Mailman-Users November 2016

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions
by Andre de Azevedo Cunha 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hi, i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE. I configured my Hold.py was described bellow: replaced hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, _ MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size)) with rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size) _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_ The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? Thanks, André Dennis Putnam wrote: > >I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What >is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by >updates? There are two ways to proceed. You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade. A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after the lines GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel') I recommend the former as in # # Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered # message. # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') # # Replace Hold with local version # GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive. >Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such >as implicit destination? >On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size >> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with >> the lines >> >> >> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> # no return >> >> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace >> >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> >> with >> >> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) >> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice >> >> to reject the message or with >> >> raise Errors.DiscardMessage >> >> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's >> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put >> >> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard >> >> with the other imports near the beginning of the >> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with >> >> do_discard(mlist, msg) Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net [1]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Links: ------ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?
by Mal 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail so that the mails have the name of the sender, while the mail itself comes from the list address? I have looked high and low for an answer, but noone seems to have the solution. Thank you! Mal

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Mailman CGI Error-Group mismatch error
by Wang, Mary Y 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hi, I received the following error this morning. So I rerun configure again with the following command: ./configure --with-cgi-id=apache --prefix=/var/mailman. I'm still getting the same error. Is there any place that I can look for so that I can debug this problem better? Perhaps, looking at the config history file or something. Any other places that I can check the cause of this error? "Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "apache". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'." Thanks Mary

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Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
by The Mailing List Server Admin 05 Sep '19

05 Sep '19

Dear Mailman Cognoscenti, I'm helping one of my list owners send out 5K plus invitations to students to subscribe to his mailing list. Our current configuration: Mailman v2.1.20 RHEL v5.11 Semdmail v8.13.8 Apache v2.2.3 Since this was the first time doing this, I suggested breaking the batch input into 3 groups, 50, 500, and the rest. The 50 went fine, as did the 500, but the largest batch gave him a generic web server error: > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, root(a)conundrum.unh.edu and > inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might > have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server > error log. I looked at the logs and I couldn't find anything that hinted at what went wrong. So I asked the owner to send me the last back and I'd give it a try. I wrote a script that removed folks already subscribed to his list and split the remaining subscribers up into 6 files with a thousand records each. I just tried uploading the 1st batch of 1K, with the following options: Subscribe these users now... (*) Invite Send welcome message... (*) No Send notifications... (*) No And entered a 7 line paragraph explaining the invitation. I ended up having the same error happen. Looking at the Mailman logs, I can't see any difference before or after my submission. In the HTTPD logs, I see: >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [warn] [client 132.177.215.132] Timeout >> waiting for output from CGI script >> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [error] [client 132.177.215.132] >> Premature end of script headers: admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add So is there an inherent limit to the number of invites that can be submitted via the web form? As a work around, how would I do large invites on behalf of the owner from the command line, including the 'extra text' that is allowed via the web interface? -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056

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changing domains on Mailman implementation
by Keith Seyffarth 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

Is there an efficient way to change the domain name that mailman is affiliated with? I have two mailing lists that were created for an organization before that organization had their own domain. At the time the organization was sure they did not want their own domain and would not be getting a domain. Since then, they have chosen to get a domain and set up a web site. I would like to move their mailing lists onto their domain. It looks like the process for this is: 1) get the list of subscribers 2) delete the mailing list from the one domain (losing the archives) 3) create the mailing list on the new domain 4) subscribe the list of subscribers This process doesn't seem too difficult, but I would prefer to keep the archives, if possible. Both domains are on the same server, running CentOS7 and PLESK 12.5, if that makes a difference. Thanks, Keith

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Time needed to deliver list messages
by Christian F Buser 01 Dec '16

