Mailman 3 June 2016 - Mailman-Users

problems unsubscribing from lists using email address?
by Adam Morris 14 Jun '16

14 Jun '16

Hi all, in the footer of messages for lists I run I put a link for people to unsubscribe. the link is listname dash unsubscribe@domain. If someone clicks on this link and sends a message there is no confirmation and they stay subscribed. If i go to the members interface and untick the box they get unsubscribed. If someone tries to subscribe using the same method it works fine. Assistance appreciated. -- Adam Morris email: adam(a)damorris.com

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Fwd: apple-crop post from rbarthel@wi.rr.com requires approval
by Jon Clements 13 Jun '16

13 Jun '16

Hi, any idea why when I visit the admindb page it says "There are no pending requests." What should I look for??? I believe it has worked previously. Mailman 2.1.20 running on Yosemite 10.10.5 after a novice installation (that was a hoot!) but has been working seemingly OK for several months. Thanks for any help. Jon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <apple-crop-owner(a)virtualorchard.com> Date: Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM Subject: apple-crop post from rbarthel(a)wi.rr.com requires approval To: apple-crop-owner(a)virtualorchard.com As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: apple-crop(a)virtualorchard.com From: rbarthel(a)wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Apple-Crop] TAP Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/admindb/apple-crop to approve or deny the request. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Barthel <rbarthel(a)wi.rr.com> To: Apple-Crop discussion list <apple-crop(a)virtualorchard.com> Cc: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 08:58:36 -0500 Subject: Re: [Apple-Crop] TAP I have an orchard in Mequon WI - just north of Milwaukee. I applied for TAP in October 2014. The process has been a nightmare. I just received payment for the program. The local FSA office personal changed the rules on how the application was written after I complied with their initial requirements. That change 'disqualified' 90% of my damage. I had to fight the local office at the state level. The state level coordinator disallowed all damaged trees. The federal record for the program allows credit for damaged trees. I had blocks of Honeycrisp (6000+ trees) with 30 - 40% dead trunks - southwest injury from the -28 degrees. Damage in the block was 80% of the trees. None of that injury was credited under the program rules. I have to remove those trees as they are getting infected with black rot and other fungi . The state officer stated if the tree can grow one apple - it's not damaged even if the whole top or one side is dead. I submitted a claim for over $14,500 using the formula they required just for the dead trees. Payment was $5,800. Better than nothing but never again. The amount of time documenting the orchard loss, time lost in many 3+ hours meetings, upset and bad feelings do not compensate me for trying to work with FSA. I'm never going back to FSA for any program! Bob Barthel Barthel Fruit Farm On 6/11/2016 10:07 AM, Pat Curran wrote: > I'd like to know what, if any, experience fellow growers might have had > with the government's Tree Assistance Program (TAP) that was put in place a > couple of years ago to "assist" growers with replanting (replacing) trees > that were killed by the severe winter of '14? > > > Pat Curran > Currans Orchard > 6385 Kilburn Avenue > Rockford, Illinois 61101 > 815-963-7848 > pat(a)curransorchard.com > www.curransorchard.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > apple-crop(a)virtualorchard.com > http://virtualorchard.com/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: apple-crop-request(a)virtualorchard.com To: Cc: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 09:58:48 -0400 Subject: confirm d8d143008d11186c3104c457d97b827be0f8257f If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. -- Jon Clements aka 'Mr Honeycrisp' UMass Cold Spring Orchard 393 Sabin St. Belchertown, MA 01007 413-478-7219 umassfruit.com

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Wrong encoding in moderation request mails with Mailman 2.1.15
by Peter Heitzer 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

If a mail held for moderation has a subject encoded in UTF-8 the subject is not correctly displayed in the mail to the moderator and in the web interface. This is not a big issue but I nevertheless want to mention it. Do newer 2.x versions still have this behavior or is it already fixed? ---- Dipl.-Inform(FH) Peter Heitzer, peter.heitzer(a)rz.uni-regensburg.de

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Useful Mailman-Postfix Configuration Information for OS X Server Implementers on Yosemite, El Capitan and later builds
by Timothy Jasionowski 10 Jun '16

10 Jun '16

All, After some puzzlement and some hard-earned technical consideration, OS X Server 5.1.x and later implementers (the current version independent Server bundle) have a new challenge to take into consideration. I’m posting this so that people googling/searching later might skip this painful step and/or have it added to future documentation. As configured today, a mailman implementation running locally would face some version of this relay error in the mail.log: postfix/smtpd[53192]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from localhost[127.0.0.1]: 554 5.7.1 <user(a)foreigndomain.tld <mailto:user@foreigndomain.tld>>: Relay access denied; from=<testinglist-bounces(a)localdomain.tld <mailto:testinglist-bounces@localdomain.tld>> to=<user(a)foreigndomain.tld <mailto:user@foreigndomain.tld>> proto=ESMTP helo=<server.localdomain.tld> Earlier versions of Server shipped with pre-2.10 versions of postfix (10.9.x, for example, runs 2.9.4 today). However, with 5.1.x, Apple now implements 2.11, though it has not updated the configuration file to cope with the transition from the former smtpd_recipient_restrictions to the post-2.10 smptd_relay_restrictions parameter. As most people are going to look at smtpd_client_restrictions and mynetworks to diagnose and not notice that the deprecated parameter is still there in lieu of the current hotness, there may be hours of frustration trying to diagnose that the problem lies in a pre-2.10 configuration file used in the current builds. To correct this, might I suggest postfix main.cf changes: # smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination permit smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_mynetworks permit_sasl_authenticated reject_unauth_destination This change corrected the relay restriction immediately upon restart. I hope this helps others out in their implementation. There seems to be little documented implementation instruction for mailman on OS X Server 5.1.x. Good luck! Timothy

