Mailman-Users December 2017

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20 discussions

Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions
by Andre de Azevedo Cunha 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hi, i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE. I configured my Hold.py was described bellow: replaced hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, _ MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size)) with rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size) _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_ The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? Thanks, André Dennis Putnam wrote: > >I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What >is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by >updates? There are two ways to proceed. You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade. A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after the lines GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel') I recommend the former as in # # Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered # message. # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') # # Replace Hold with local version # GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive. >Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such >as implicit destination? >On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size >> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with >> the lines >> >> >> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> # no return >> >> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace >> >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> >> with >> >> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) >> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice >> >> to reject the message or with >> >> raise Errors.DiscardMessage >> >> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's >> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put >> >> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard >> >> with the other imports near the beginning of the >> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with >> >> do_discard(mlist, msg) Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net [1]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Links: ------ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?
by Mal 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail so that the mails have the name of the sender, while the mail itself comes from the list address? I have looked high and low for an answer, but noone seems to have the solution. Thank you! Mal

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Mailman CGI Error-Group mismatch error
by Wang, Mary Y 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hi, I received the following error this morning. So I rerun configure again with the following command: ./configure --with-cgi-id=apache --prefix=/var/mailman. I'm still getting the same error. Is there any place that I can look for so that I can debug this problem better? Perhaps, looking at the config history file or something. Any other places that I can check the cause of this error? "Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "apache". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'." Thanks Mary

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Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon 20 Mar '20

20 Mar '20

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. Leon

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Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
by The Mailing List Server Admin 05 Sep '19

05 Sep '19

Dear Mailman Cognoscenti, I'm helping one of my list owners send out 5K plus invitations to students to subscribe to his mailing list. Our current configuration: Mailman v2.1.20 RHEL v5.11 Semdmail v8.13.8 Apache v2.2.3 Since this was the first time doing this, I suggested breaking the batch input into 3 groups, 50, 500, and the rest. The 50 went fine, as did the 500, but the largest batch gave him a generic web server error: > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, root(a)conundrum.unh.edu and > inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might > have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server > error log. I looked at the logs and I couldn't find anything that hinted at what went wrong. So I asked the owner to send me the last back and I'd give it a try. I wrote a script that removed folks already subscribed to his list and split the remaining subscribers up into 6 files with a thousand records each. I just tried uploading the 1st batch of 1K, with the following options: Subscribe these users now... (*) Invite Send welcome message... (*) No Send notifications... (*) No And entered a 7 line paragraph explaining the invitation. I ended up having the same error happen. Looking at the Mailman logs, I can't see any difference before or after my submission. In the HTTPD logs, I see: >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [warn] [client 132.177.215.132] Timeout >> waiting for output from CGI script >> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [error] [client 132.177.215.132] >> Premature end of script headers: admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add So is there an inherent limit to the number of invites that can be submitted via the web form? As a work around, how would I do large invites on behalf of the owner from the command line, including the 'extra text' that is allowed via the web interface? -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056

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changing domains on Mailman implementation
by Keith Seyffarth 20 Sep '18

20 Sep '18

Is there an efficient way to change the domain name that mailman is affiliated with? I have two mailing lists that were created for an organization before that organization had their own domain. At the time the organization was sure they did not want their own domain and would not be getting a domain. Since then, they have chosen to get a domain and set up a web site. I would like to move their mailing lists onto their domain. It looks like the process for this is: 1) get the list of subscribers 2) delete the mailing list from the one domain (losing the archives) 3) create the mailing list on the new domain 4) subscribe the list of subscribers This process doesn't seem too difficult, but I would prefer to keep the archives, if possible. Both domains are on the same server, running CentOS7 and PLESK 12.5, if that makes a difference. Thanks, Keith

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spam discard expressions
by Jim Dory 08 Mar '18

08 Mar '18

Apparently our host provider performs spam tests only on outgoing, rather than incoming - since my spamassassin blacklists don't have any effect. So I've discovered the filters offered in Mailman after being completely buried by spammers trying to post to our subscriber only list. I've started putting these in Sender Filters: ^[^@]+@bcira\.com$ ^[^@]+@airablo\.com$ ^[^@]+@bfklaw\.com$ ^[^@]+@bettella\.com$ ^[^@]+@areallycool\.com$ ^[^@]+@aristo-tec\.com$ ^[^@]+@benallgood\.com$ ^[^@]+@al-meshkah\.com$ ^[^@]+@atoccs\.stream$ ^[^@]+@authors\.com$ ^[^@]+@aulson\.com$ ^[^@]+@atmyx\.bid$ ^[^@]+@airtecperforms\.com$ but what is the syntax for blocking domains ending in .loan .stream .trade etc, other than .com. I've been reading up on python expressions but at first reading it is a bit overwhelming - hoping for a simple example. I've also started adding in words under Spam filters such as: ^Subject: .*Phentermine ^Subject: .*F\*buddy ^Subject: .*H00kup ^Subject: .*InstaF\*ck ^Subject: .*Instacheat Wondering if anyone would care to share their lists of filters - or a good resource? thanks, Jim

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options for dealing with DMARC
by Jordan Brown 16 Jan '18

