Mailman 3 February 2016 - Mailman-Users

Migrating Mailman listserv from one university to another
by Win Aung 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

I am the administrator of a Mailman listserv that has been in operation for more than 15 years with about 25,000 members. Recently, we moved the mail server from university (A) to university (B). The move was carried out by B downloading the entire mail server files (17 GB) from A and installing it. It now turns out that B has no experience with Mailman, and it is up to me to make it work. I have experience only as an administrator, and not with the software aspect. I was able to access the administrator interface at the new home, but when I tried to post a message, it did not show up on the approval/discard page. Clearly, Mailman has not been properly set up at its new home. I would appreciate any help / advice on what I need to do to make it work. Thanks in advance. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Help with installation
by Ibrahim Jarif 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Hi, I'm Ibrahim ! I'm to setup mailman as per this link http://wiki.list.org/HyperKitty/DevelopmentSetupGuide The documentation asks to setup hyperkitty using this link https://hyperkitty.readthedocs.org/en/latest/development.html. At the 'Setting up the databases' step running django-admin migrate --pythonpath hyperkitty_standalone --settings settings throws importError. Refer the attachment. I'd really appreciate if someone could help me out. Thank you. Regards, Ibrahim Jarif

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Mailman 3 list description - non-ASCII characters?
by Igor Maly 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Hello all, I've been playing with Mailman 3 and ran into this issue: I'd like to use non-ASCII characters in list description. To keep it simple, let's assume I want the list description to be single character "á" (Unicode: \u00e1, UTF-8: C3 A1). I can enter such a description in list identity page (http://MYHOST:8000/mailman3/lists/MYLIST/settings/list_identity, field Description). After hitting Save changes the description still reads "á", but reloading the settings page yields a single question mark "?" there. Lists overview (http://MYHOST:8000/mailman3/lists/) shows "?" too in Description column. Is there any configuration option to enable non-ASCII characters here, or am I stuck? Best regards, Igor Maly

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Bounce email going to list server admin not list owner...
by The Mailing List System Admin 25 Feb '16

25 Feb '16

Didn't have luck researching this question. I (the list server admin) recently received the following bounce notice: > From Joe.Anybody(a)example.edu Wed Feb 24 15:55:18 2016 > Return-Path: <mailman-loop(a)lists.example.edu> > From: "Anybody, Joe" <Joe.Anybody(a)example.edu> > To: Xyz.Forum <mailman-bounces(a)lists.example.edu> > Subject: Automatic reply: Added to the list > Thread-Topic: Added to the list > X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All > X-MS-Exchange-Inbox-Rules-Loop: Joe.Anybody(a)example.edu > auto-submitted: auto-generated > x-ms-exchange-generated-message-source: Mailbox Rules Agent > Errors-To: mailman-loop(a)lists.example.edu > Sender: "Mailman" <mailman-loop(a)lists.example.edu> > Subject: Automatic reply: Added to the list > > I am out of the office... I don't understand why this bounce went to the server admin list... mailman-bounces: "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman" and not the bounce address for the specific list involved... xyz.forum-bounces: |"/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman bounces xyz.forum" It is apparent from the "To:" that the name of the list involved was known. I did a dump of the "Xyz.Forum" list's config for what appear to be the relevant parameters: bounce_processing = True bounce_score_threshold = 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after = 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval = 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner = True bounce_notify_owner_on_bounce_increment = 1 bounce_notify_owner_on_disable = True bounce_notify_owner_on_removal = True And I searched the logs for entries specific to this list and/or this particular subscriber: subscribe:Jan 29 08:51:54 2016 (22963) xyz.forum: pending Joe Anybody <joe.anybody(a)example.edu> rl-cz364x1.ad.example.edu subscribe:Jan 29 08:54:30 2016 (23022) xyz.forum: new Joe Anybody <joe.anybody(a)example.edu>, via admin approval vette:Jan 29 08:53:18 2016 (3783) xyz.forum: held subscription request from joe.anybody(a)example.edu There is nothing in the `bounce` itself log that appears to be related to either. I don't mind getting bounces where a specific list is unknown, but list specific bounces really need to go to the list owner. We have far too many lists to do otherwise. - Using Mailman version: 2.1.20 - Python 2.4.3 (#1, Oct 23 2012, 22:02:41) - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.11 (Tikanga) -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List System Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056

