRpX6f3JkeB…]<https://twitter.com/psychoanalysis_> [https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRk4KOTDFQ-zOC0x0HiCqz…] <https://www.facebook.com/American.psychoanalysis> [cid:image003.png@01D152C0.F460FB50]<http://www.apsa.org/>

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Installing Mailman3 on FreeBSD
by Odhiambo Washington 19 Jan '16

19 Jan '16

My intention is to install MM3 on FreeBSD and integrate it with Exim as the MTA. Now, it looks like FreeBSD isn't the OS of choice for many Mailman developers and users. This has been my wish since the beta versions but I have never succeeded, either because of getting frustrated midway and putting the effort in abbeyance or just because there are no resources to help guide me. Today I googled and found http://mailman-bundler.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ So I am trying that out and I get stuck once again! (venv)(14:06:31 </opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler>) 0 # pip install zc.buildout You are using pip version 7.0.3, however version 7.1.2 is available. You should consider upgrading via the 'pip install --upgrade pip' command. Collecting zc.buildout Using cached zc.buildout-2.5.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl Requirement already satisfied (use --upgrade to upgrade): setuptools>=8.0 in /opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages (from zc.buildout) Installing collected packages: zc.buildout Successfully installed zc.buildout-2.5.0 (venv)(14:06:44 </opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler>) 0 # buildout Creating directory '/opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler/eggs'. Creating directory '/opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler/bin'. Creating directory '/opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler/parts'. Creating directory '/opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler/develop-eggs'. Develop: '/opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler/.' warning: no files found matching '*.in' under directory 'mailman_bundler' warning: no files found matching '*.in' under directory 'deployment' warning: no files found matching 'deployment/mailman-web.logrotate.conf' While: Installing. Getting section main. Initializing section main. Getting option main:eggs. Getting section mailman-web. Initializing section mailman-web. Installing recipe djangorecipe. Getting distribution for 'djangorecipe'. An internal error occurred due to a bug in either zc.buildout or in a recipe being used: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1992, in main getattr(buildout, command)(args) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 550, in install [self[part]['recipe'] for part in install_parts] File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1135, in __getitem__ options._initialize() File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1233, in _initialize self._dosub(k, v) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1281, in _dosub v = '$$'.join([self._sub(s, seen) for s in v.split('$$')]) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1345, in _sub v = self.buildout[section].get(option, None, seen) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1135, in __getitem__ options._initialize() File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1239, in _initialize self.initialize() File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1245, in initialize recipe_class = _install_and_load(reqs, 'zc.buildout', entry, buildout) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/buildout.py", line 1199, in _install_and_load allow_hosts=buildout._allow_hosts File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 883, in install return installer.install(specs, working_set) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 664, in install for_buildout_run=for_buildout_run): File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 496, in _get_dist dist, avail = self._satisfied(requirement) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 253, in _satisfied return None, self._obtain(req, source) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 421, in _obtain if index.obtain(requirement) is None: File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 443, in obtain self.find_packages(requirement) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 427, in find_packages self.scan_url(self.index_url + requirement.unsafe_name+'/') File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 761, in scan_url self.process_url(url, True) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 304, in process_url f = self.open_url(url, "Download error on %s: %%s -- Some packages may not be found!" % url) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 700, in open_url return open_with_auth(url, self.opener) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 894, in _socket_timeout return func(*args, **kwargs) File "/opt/mailman3/venv/lib/python2.7/site-packages/setuptools/package_index.py", line 1007, in open_with_auth fp = opener(request) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 431, in open response = self._open(req, data) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 449, in _open '_open', req) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 409, in _call_chain result = func(*args) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1227, in http_open return self.do_open(httplib.HTTPConnection, req) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/urllib2.py", line 1200, in do_open r = h.getresponse(buffering=True) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 1132, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 453, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/httplib.py", line 409, in _read_status line = self.fp.readline(_MAXLINE + 1) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/socket.py", line 480, in readline data = self._sock.recv(self._rbufsize) error: [Errno 54] Connection reset by peer (venv)(14:06:57 </opt/mailman3/mailman-bundler>) 0 # -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."

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Handling bogus subscribe requests
by Andrew Daviel 18 Jan '16

18 Jan '16

In the last few days we've seen several thousand bogus subscription requests for various lists we host, send through the web interface. They seem to mostly originate in China. We see log entries such as /var/log/mailman/subscribe Jan 11 20:50:30 2016 (27666) grsi-users: pending hellocatboots+80339132(a)gmail.com 221.178.182.31 and in the webserver logs 221.178.182.31 - - [10/Jan/2016:03:27:18 -0800] "POST /mailman/subscribe/grsi-users HTTP/1.1" 200 I'm not sure what the point is - a DoS attack on a few users, perhaps. I see that gmail gives you infinite aliases, so that hellocatboots+80339132 is the same as hellocatboots+96529823(a)gmail.com Since most of these seem to originate with one netblock where we have, I believe, no legitimate users, I've added a Deny rule in httpd.conf. I was wondering if other admins had seen this, and if there was a better way to control it than blocking an ip range. Apart from all the variants of hellocatboots, we've seen a lot of posts for one unique user at kezukaya.com. The subscribe log shows hundreds of pending requests, from which I infer that mailman has no mechanism to track the fact that it already sent a "please confirm" message (we have mailman-2.1.18 on Centos 5). -- Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada

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Mailman with Gmail.
by Paul Stuffins 17 Jan '16

17 Jan '16

Hi Everybody, We use Google Apps as our email platform but would like to install and run our own mailing list software as Google's offering does not really suit us. Can we install mailman on a VPS, and use it with Google Apps? I have tried googling and not got a definitive answer, hence emailing the mailing list. Many Thanks Paul

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