Mailman 3 August 2018 - Mailman-Users

Running two list with same email prefix
by Andrea Cappelli 27 Feb '24

27 Feb '24

Hi all, I'm running a mail server with Debian Lenny, MTA is Postfix and i will use postfix-to-mailma.py script to run list I would set up Mailman for running mailing list with same email prefix on different domains, obvious with different list names For example we have ml.domain1.com and ml.domain2.net, i would like to have LISTADDRESS LISTNAME tech(a)ml.domain1.com tech-ml.domain1.com tech(a)ml.domain.2.net tech-ml.domain2.net In this way i can have the same address on differente domains and Mailman (my version is 2.1.11) can distinguish between lists because the list name is different. The list name will be also used to access web interface, so we have http://ml.domain1.com/mailman/admin/tech-ml.domain1.com http://ml.domain2.net/mailman/admin/tech-ml.domain2.net Is possible to accomplish this task? Any idea?

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Hide list address?
by Ricardo Kleemann 17 Nov '23

17 Nov '23

Hi, Is there any way to configure Mailman such that, for an announcement-only type list, when a message is sent to the list, the To: shows the member's address, rather than the list address? Some list software allows the ability to hide the list address itself, so that address is not advertised. I couldn't find any configuration specific to that.

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Using cronjob to remove and add members to a mailing list
by Jerry Barnabee 10 Aug '22

10 Aug '22

I want to be able to run a cronjob on my server that uses a php script to add new users and/or remove users from a mailing list. Not having any luck finding any simple examples. My thought is that the php script would get email addresses from a database (which I can do) and then feed them to a mailman command line to either add or remove a user. The cronjob is entered via Cpanel. Have several cronjobs that modify databases but have never tried something that would actually execute a unix command. Thanks, Pineyscripter

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions
by Andre de Azevedo Cunha 19 Apr '22

19 Apr '22

Hi, i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE. I configured my Hold.py was described bellow: replaced hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, _ MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size)) with rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size) _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_ The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? Thanks, André Dennis Putnam wrote: > >I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What >is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by >updates? There are two ways to proceed. You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade. A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after the lines GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel') I recommend the former as in # # Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered # message. # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') # # Replace Hold with local version # GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive. >Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such >as implicit destination? >On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size >> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with >> the lines >> >> >> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> # no return >> >> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace >> >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> >> with >> >> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) >> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice >> >> to reject the message or with >> >> raise Errors.DiscardMessage >> >> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's >> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put >> >> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard >> >> with the other imports near the beginning of the >> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with >> >> do_discard(mlist, msg) Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net [1]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Links: ------ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Newbie User
by David Elliott 18 Mar '22

18 Mar '22

Hi, I am a newbie to Mailman and cpanel and I need some help, please. I have set up a mailing list for my tennis club (about 300 on list) and it seems to work ok BUT each recipient only sees the mailing list name rather than his own email name in the 'to' box. One of the recipients recently did a 'reply to all' and consequently sent his reply to the whole mailing list. I'm sure there must be a way to prevent this but I can't find it! David Elliott

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Add "sender's name/email" to BODY of mail as header?
by Mal 17 Feb '21

17 Feb '21

I want all mails sent to the list to come from the list's email address... But, in this case, if the user forgets to sign their name at the bottom of their mail body, effectively the mail to the list is anonymous...! Is there a way to add the user name (or email address) to the top of each mail so that the mails have the name of the sender, while the mail itself comes from the list address? I have looked high and low for an answer, but noone seems to have the solution. Thank you! Mal

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Mailman CGI Error-Group mismatch error
by Wang, Mary Y 10 Sep '20

10 Sep '20

Hi, I received the following error this morning. So I rerun configure again with the following command: ./configure --with-cgi-id=apache --prefix=/var/mailman. I'm still getting the same error. Is there any place that I can look for so that I can debug this problem better? Perhaps, looking at the config history file or something. Any other places that I can check the cause of this error? "Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as group "nobody", but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "apache". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "nobody", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=apache'." Thanks Mary

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Find a smtp server to send out emails
by Leon 20 Mar '20

20 Mar '20

Hi, This problem is not caused by mailman, but I still want to give it a shot here. I'm hosting a mailing list on top of mailman. Emails are supposed to be sent out by AWS ses. However, ses requires that sender address must be verified, which leads to a problem that emails sent by subscribers to mailing list cannot be sent to other subcirbers, since their addresses are not verified. And it is impossible to verified every subscriber. Are there smtp service providers allowing unverified email address to send out emails, or do I have other solutions? Thanks. Leon

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Installing Mailman on a Debian system with Apache 2.4.2, CGI error!
by Jayson Smith 05 Dec '19