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Configuration Challenge with Apache and Mailman on OS X Server
by Timothy Jasionowski 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Hello! Long time, happy mailman administration, first time poster. The last implementation I did of mailman was on OS X 10.9 Server and it went relatively well, but my current attempt at implementing it on a box to replace it running OS X 10.11.5/Server 5.x has driven me batty, specifically related to the .cgi prefix presentation in the URI. On the previous implementation of 2.1.15, the URI would be constructed as: https://server.domain.tld/mailman/admin/mailing_list/members/add However, in trying to update my implementation of 2.1.22 in the new server, I’m getting: https://server.domain.tld/mailman/admin.cgi/mailing_list/members/add In the initial implementation, I was using a ScriptAlias to direct mailman to the folder, but no rewriting rules. ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/libexec/mailman/cgi-bin/" In the new implementation, I’m using an config Include file in the apache configuration, as suggested by MacPorts: Include /opt/local/etc/httpd/mailman.conf Which reads: # Mailman configuration file fragment for Apache <IfModule mod_alias.c> ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/opt/local/libexec/mailman/cgi-bin/" Alias /pipermail/ "/opt/local/var/mailman/archives/public/" Alias /mailman-icons/ "/opt/local/share/mailman/icons/" </IfModule> <Directory "/opt/local/libexec/mailman/cgi-bin"> Options Indexes Includes MultiViews SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> <Directory "/opt/local/share/mailman/icons"> Options none AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> <Directory "/opt/local/var/mailman/archives/public/"> Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch AllowOverride FileInfo AuthConfig Limit Order allow,deny Allow from all </Directory> I’ve read the wikis and the Apache documentation and, have fiddled with the CGIEXT setting in Defaults.py, which currently reads # CGI extension, change using configure script CGIEXT = '.cgi' I have changed it to ‘’ with no success. Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Timothy

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Setting up Mailman with Apache on FreeBSD
by John Poltorak 08 Jun '16

08 Jun '16

Hi, I'm new to this list and am hoping someone may be able to point me to some resources for geting Mailman working with Apache on FreeBSD. I did come across one site which showed how to set this up but it was 10 years old and many things may have changed. I'm attempting to configure Mailman 2.1.22 with Apache 2.4.20 under FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE Any pointers would be appreciated.

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Bounces threshold never reached
by Kala Balik 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Dear list members, two weeks ago we sent out a mailing through our six new mailman lists with roughly 6.000 subscribers. We expected to get a number of bounces, however, while the bounces log shows that about 600 subscribers did get a bounce score of 1.0 or 2.0, not a single address reached the threshold of 5.0 (or anything above 2.0) and, consequently, the admins did not get notice about any disables or removals. Here is my bouncing configuration: bounce_processing: yes bounce_score_threshold: 5.0 bounce_info_stale_after: 7 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings: 3 bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval: 7 bounce_unrecognized_goes_to_list_owner: yes bounce_notify_owner_on_disable: yes bounce_notify_owner_on_removal: yes >From reading the information in the web interface my understanding of the bounces processing is that for "bad" (i.e. unreachable) addresses the bounces score increases EVERYDAY by 1.0 (hard bounces) or .5 (soft bounces). Since my bounces log only displays whole numbers (either 1.0 or 2.0) I assume that most of my bounces were hard bounces (scoring 1.0 each). Therefore, constantly unreachable addresses should have reached the threshold of 5.0 after 5 days. Yet my log reads as if the email providers of most (about 500) subscribers with bounces were unreachable on the day of the mailing (kind of plausible), while the others (about 100) were "down" for two days and then online again (not very plausible). Providers may be unreliable sometimes, but not that unreliable. And our address base may be good, but not that good (no permanent bouncees at all - or am I misunderstanding the concept of permanence here - and, consequently, no automatic unsubscribes at all). What am I missing here? And how do I "repair" bounce processing and automatic unsubscribe? Thanks for your help! Cordially, CK

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Sudden Disabled/Unsubscribed list members?
by Karl Smith 07 Jun '16

07 Jun '16

Can someone please help. I have used the Mailman system v2.1.22 successfully for a number of years without major issue and operate 4 different lists. Recently, my CAMRA Members list (the biggest one with about 700 email addresses) has stopped sending me a bounce copy and has on two occasions rejected one of my messages and unsubscribed a large (apparently random) number of the members, including me one time. There is no pattern to the servers involved. I reversed the flags individually in the system which worked for some but some people are still not getting messages although their Config looks normal. I have tried removing and re-adding addresses but this does not work. They are not on the Ban list and my messages have not been blocked into their Junk folder. I turned on the ackn so now I get an ackn message that a message has been sent. Note I have been away on a 2month extended holiday Feb/mid April and these problems started when I resumed activity (I am the Branch Secretary and main user of this list). Note that I am not a computer or software expert and only use basic functionality. Karl --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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bounce disabled warning interval settings
by Daryl.Weir＠lis.state.oh.us 02 Jun '16

02 Jun '16

Hello: I wondered if I could get recommendations on ideal settings needed for bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings and bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval to achieve the following: We have a one-way announcement list. A single message is posted once a week every week. We never want to unsubscribe anyone - just disable their subscription. We never want Mailman sending a subscriber the automated message that starts with "Your membership in the mailing list XYZ has been disabled due to excessive bounces..." When the bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings option was set at 2000 and the bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval option was set at 30, Mailman sent out the automated message. The bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval has been increased to 2000. Obviously there is no way to simulate this to see if the desired result (no automated message) is achieved. Thoughts on this are most appreciated. Thanks!

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