Mailman 3 June 2017 - Mailman-Users

sync_users output
by Bryan Teague 30 Jun '17

30 Jun '17

Hi, I know that the sync_users -n will provide information on what the script would have done. If you run the command without the -n, will it output what was done? I looked, but could not find anything on the output of the script other than with the -n. Thanks, Bryan Bryan Teague | Senior Web Administrator | University Web Services | ITS | Maher Hall, Room 198 5998 Alcalá Park | San Diego, CA 92110-2492 | P: (619) 260-7842 | C: (619) 321-7288 bryant(a)sandiego.edu <mailto:bryant@sandiego.edu>

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Mailman 2.1.23: Issues with mailmanctl restart
by Frank Lanitz 23 Jun '17

23 Jun '17

Hello, I have seen recently issues with mailmanctl restart: From time to time there seems to be some kind of race condition between shutdown and startup. Inside qrunner log it looks something like — but not started. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30372) OutgoingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30368) BounceRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30368) BounceRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30372) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30370) IncomingRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30370) IncomingRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:21 2017 (30373) VirginRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30367) ArchRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30367) ArchRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30369) CommandRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30373) VirginRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30369) CommandRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30371) NewsRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:24 2017 (30371) NewsRunner qrunner exiting. Jun 18 02:20:22 2017 (30374) RetryRunner qrunner caught SIGTERM. Stopping. Jun 18 02:20:25 2017 (30374) RetryRunner qrunner exiting. (the restart is getting triggered by some logrotate-magic but this is also happening from time to time when executing it directly) I cannot see any segfault or exception by now and wondering whether only me is seeing this kind of issue? Regards, Frank

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moderation without webpanel - how to setup in mailman 2 ?
by Zalezny Niezalezny 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

Hi, I would like to setup some newsletter where, external company sending an E-mail on the mailing list address, and after few seconds E-mail return to them with msg file(message file) to approve it. External company checking if e-mail looks good, replying on that e-mail and system starting to send that message to few thousands user. How to configure this kind of moderation without webpanel ? Unfortunately external company doesnt have an access to mailman internal webpanel. Sorry that Im asking the same question several times, but till now I havent found any good solution for it. With kind regards Zalezny

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Mailman 3 confusion
by tlhackque 21 Jun '17

21 Jun '17

I took another look at installing Mailman 3, and ended up lost and confused. I'm an experienced software person - but my Python knowledge is minimal. Fedora 25, python 3.5.3, pretty much out of the box. Mailman version: 3.1.0 (The other bits and pieces are current - 1.1) I tried to follow the documentation on http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html, http://mailman-3-installation.readthedocs.io/en/latest/production_install.h… claims that the backend requires Python 3.4, but the frontend 2.7. Not clear if this is credible, but it's out there... https://wiki.list.org/Mailman3 points to Mark Sapiro's experience on https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%203%20installation%20experience This starts off with "For both installs I started with mailman-bundler." But https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman-bundler says "All of this documentation is obsolete! Mailman Bundler is no longer recommended or supported. " So... I have yet to find a step-by-step 'bare OS to running MM3" document. I've run MM2.1 lists for years, it wasn't this hard to get started. Just install and edit one config file (plus the webserver.). I don't want to learn a zillion other technologies just to get started - e.g. But, I decided to see how far I could get. I tried this, based on pip search mailman: dnf install python3 python3-devel (gets 3.5.3) pip3 install mailman postorius mailmanclient HyperKitty mailman-hyperkitty KittyStore All went well until KittyStore, which (0.9.3 is what pip found) died with: Collecting storm (from KittyStore) Downloading storm-0.20.tar.bz2 (213kB) 100% |################################| 215kB 318kB/s Complete output from command python setup.py egg_info: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<string>", line 1, in <module> File "/tmp/pip-build-wzs03r_4/storm/setup.py", line 5, in <module> import ez_setup File "/tmp/pip-build-wzs03r_4/storm/ez_setup.py", line 106 except pkg_resources.VersionConflict, e: ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax Well, set that aside, and install the rest, which seems to work. Try again with KittyStore, same failure. So maybe skip the archive for now. Try 'mailman info', another syntax error. Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 272, in endElementNS self.context.end() File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 345, in end self.stack.pop().finish() File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 452, in finish args = toargs(context, *self.argdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 794, in toargs args[str(name)] = field.fromUnicode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/fields.py", line 73, in fromUnicode value = self.context.resolve(name) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 151, in resolve mod = __import__(mname, *_import_chickens) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 22, in <module> import alembic.command File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/command.py", line 3, in <module> from .script import ScriptDirectory File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/script/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from .base import ScriptDirectory, Script # noqa File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 2, in <module> from dateutil import tz File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/dateutil/tz.py", line 78 `self._name`, ^ SyntaxError: invalid syntax During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/mailman", line 9, in <module> load_entry_point('mailman==3.1.0', 'console_scripts', 'mailman')() File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/bin/mailman.py", line 97, in main initialize(config_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 184, in initialize initialize_1(config_path) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/core/initialize.py", line 101, in initialize_1 xmlconfig.string(zcml.decode('utf-8')) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 513, in string processxmlfile(f, context) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 295, in processxmlfile parser.parse(src) File "/usr/lib64/python3.5/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 110, in parse xmlreader.IncrementalParser.parse(self, source) File "/usr/lib64/python3.5/xml/sax/xmlreader.py", line 125, in parse self.feed(buffer) File "/usr/lib64/python3.5/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 210, in feed self._parser.Parse(data, isFinal) File "/builddir/build/BUILD/Python-3.5.3/Modules/pyexpat.c", line 468, in EndElement File "/usr/lib64/python3.5/xml/sax/expatreader.py", line 370, in end_element_ns self._cont_handler.endElementNS(pair, None) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 281, in endElementNS None, sys.exc_info()[2]) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/_compat.py", line 38, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/xmlconfig.py", line 272, in endElementNS self.context.end() File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 345, in end self.stack.pop().finish() File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 452, in finish args = toargs(context, *self.argdata) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 794, in toargs args[str(name)] = field.fromUnicode(s) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/fields.py", line 73, in fromUnicode value = self.context.resolve(name) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/zope/configuration/config.py", line 151, in resolve mod = __import__(mname, *_import_chickens) File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/database/factory.py", line 22, in <module> import alembic.command File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/command.py", line 3, in <module> from .script import ScriptDirectory File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/script/__init__.py", line 1, in <module> from .base import ScriptDirectory, Script # noqa File "/usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/alembic/script/base.py", line 2, in <module> from dateutil import tz zope.configuration.xmlconfig.ZopeXMLConfigurationError: File "<string>", line 65.2-69.6 SyntaxError: invalid syntax (tz.py, line 78) And the same traceback from 'mailman start' https://pythonhosted.org/mailman/src/mailman/docs/START.html refers to src/mailman/config/schema.cfg, /usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/mailman/config/schema.cfg exists. http://docs.list.org/en/latest/prodsetup.html refers to "Your Django Site's settings.py". I don't have any (other) Django sites. "locate" turns up /usr/lib/python3.5/site-packages/django/conf/global_settings.py, but it looks to me as if Mailman needs one (or maybe one/list) Django site. Bottom line - I'd like to try Mailman 3 for a new project - especially since I pre-process inbound mail, and will have to speak LMTP. But I'm lost trying to follow the scattered docs that try to explain how to bring it up. Any pointers, or efforts to record a from-scratch install would be appreciated. Also, is version 3 supplying equivalents to the Mailman 2.1 list_lists and config_list utilities, or do I have to interface to the new REST API? (For the latter, I only really need to import and export the topics definitions....)