05 Dec '19

Hi, This is a weird one. I think of myself as knowing my way around Mailman pretty well for a user/admin/installer/upgrader. I'm upgrading to a Debian 9 system from CentOS 6.5. Debian's Apache configs took a bit of getting used to, but I actually like them better. It uses Apache 2.4.2. I wanted to install Mailman from source, since the latest version is 2.1.26, Debian has 2.1.23, and IIRC that's too old to have some screen reader optimizations I want. So I built, installed, all working well. I copied over the Mailman config from my CentOS system to use in Apache, making some changes so it'd work under 2.4.2. Here it is: -------------------- # # httpd configuration settings for use with mailman. # ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ <Directory /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/> AllowOverride None Options ExecCGI Require all granted </Directory> Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/ <Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public> Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Require all granted AddDefaultCharset Off </Directory> # Uncomment the following line, to redirect queries to /mailman to the # listinfo page (recommended). # RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo -------------------- The problem is that the CGI isn't working. If I go to http://temphostname/mailman/listinfo/mailman for example, Apache says /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/mailman doesn't exist. If I just go to /mailman/listinfo I get an Elf binary thrown at me, rather than the page saying there are no advertised lists. If I do the same thing from the server using the Lynx web browser, I get the same binary thrown at me, with a page title, "Mailman CGI error!" It sounds to me like Apache 2.4.2 isn't seeing that /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin is, in fact, CGI scripts, and is trying to treat them like regular files. Has something else changed between Apache versions? Thanks, Jayson

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Debugging mass invitations using web page interface...
by The Mailing List Server Admin 06 Sep '19

06 Sep '19

Dear Mailman Cognoscenti, I'm helping one of my list owners send out 5K plus invitations to students to subscribe to his mailing list. Our current configuration: Mailman v2.1.20 RHEL v5.11 Semdmail v8.13.8 Apache v2.2.3 Since this was the first time doing this, I suggested breaking the batch input into 3 groups, 50, 500, and the rest. The 50 went fine, as did the 500, but the largest batch gave him a generic web server error: > Internal Server Error > > The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was > unable to complete your request. > > Please contact the server administrator, root(a)conundrum.unh.edu and > inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might > have done that may have caused the error. > > More information about this error may be available in the server > error log. I looked at the logs and I couldn't find anything that hinted at what went wrong. So I asked the owner to send me the last back and I'd give it a try. I wrote a script that removed folks already subscribed to his list and split the remaining subscribers up into 6 files with a thousand records each. I just tried uploading the 1st batch of 1K, with the following options: Subscribe these users now... (*) Invite Send welcome message... (*) No Send notifications... (*) No And entered a 7 line paragraph explaining the invitation. I ended up having the same error happen. Looking at the Mailman logs, I can't see any difference before or after my submission. In the HTTPD logs, I see: >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [warn] [client 132.177.215.132] Timeout >> waiting for output from CGI script >> /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add >> [Fri Aug 26 19:59:23 2016] [error] [client 132.177.215.132] >> Premature end of script headers: admin, referer: >> https://lists.unh.edu/mailman/admin/campus.connection/members/add So is there an inherent limit to the number of invites that can be submitted via the web form? As a work around, how would I do large invites on behalf of the owner from the command line, including the 'extra text' that is allowed via the web interface? -- Cordially, the UNH Mailing List Server Admins Bill Costa, senior admin (603) 862-3056

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Re: [Mailman-Users] members not receiving their own messages.
by Mike Flannigan 15 Dec '18

15 Dec '18

For gmail, this is the fix: http://www.woodworth-ancestors.com/fix-gmail-problem-rootsweb/index.htm Users must do this. Mike On 8/21/2018 11:00 AM, mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > Hi all, > Members of lists I run that are all from a particular ISP aren't > seeing messages they post to my lists. > Someone sent me the below link. > If this can be implemented by me on my lists how can I do it? > > https://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue2-2017.asp. > > TIA.

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changing domains on Mailman implementation
by Keith Seyffarth 21 Sep '18

21 Sep '18

Is there an efficient way to change the domain name that mailman is affiliated with? I have two mailing lists that were created for an organization before that organization had their own domain. At the time the organization was sure they did not want their own domain and would not be getting a domain. Since then, they have chosen to get a domain and set up a web site. I would like to move their mailing lists onto their domain. It looks like the process for this is: 1) get the list of subscribers 2) delete the mailing list from the one domain (losing the archives) 3) create the mailing list on the new domain 4) subscribe the list of subscribers This process doesn't seem too difficult, but I would prefer to keep the archives, if possible. Both domains are on the same server, running CentOS7 and PLESK 12.5, if that makes a difference. Thanks, Keith

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Sorting pending requests?
by Mark J Bradakis 30 Aug '18

30 Aug '18

I have a feeling I may have asked this question a few years ago. Maybe not. When you go to the admin web page of pending moderator requests, the messages are presented in a list using alphabetical order of the sender. Is there a way to easily change this so they are presented by date, oldest to newest? Thanks, mjb.