16 Jan '18

I've been running my mailing list for a few years with "Munge From" to defend against DMARC rejection. This means that my messages get From: Joe User <mymailinglist(a)mydomain.com> Reply-To: Joe User <joe(a)example.com> That mostly works, but sometimes confuses people a bit, and just now I've had somebody send what I think was intended as a private address to that From line, not to the Reply-To line. (I think their e-mail client, Pegasus, has an excessively flexible policy on which headers to use for a reply and may be subtly misconfigured, but maybe they just naively copied the From line.) That's leading me to wonder whether there's another way, whether I can leave From alone and still get past the DMARC checks. Wikipedia tells me that DMARC passes if either SPF *or* DKIM passes. There's no hope for SPF with the original sender in From, because the mailing list server isn't the user's mail server. However, DKIM seems like it *might* pass, if I'm careful in how I configure the mailing list. In particular, it looks like I'd have to get rid of the message footer. That would be OK. Looks like I might also have to kill off the [ListName] addition to the Subject, which is less OK but might be better than the alternative. Before I go recruit a couple of users from several DMARC-using providers and run some tests, can anybody tell me if there is any hope there, and maybe share some configuration tips?

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importing large (1GB) mbox file, hitting a wall here..
by Andrew White, PhD 29 Dec '17

29 Dec '17

First post- thanks much for your archives, been getting myself up to speed today and I hope to be a member of the community who gives back as well. I took over a large mailing list with a 12 year archive, which is about a 1 GB .mbox file (about 35,000 messages). I need to upload it to a new Mailman install on a new server. I have a background in visual basic and command line SPSS, and have managed Mailman lists before, but I'm a little new on this part. Here's where I'm at- let me know where I'm off. For reference, the name of the list on the machine is dbt-l_pdbti.org. Per the FAQ ( [1]https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a… ), I uploaded the old .mbox into the correct folder (in this case archives/private/dbt-l_pdbti.org.mbox/). This is a brand new list install, with no posts. I then ran bin/arch --wipe dbt-l_pdbti.org. When I checked the archives, only about 11,000 messages were imported. I saw in the arch help file there can be memory issues, and so to run things in chunks. So, I did this: bin/arch ---wipe q -s 0 e 10000 dbt-l_pdbti.org bin/arch -q -s 10001 e 20000 dbt-l_pdbti.org bin/arch q -s 20001 e 30000 dbt-l_pdbti.org bin/arch q -s 30001 e 40000 dbt-l_pdbti.org So when I do this, each piece works, but each piece overwrites the previous- in other words, rather than each chunk adding into the archives, only the most recent command seems to affect the archives. At the end of these commands, only messages 30,000 to 35,000 are showing up in the archives. I'm sure there is something I'm doing wrong here, but I'm feeling pretty stuck- is there something I'm leaving out? Appreciate the help- ........................................................................ Andrew White, PhD Associate Director DBT-Linehan Board of Certification, Certified DBT Clinician* Licensed Clinical Psychologist Portland DBT Institute (503) 290.3281 (phone) (503) 231.8153 (fax) Please be aware that e-mail communication can be intercepted in transmission or misdirected. This e-mail message and any documents attached to it are confidential and may contain information that is protected from disclosure by various federal and state laws, including the HIPAA privacy rule (45 C.F.R., Part 164). This information is intended to be used solely by the entity or individual to whom this message is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this message without the sender's written permission is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Accordingly, if you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately with a copy to hipaa(at)pdbti.org and destroy this message. Please do not include personal identifying information such as your birth date, or personal medical information in any emails you send to us. No one can diagnose your condition from email or other written communications and is not a reliable mechanism for emergency communication. References Visible links 1. https://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%2…

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo problems again
by Russell Clemings 23 Dec '17

23 Dec '17

FWIW, last month on another list a Yahoo/AOL rep said it means an inactive account. Which is not exactly the same as an account that doesn't exist, I guess. https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg05018.html On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 9:00 AM, <mailman-users-request(a)python.org> wrote: > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:18:18 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Yahoo problems again > On 12/21/2017 03:14 PM, Jim Dory wrote: > > I'm running a CPanel version of mailman. > > I've been seeing a lot of the following errors of mostly yahoo.com users > > but a few other providers as well. > > > > "---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Mail Delivery System <Mailer-Daemon(a)server.nomekennelclub.com> > > To: nome-announce-bounces(a)nomekennelclub.com > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 17:22:05 +0000 > > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: > > > > xxxx(a)yahoo.com > > host mta7.am0.yahoodns.net [98.137.159.27] > > SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: > > 554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - > > mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > > > > Action: failed > > Final-Recipient: rfc822;xxx(a)yahoo.com > > Status: 5.0.0 > > Remote-MTA: dns; mta7.am0.yahoodns.net > > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action > aborted > > - mta4357.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > > " > > > > followed by a forwarded message that had been sent to the list by another > > user. > > -which I don't know how to deal with. > > > This is a Yahoo glitch. They are reporting a bogus reason for a list > message to a Yahoo address that doesn't exist. See > <https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Delivery-errors-5xx-and-421/554 > -delivery-error-dd-Requested-mail-action-aborted-mta1240-mail/td-p/382749> > > > >

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