01 Dec '16

Hi all Our lists run on a cPanel installation of Mailman (cPanel version 60.0.25, Mailman version 2.1.23). Messages sent to the list take some long time to be delivered to the subscribers - in the best case it is about 10 minutes, but it can take up to over 40 minutes. We asked our provider about it, and he tried to finetune some settings on the server - so far without success. He said he also contacted cPanel support and their response was "this is normal - there is nothing they can do about it", he said. My question to all who run Mailman on cPanel: Is it true? Are you also experiencing delivery delays? Thank you, Christian -- Christian F. Buser, Hohle Gasse 6, CH-5507 Mellingen (Switzerland) Hilfe fuer Strassenkinder in Ghana: http://www.chance-for-children.org

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Expressions to reduce spam
by Cyndi Norwitz 29 Nov '16

29 Nov '16

> On Nov 13, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 11/13/2016 07:55 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Or to get more than one tld with one regexp >> >> *.*\.(site|win|othertop)$ > > Ooops. Should be > > ^.*\.(site|win|othertop)$ Thanks to everyone who replied! I want to clarify that I don’t own or run the server. My ISP (sonic.net) has Mailman installed for customers to use. I can not configure it and I can’t affect what emails reach the Mailman software. Sonic is pretty good at walking that line between getting rid of spam and not having false positives, but there’s a lot that still gets through. As for "everyone should learn regular expressions”... Sure, maybe. But I think it’s overkill. I mean I don’t require all my soap customers to learn the chemistry of saponification. Doing it all from scratch every time also leads to mistakes. Example: Mark’s simple typo above. If even an expert can mess it up... I mean, when I started making websites back in the mid-1990's, I hand-coded in HTML. I could switch to my browser to see where I messed up (cause you will always mess up), go back, fix, try again. Now I use Dreamweaver. I can still go into the code whenever I want to tweak things, but I don’t have to for the day to day stuff (thank God) and I can do things that are a lot more complex because of it. I don't know what percentage of Mailman list owners are those who have this skillset. I’m going to guess a fairly low percentage because when someone takes the time to install it on their own server, they often invite friends, family, and people they work with (orgs, etc) to make lists. Then there are all the list owners using it from an ISP or a server they don’t have a personal connection with. It would be nice to be able to reduce the amount of spam that comes in for moderation without having to learn a brand new skill or bother the root access person each time. Anyway, I know you have a lot on your plate, just putting it out there. Cyndi

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DMARC-related bounces due to AOL sender; from_is_list or anonymous_list?
by Matt Morgan 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

On one of our lists, we are recently getting a lot of bounces related to AOL's DMARC policy. We're probably getting them on all our lists, actually, it's just that this list had a pretty stiff bounce-disabling config, so we noticed it more there. I understand that my choices for fixing this are either from_is_list or anonymous_list, and since this is an old server (2.1.12) that I recently took over (I have to stop using that excuse soon, I know), I can't do from_is_list. I need to update desperately. In other recent discussions, though, I seen that Microsoft in particular is starting to make trouble even with from_is_list, i.e., when the sender and reply-to don't match, with the expectation being that one day their warnings will become rejections. In that light, should I just be moving to anonymous_list anyway? Training users to identify themselves in the body of their messages seems like the potential big issue there. Anything else? Thanks, Matt

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my messages not appearing on the digest or single messages
by Marvin Hunkin 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

Hi. subscribe to a list called chat-request(a)list.ntxability.org, when I send my messae and get a digest or individual messages, I do not see my message. So any ideas. Have contacted the owner, joe Hudson, but he says that having a copy of my own message is enabled. Any ideas. Marvin. Marvin Hunkin Blind Information Technology Student <http://www.upskilled.edu.au> http://www.upskilled.edu.au

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Changing MTAs on Mailman box
by Bryan Carbonnell 23 Nov '16

23 Nov '16

Hi All, I am looking at changing our MTA from Sendmail to Postfix. The physical box is staying the same, nothing is changing other than the MTA on the box. Is there anything on the Mailman side that I need to do after the change? I looked at the Postfix integration section in the installation manual, http://www.list.org/mailman-install/postfix-integration.html and am just a bit unsure if these are the steps to take since this is an existing Mailman installation. Thanks for an pointers. Bryan -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb(a)gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!"

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