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Multi-Server install
by Roger 29 Aug '18

29 Aug '18

I inherited a mult-server install of Mailman. During a recent upgrade of the servers, I'm realizing the master-qrunner.pid file is in the 'data' directory which is shared between the two servers. I have the lock file set to use the hostname in the name of the lock file. Shouldn't the PID file be in a local directory? the old servers had a cron entry to re-start mailman every night. I'm wondering if there was flakiness with a shared PID file going on that was 'fixed' by rebooting mailman nightly. Roger

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Something wrong with moving a list
by Richard Johnson 29 Aug '18

29 Aug '18

I recently moved a list from one server to another. Probably I missed something. Everything seems to be correct except that the footer which should be produced (using "Personalize: yes") doesn't get the values substituted with the real info. It looks like this: %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Is there something obvious I'm missing? /raj

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blocking bad digest replies
by Bernie Cosell 29 Aug '18

29 Aug '18

I'm a newcomer to replies [first time in many many years I've had digests on one of my lists, so it is all very new to me]. What I would like is to set up a content filter that 'holds' replies by sloppy posters. Specifically, I'd like to catch posts with a Subject line of "Re; <mylist digest>" and one that contains the 'footer' at the end of the post [both indicative of a sorta clueless poster who didn't do anything to trim down the digest]. I think/hope the content filtering can do something like that. Yes?? /B\ Bernie Cosell bernie(a)fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep --

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gid problem upgrading mailman under opensuse leap 42
by Lucio Chiappetti 28 Aug '18

28 Aug '18

I used to have on my machine a "personal" mailman installation managing a few small lists (mailman 2.1.14, opensuse 11, MTA=sendmail). I am now in the process of moving to a new machine with opensuse leap 42 (and mailman 2.1.26 bundled with the distro. MTA is still sendmail). I would like to share my arrangement, in particular the way I overcame the error execing script "wanted gid 67 got gid 2". The solution is not yet in production (the new machine shall replace the old machine and assume its hostname, so far it THINKS to have the old hostname via /etc/hosts but the DNS still says to the world the old machine has the old hostname, so I tested things only locally, but it looks they work ... the administration web interface runs under a temporary CNAME, and I was able to add a local user to a test list and send a message to it). The new distro has a README.SUSE file which looks unchanged since last time (and possibly has a problem with the gid's). So this is the procedure: (1) make sure /etc/sudoers on the new system contains the commands present on the old system (2) copy the entire /var/lib/mailman to the new system. This should contain the lists, archives, aliases and everything. (since rsync does not copy all files, a tar "preserving permissions and dates" was used for a few files) (3) make a2enflag MAILMAN to configure the new apache web server (it has already all necessary stuff as of old) (4) in sendmail.cf make sure to have the line O AliasFile=/etc/mail/aliases,/etc/mail/mailman.aliases (5) copy the old script /usr/sbin/mailman.aliases (this is a two-liner /bin/cp /var/lib/mailman/data/aliases /etc/mail/mailman.aliases /usr/bin/newaliases (6) copy the old local customization at end of mm_cfg.py, in particularly the three lines used to fake the MTA to be postfix while it is sendmail, and using the above script for aliases (delivery is SMTP direct) (7) in /etc/sysconfig/mailman set MAILMAN_MAIL_GID="daemon" Now according to the old procedure at this step one should issue command SuSEconfig -module mailman but this seems not to be working. So it is NECESSARY to edit manually file /etc/mailman/mailman.mail.gid and insert there "2" (the gid of daemon) FAILURE TO DO THIS GENERATES THE GID MISMATCH ERROR MENTIONED ABOVE (8) (re)start apache, sendmail and mailman -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Bassini 15 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "All that is google does not glitter Nor all who use alpine/procmail are lost"

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Templates for HTML-Pages and TXT-Messages
by Kai Thater 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

Hi, I am looking for a way to edit the templates for Welcome Messages, Usernotices etc. everything you can edit at /cgi-bin/mailman/edithtml/<listname> but for all lists that will be created. All Information I found was for very old Versions (from 2002) or for Mailman 3. Kind regards Kai

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Change system name after moving mailmain
by George R. Kasica 27 Aug '18

27 Aug '18

I relocated all the mailmain files to a new server (in AWS Cloud) and all is working well except the URLS its generating such as for admins to remove messages waiting approval all show the old system name for example: The skunk-works(a)netwrx1.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: http://eagle.netwrx1.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/skunk-works which should read: http://netwrx1-mail.netwrx1.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/skunk-works How and where can I modify this? I host file entry won't do it - it times out. Thanks --- George R. Kasica Phone: +1 414 732 8503 Fax: +1 206 374 6482 Owner Netwrx Consulting Jackson, WI USA gkasica(a)netwrx1.com http://www.netwrx1.com