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Mailman 3 mass subscribe
by Igor Maly 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Hello all, I've created a test list under Mailman 3 and subscribed my 2 addresses to it via mass subscribe. I entered only addresses, not real names ("addr(a)domain.tld" instead of "Name <addr(a)domain.tld>"). On both addresses, I've received the expected welcome mail. But: (1) Recipient of the welcome mail is "None <mail-address>", which yields "None" as recipient name in my mail client (Outlook 2010). I would assume that, since I did not enter any name, the mail should be addressed "To: addr(a)domain.tld" instead of "To: None <addr(a)domain.tld>". (2) In the welcome mail there are some links customized with maillist name and such. The link "General information about the mailing list is at:" is fine, reading "https://MYHOST/listinfo/MYLIST". However, the following link "If you ever want to .. subscription page at" points to "http://example.com/MYADDRESS", which is clearly wrong. Instead of example.com there should be MYHOST, and perhaps something more before MYADDRESS. Best regards, Igor Maly

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e-mails being kind of blackholed when sent to list or list-robot
by Fernando Gont 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Folks, I'm running a Ubuntu with Postfix and Mailman. Everything was up and running, and somehow mailman started to fail (we migrated the virtual machine to a different container, but I'd expect this to be orthogonal.. so.. not sure what happened). Essentially, any emails that I send to the mail-robot aliases (e.g. listname-request(a)mydomain.com) are kind of blackholed: I don't get a response from mailman, but I also don't get any sort of "user unknown message" either. Similarly, if I try to post to the list, the messages vanish (they are not forwarded to the subscribers but you don't get a "reject", either). Bellow you'll find my Postfix cnfig and my mm_cfg.py, plus some notes on some debugging I tried to do. This is my Postfix config (postconf -n): ---- cut here ---- alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases append_dot_mydomain = no biff = no broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes config_directory = /etc/postfix delay_warning_time = 4h inet_interfaces = all mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION" mailbox_size_limit = 0 mailman_destination_recipient_limit = 1 mydestination = fgont.go6lab.si, localhost.go6lab.si, localhost myhostname = fgont.go6lab.si mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128 myorigin = /etc/mailname readme_directory = no recipient_delimiter = + relay_domains = lists.si6networks.com, lists.gont.com.ar relayhost = smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 smtp_tls_security_level = may smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Iglesia Maradoniana) smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks, check_relay_domains smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtpd_sasl_local_domain = smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/letsencrypt/live/gont.com.ar/fullchain.pem smtpd_tls_auth_only = yes smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/gont.com.ar/cert.pem smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/letsencrypt/live/gont.com.ar/privkey.pem smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 smtpd_tls_received_header = yes smtpd_tls_session_cache_timeout = 3600s smtpd_use_tls = yes tls_random_source = dev:/dev/urandom transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport virtual_alias_domains = gont.com.ar, si6networks.com virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual ---- cut here ---- This is mm_cfg.py: ----cut here ---- # -*- python -*- # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA # 02110-1301 USA """This is the module which takes your site-specific settings. >From a raw distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you want. The complete set of distributed defaults, with annotation, are in ./Defaults. In mm_cfg, override only those you want to change, after the from Defaults import * line (see below). Note that these are just default settings - many can be overridden via the admin and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. Note also that some of the settings are resolved against the active list setting by using the value as a format string against the list-instance-object's dictionary - see the distributed value of DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER for an example.""" ####################################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. # from Defaults import * ############################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. # #------------------------------------------------------------- # The name of the list Mailman uses to send password reminders # and similar. Don't change if you want mailman-owner to be # a valid local part. MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' #------------------------------------------------------------- # If you change these, you have to configure your http server # accordingly (Alias and ScriptAlias directives in most httpds) #DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman/' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.si6networks.com' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Default host for web interface of newly created MLs DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.si6networks.com' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Required when setting any of its arguments. add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('lists.gont.com.ar', 'lists.gont.com.ar') #------------------------------------------------------------- # The default language for this server. DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Iirc this was used in pre 2.1, leave it for now USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 # Still used? #------------------------------------------------------------- # Unset send_reminders on newly created lists DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment this if you configured your MTA such that it # automatically recognizes newly created lists. # (see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian or # /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py) # MTA=None # Misnomer, suppresses alias output on newlist #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains (but not # postfix-to-mailman.py), but be sure to see # /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian first. MTA='Postfix' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment if you want to filter mail with SpamAssassin. For # more information please visit this website: # http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py. ---- cut here ---- If I look at /var/log/mail.info, I can see that my messages (the one I set to the robot ipv6hackers-request(a)lists.si6networks.com, and the one where I tried to post to the list at ipv6hackers(a)lists.si6netwoks.com) have been handled to mailman, aparently: ---- cut here ---- # -*- python -*- # Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc. # # This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License # as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 # of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the # GNU General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License # along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software # Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA # 02110-1301 USA """This is the module which takes your site-specific settings. >From a raw distribution it should be copied to mm_cfg.py. If you already have an mm_cfg.py, be careful to add in only the new settings you want. The complete set of distributed defaults, with annotation, are in ./Defaults. In mm_cfg, override only those you want to change, after the from Defaults import * line (see below). Note that these are just default settings - many can be overridden via the admin and user interfaces on a per-list or per-user basis. Note also that some of the settings are resolved against the active list setting by using the value as a format string against the list-instance-object's dictionary - see the distributed value of DEFAULT_MSG_FOOTER for an example.""" ####################################################### # Here's where we get the distributed defaults. # from Defaults import * ############################################################## # Put YOUR site-specific configuration below, in mm_cfg.py . # # See Defaults.py for explanations of the values. # #------------------------------------------------------------- # The name of the list Mailman uses to send password reminders # and similar. Don't change if you want mailman-owner to be # a valid local part. MAILMAN_SITE_LIST = 'mailman' #------------------------------------------------------------- # If you change these, you have to configure your http server # accordingly (Alias and ScriptAlias directives in most httpds) #DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/cgi-bin/mailman/' DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'http://%s/mailman/' IMAGE_LOGOS = '/images/mailman/' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Default domain for email addresses of newly created MLs DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'lists.si6networks.com' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Default host for web interface of newly created MLs DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.si6networks.com' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Required when setting any of its arguments. add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST) add_virtualhost('lists.gont.com.ar', 'lists.gont.com.ar') #------------------------------------------------------------- # The default language for this server. DEFAULT_SERVER_LANGUAGE = 'en' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Iirc this was used in pre 2.1, leave it for now USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = 0 # Still used? #------------------------------------------------------------- # Unset send_reminders on newly created lists DEFAULT_SEND_REMINDERS = 0 #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment this if you configured your MTA such that it # automatically recognizes newly created lists. # (see /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian or # /usr/share/mailman/postfix-to-mailman.py) # MTA=None # Misnomer, suppresses alias output on newlist #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment if you use Postfix virtual domains (but not # postfix-to-mailman.py), but be sure to see # /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian first. MTA='Postfix' #------------------------------------------------------------- # Uncomment if you want to filter mail with SpamAssassin. For # more information please visit this website: # http://www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(1, 'SpamAssassin') # Note - if you're looking for something that is imported from mm_cfg, but you # didn't find it above, it's probably in /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py. ----cut here ---- But the logs in var/log/mailman remain unaffected. By the way, I did run check_perms and everything seems fine. Any help will be really appreciated. Thanks! Cheers, -- Fernando Gont e-mail: fernando(a)gont.com.ar || fgont(a)si6networks.com PGP Fingerprint: 7809 84F5 322E 45C7 F1C9 3945 96EE A9EF D076 FFF1