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Trouble with "Reply-to:"
by Frank Elsner 20 Jun '17

20 Jun '17

Hi, running mailman-2.1.12-26.el6.x86_64 under Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.9 we have trouble with the "Reply-To:" header settings. The list config contains first_strip_reply_to = 1 reply_goes_to_list = 2 reply_to_address = 'redacted(a)mailbox.tu-berlin.de' but mails going though the list have no "Reply-To:" line in header. What might be the cause? What overlooked? Where to look? Kind regards, Frank Elsner

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Can a list owner address be allowed to post to their own list?
by Jayson Smith 15 Jun '17

15 Jun '17

Hi, I'm in the design stages of creating a script for my own use. This script will send a predetermined Email to a predetermined mailing list. I want it to be set up so anyone receiving this message can just hit Reply and reach the list owner address, listname-owner@domain. Is there any problem with subscribing that address to the list in question, as long as it's set to Nomail? Or is there an easy way to tell a list to accept all mail from a certain address, even though it's not subscribed to the list? Thanks, Jayson

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Purging old archives over 7 years old
by Steven Jones 15 Jun '17

15 Jun '17

Hi, I have a 12year old mailman server which is absorbing 650gb of expensive disk space. Is there any feature that would go through each list's archives and delete emails over say 7 years old? (or maybe even only 3 as we do a yearly backup going back a decade). regards Steven

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List deletion confirmation (2nd attempt)
by Dang Tran 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Hi – Is it possible for the list owner(s) to receive notification when a list gets deleted? thanks Best, Dang

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Authenticated Received Chain in Mailman?
by Brett Delmage 14 Jun '17

14 Jun '17

Will Mailman 2 or 3 be incorporating Authenticated Received Chain (ARC) http://arc-spec.org/ ? I was unaware of this until today, when I saw ARC headers in my gmail test account when I was testing a Mailman server migration. "If you are a mailbox provider or intermediary (mailing list operator, message forwarder), you should be planning your ARC implementation now (March 2017). AOL and GMail already validate ARC headers, and more mailbox providers will come online with ARC in the second half 2017. Patches for the most popular mailing list managers (MLMs) will be available starting in March 2017..." Brett

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Problem with Public Forums on Ibiblio
by sherwin 09 Jun '17

09 Jun '17

Hi, For the past few days, I have been unable to get Ibiblio to respond to any of the postings on your public Ibiblio forum. Is there some kind of technical problem and if so, when can I expect things to come back up? Sherwin Dubren Forum Administrator for Midfex

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