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don't see where the mail is disappearing to
by Dave Stevens 24 Aug '18

24 Aug '18

I've got a set of lists that work as announcement only and which have been working fine. Between yesterday and today something has changed that results in no mail being distributed. I'm on the distribution lists. When I look at the debian /var/log/mail.log tail I see notifications about the relevant lists with a suffix (queue active). I take it that this indicates that mail can be sent in principle, is that right? Any suggestions about where to look for more info welcome. D

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members not receiving their own messages.
by Adam Morris 22 Aug '18

22 Aug '18

Hi all, Members of lists I run that are all from a particular ISP aren't seeing messages they post to my lists. Someone sent me the below link. If this can be implemented by me on my lists how can I do it? https://www.lsoft.com/news/techtipLSV-issue2-2017.asp. TIA. -- Adam Morris Jaws certified 2016 Email, iMessage & FaceTime adam(a)damorris.com

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Sender address as footer field?
by Jayson Smith 16 Aug '18

16 Aug '18

Hi, I run a mailing list where posters are supposed to put their Email address somewhere in their message to make private replies easier, but some don't, even after being reminded privately. A year or two ago I investigated putting the sender's Email address in the footer, but when I checked, that wasn't one of the substitutions that were available. If personalization is enabled I can give the Email address receiving the message, but not the sender. Are there any plans to include this as a substitution, or is there a simple patch which could be applied to source? Thanks, Jayson

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collect email
by Jesus Rivas 15 Aug '18

15 Aug '18

Hi, i want to collet the email who click on the link, there is a any way to get this something like: Email to list Text text text text text <a href=“www.mysite.com/?email=[get-email-from-list-who-deliver]”>My button link</a> someone maked this link like this? Thanks Saludos Cualquier duda estoy a tus ordenes. Dios te bendiga. Jesús Rivas Ayudante de Sistemas T. (01 81) 8123-1293 01 800 836 9407 website | vCard | facebook | twitter

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Link in list message footer
by Glen Page 15 Aug '18

15 Aug '18

That will work perfectly. Thanks! > On Aug 14, 2018, at 12:00 PM, mailman-users-request(a)python.org wrote: > > Send Mailman-Users mailing list submissions to > mailman-users(a)python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailman-users-request(a)python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailman-users-owner(a)python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Link in list message footer? (Glen Page) > 2. Re: Link in list message footer? (Mark Sapiro) > > From: Glen Page <glen.page(a)thet.net> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Link in list message footer? > Date: August 13, 2018 at 12:39:46 PM EDT > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > > > Is it possible to include an HTML link or links in the footer of list messages? We use mailman to send messages to parents of our students. We have our own mobile app and would love to be able to include a link to the app in both the Apple App store and the Google Play store if that is possible. > > Thanks in advance. > > Glen Page > Director of Information Technology > ThetNet - Thetford Academy > 802.785.4805.x231 > > > Never ask a man what computer he uses. If it's a Mac, he'll tell you. If it's not, why embarrass him? - Tom Clancy > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Link in list message footer? > Date: August 13, 2018 at 9:08:06 PM EDT > To: mailman-users(a)python.org > > > On 08/13/2018 09:39 AM, Glen Page wrote: >> Is it possible to include an HTML link or links in the footer of list messages? We use mailman to send messages to parents of our students. We have our own mobile app and would love to be able to include a link to the app in both the Apple App store and the Google Play store if that is possible. > > > The footer is always added in a text/plain part, either appended to a > text/plain message body or a separate part. > > Thus any HTML markup in the footer will be displayed as the raw HTML and > not rendered. However, if you just put the URL in the footer, preferably > enclosed in angle brackets, as in <http://www.example.com/xxx>, many > MUAs will render it as a clickable link. In any case, that's the best > you can do. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <mark(a)msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users mailing list > Mailman-Users(a)python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Glen Page Director of Information Technology ThetNet - Thetford Academy 802.785.4805.x231 "If you are not failing occasionally, you are not rolling big enough dice." - Alton Brown to 2011 NECI graduating classes.

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remove_members does not complete
by Con Wieland 15 Aug '18

15 Aug '18

mailman 2.1.15 When I do remove_members it does not complete. A ^C to kill it and I get this error [root@maillists bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n thehdguy(a)cathyscorner.us ^CTraceback (most recent call last): File "./remove_members", line 186, in <module> main() File "./remove_members", line 161, in main mlist = MailList.MailList(listname) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 128, in __init__ self.Lock() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 161, in Lock self.__lock.lock(timeout) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 312, in lock self.__sleep() File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/LockFile.py", line 496, in __sleep time.sleep(interval) KeyboardInterrupt I have reloaded and stpped and atrted mailman. No change Any ideas Con Wieland

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