Ok
Site5 and U Washington seem to be unable / unwilling to fix so
I tried mailmanlists.net from your link
there, messages to yahoo and aol pass fine
so as you say, probably time to change providers
and, to boot, mailmanlists.net is cheaper
thanks
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 10:18 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <turnbull.stephen.fw(a)u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
>
> Loren Engrav writes:
>
>> does anyone know of a Mailman host that successfully sends to yahoo
>> and aol addresses?
>
> Many do.
>
> Your problem is very unlikely to have anything to do with Mailman. As
> Mark points out, the status message says the connection is dropped
> abruptly at RCPT TO, so at that point the Yahoo/AOL server knows the
> following things:
>
> 1. Your Mailman host's IP address,
> 2. The domain name that your host claims
> 3. The "envelope return address", which is normally the address of
> the author of the post (for your test messages, that's you)
> 4. The addressees you're trying to deliver to.
>
> 4 is extremely unlikely to be the problem, as long as they're real
> addresses at those hosts (providers don't keep users very long if they
> refuse all mail to them!), and even if one is nonexistent, usually you
> get a failure for that address, but the others go through. You could
> try confirming that those addresses exist; if you have a pile of
> non-existent addresses, the receiving server might decide you're a
> spammer. However, most likely all (or 99%) of your addresses are
> valid, and as Mark suggested the receiving server is willing to
> deliver to certain administrative addresses such as "postmaster" and
> "abuse", but discards all others.
>
> 3 is not very likely unless you personally have offended Yahoo! quite
> severely so your tests don't go through, and of course any messages
> from others wouldn't be affected by your personal reputation.
>
> It's theoretically possible that a mismatch between 1 and 2 is the
> problem, although you say you've got your server correctly configured.
> The theoretical problem is that if looking up the IP address doesn't
> give the domain or vice versa, some hosts will refuse mail. But those
> hosts normally do that immediately without waiting for your envelope
> (the return address and the recipients). So this also is extremely
> unlikely to be the problem.
>
> So it looks like 1 or 2, i.e., the identity of your host, is the
> problem. That is, either that domain or the IP address it is using
> has been abusive in the past (spamming, phishing, DoS attacks, etc),
> and the reputation has not been rehabilitated.
>
> There's not much we can do to help, because it's a host configuration
> problem or reputation problem. I hate to say this because list admins
> hate to hear it, but you are dependent on your hosting provider. If
> they can't help you, your only good option is to switch providers.
> Here is a page with several pointers to providers of Mailman hosting:
>
> https://wiki.list.org/COM/Mailman%20hosting%20services
>
> Here's another with pointers to other pages with information about a
> variety of providers and related services:
>
> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Do%20you%20offer%20Mailman%20hosting%2C%20consult…
>
Greetings
I use Mailman (2.1.26) at Site5.com.
Several of the member addresses are @yahoo.com @aol.com and @outlook.com.
Messages to these address bounce and fail and / or just fail. Messages to other addresses pass.
The latest notice(s) are summarized below.
Site5 people cannot seem to fix this.
Any advice for me / Site5? (I am not expert at this)
Thank you
Loren Engrav
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his is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: testwg
Member: engravosaurusrex(a)aol.com <mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.
From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)gateway1.unifiedlayer.com <mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@gateway1.unifiedlayer.com> (Mail Delivery System)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Date: July 27, 2019 at 9:38:57 PM PDT
To: testwg-bounces(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi>
This is the mail system at host gateway1.unifiedlayer.com <http://gateway1.unifiedlayer.com/>.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.
The mail system
<engravosaurusrex(a)aol.com <mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>>: delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection
with mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net <http://mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net/>[98.136.101.116] while sending RCPT TO
Reporting-MTA: dns; gateway1.unifiedlayer.com <http://gateway1.unifiedlayer.com/>
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 47C7320078818
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; testwg-bounces(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi>
Arrival-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:13:17 -0500 (CDT)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; engravosaurusrex(a)aol.com <mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;engravosaurusrex(a)aol.com <mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.2
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection
with mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net <http://mx-aol.mail.gm0.yahoodns.net/>[98.136.101.116] while sending RCPT TO
From: testwg-request(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-request@engrav.mobi>
Subject: confirm 29e587acb271cfb11cfadd8ca325f3ffa9bd2fca
Date: July 27, 2019 at 7:13:15 PM PDT
To: engravosaurusrex(a)aol.com <mailto:engravosaurusrex@aol.com>
Your membership in the mailing list testwg has been disabled due to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated
27-Jul-2019.
If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner
at
testwg-owner(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-owner@engrav.mobi>
========================
This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:
List: testwg
Member: engravosaurus(a)yahoo.com <mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com>
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.
The triggering bounce notice is attached below.
Questions? Contact the Mailman site administrator at
mailman(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:mailman@engrav.mobi>.
From: MAILER-DAEMON(a)gateway13.unifiedlayer.com <mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@gateway13.unifiedlayer.com> (Mail Delivery System)
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender
Date: July 27, 2019 at 10:19:15 PM PDT
To: testwg-bounces(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi>
This is the mail system at host gateway13.unifiedlayer.com <http://gateway13.unifiedlayer.com/>.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.
The mail system
<engravosaurus(a)yahoo.com <mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com>>: delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with
mta5.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta5.am0.yahoodns.net/>[98.137.159.24] while sending RCPT TO
Reporting-MTA: dns; gateway13.unifiedlayer.com <http://gateway13.unifiedlayer.com/>
X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 598BC200A4FF9
X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; testwg-bounces(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg-bounces@engrav.mobi>
Arrival-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:53:54 -0500 (CDT)
Final-Recipient: rfc822; engravosaurus(a)yahoo.com <mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com>
Original-Recipient: rfc822;engravosaurus(a)yahoo.com <mailto:engravosaurus@yahoo.com>
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.2
Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection
with mta5.am0.yahoodns.net <http://mta5.am0.yahoodns.net/>[98.137.159.24] while sending RCPT TO
From: Loren Engrav <engrav(a)mac.com <mailto:engrav@mac.com>>
Subject: [testwg] 7:53 [#NAC-143-22422]: Email bounceback [uscentral427.accountservergroup.com <http://uscentral427.accountservergroup.com/>]
Date: July 27, 2019 at 7:53:36 PM PDT
To: testwg(a)engrav.mobi <mailto:testwg@engrav.mobi>