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Moderation not working with mailman3
by Simone Lazzaris 23 Feb '16

23 Feb '16

Hi all; I've installed and configured mailman 3 (using mailman-bundler) and it seems working as it should, but I've got an issue with the moderation: I want a list to be moderated, e.g. all the messages by the subscriber must be approved by the moderators. All messages from non-subscriber must be rejected. To achive this, I've set "Hold" in "Default action to take when a member posts to the list", under the "Message Acceptance" tab in the Settings of the list, and "Reject (with notification)" for "non-member posts". The non-member part works: messages from non-members are rejected. The messages from the members, instead, are accepted and delivered without the moderation request. I think I'm missing something, but cannot figure it out. Anybody can send me some hints? Thanks -- Simone Lazzaris Qcom SpA http://www.qcom.it

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Mailman owner delivery
by Bryan Blackwell 22 Feb '16

22 Feb '16

Hi all, I have a minor mystery. I recently migrated to a new server, hosting a half dozen or so Mailman lists. The old server ran on Fedora 8, but I had upgraded to Mailman 2.1.18. The new server is Fedora 22, running Mailman 2.1.20. Postfix is the MTA on both. Migration was just to copy over ~mailman, install the new software (same paths), install /etc/aliases and ~mailman/aliases. And everything worked! Or so I thought, I found one little thing that doesn't. Held message e-mails going to the -owner addresses have a strange issue. I have "list-help" aliases for all my lists, and the MM list owners are set to those addresses. I've verified that the aliases work, and deliver mail to all the folks on the alias if I just send a message. However, Mailman -owner mail only comes to me (I'm the first address on the list and local to the box). I can find no errors in the logs, it all looks like it's working (status=sent). Any suggestions appreciated. --Bryan -- Bryan Blackwell -- Unix Systems Engineer bryan(a)skiblack.com

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mailman not reciving emails from postfix
by walter＠ifkuk.org 19 Feb '16

19 Feb '16

Hey guys I ran into something strange. Everything was working well, but check_parms gave me a lot of errors, so I fixed them all, but now I dont get any more emails at mailman. in the postfix mail.log I get Feb 19 13:03:32 ifkuk postfix/local[33319]: 4F63A315: to=<mailman(a)lists.ifkuk.org>, relay=local, delay=0.47, delays=0.25/0/0/0.21, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /var/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post mailman) but it never appears in the mailman logs and ofc does not get sent! all i ve found where old broken faq links, but no solution. does any one have a hint for me whats going on here? can anything break if i changed to many files inside the mailman dirs from root:list or root:root to list:list ? cause in some directories i used chmod -h list:list * to fix the check_perms errors, as there where so many. thx in advance walter

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No confirmation e-mails even “Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?” has been set to “Yes”
by Henrik Rasmussen 17 Feb '16

17 Feb '16

A list administrator asked me whether it is possible for the sender to receive an email confirmation when he’s mail has been approved by the list administrator or moderator. I found some documentation on how to achieve this<http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node24.html>*) and I tried it on my test list, which have two members: My corporate mail and my private Gmail account. My corporate e-mail is owner if the list, both are subscribed to the list as moderated member, and both members have set “Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?” to “Yes” at http://mailman.foo/roster/mylist. But I do not seem to receive any confirmation e-mails to any of the e-mail addresses, once I have approved the mails and they have been sent to the members, neither last Friday nor today. I am using Mailman 2.1.12 This is logs from today: vette Feb 15 09:12:19 2016 (2440) Mylist post from corporatemail(a)example.com held, message-id=<6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D01668845EA@Mymailserver@foo.bar>: Post to moderated list Feb 15 09:17:01 2016 (26733) held message approved, message-id: <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D01668845EA@Mymailserver@foo.bar> Feb 15 09:20:40 2016 (2440) Mylist post from privatemail(a)gmail.com held, message-id=<CAGfPFBwYO-fE-fB8S4nCoAF1j6ztAS9vbcu9-UbO131dsmsu=g(a)mail.gmail.com>: Post to moderated list Feb 15 09:23:07 2016 (27926) held message approved, message-id: CAGfPFBwYO-fE-fB8S4nCoAF1j6ztAS9vbcu9-UbO131dsmsu=g(a)mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAGfPFBwYO-fE-fB8S4nCoAF1j6ztAS9vbcu9-UbO131dsmsu=g@mail.gmail.com> smtp Feb 15 09:12:21 2016 (2442) <mailman.30.1455523939.2440.mylist(a)mailman.foo> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.093 seconds Feb 15 09:12:22 2016 (2442) <mailman.30.1455523939.2440.mylist(a)mailman.foo> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.089 seconds Feb 15 09:17:02 2016 (2442) <6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D01668845EA@Mymailserver@foo.bar> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.113 seconds Feb 15 09:20:41 2016 (2442) <mailman.31.1455524440.2440.mylist(a)mailman.foo> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.089 seconds Feb 15 09:20:41 2016 (2442) <mailman.33.1455524440.2440.mylist(a)mailman.foo> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.091 seconds Feb 15 09:20:42 2016 (2442) <mailman.33.1455524440.2440.mylist(a)mailman.foo> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.089 seconds Feb 15 09:23:09 2016 (2442) <CAGfPFBwYO-fE-fB8S4nCoAF1j6ztAS9vbcu9-UbO131dsmsu=g(a)mail.gmail.com> smtp to mylist for 1 recips, completed in 0.108 seconds post Feb 15 09:17:02 2016 (2440) post to mylist from Henrik Rasmussen <corporatemail(a)example.com> anonymized Feb 15 09:17:02 2016 (2442) post to mylist from mylist(a)mailman.foo, size=12028, message-id=<6DCC3E5DA06FE346B4DE4876C4F2713D01668845EA@Mymailserver@foo.bar>, success Feb 15 09:23:08 2016 (2440) post to mylist from Henrik Rasmussen <privatemail(a)gmail.com> anonymized Feb 15 09:23:09 2016 (2442) post to mylist from mylist(a)mailman.foo, size=4122, message-id=<CAGfPFBwYO-fE-fB8S4nCoAF1j6ztAS9vbcu9-UbO131dsmsu=g(a)mail.gmail.com>, success *) http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node24.html What may I have missed? /Henrik Rasmussen

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