Mailman-Users April 2022

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17 discussions

Problem with outlook.com
by nikos 15 Jun '22

15 Jun '22

Hello list. For some reason none of hotmail or outlook users don't receive any of our newsletter. Finally all of them auto unsubscribe. The following is an error received form protection.outlook.com: Remote Server returned '550 5.6.0 CAT.InvalidContent.Exception: ExchangeDataException, Decoding of header Subject failed+ADs- raw value: +AFs-Ps+AF0- +AD0-?iso8859-7?b?wer98fnz5yDF8OX05enh6t7yIOXq5N7r+-fPn8iDz9Oft?+AD0-; cannot handle content of message That happened since September 10th this year. Before, all received without problem. Any suggestions? Thank you in advance. Nikos.

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Weekly and month digests
by Mark Dale 01 May '22

01 May '22

Hi, I've encountered a puzzle where weekly digests are not being sent, and I'm trying to understand how periodic digests work. Daily digests and running the command below (as root) seems to work okay. /usr/bin/python /var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests -l <LISTNAME> Looking at Mailman's cron for digests I see the command for daily digests: cat /var/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in ... # Noon, mail digests for lists that do periodic as well as threshhold delivery. 0 12 * * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests ... All good there. For weekly and monthly digests to be sent should I add additional lines to Mailman's "crontab.in" (or even the system's crontab)? For example: # 3:00 PM every Friday 0 15 * * 5 /usr/bin/python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests # 9:00 AM first day of each month 0 9 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /var/lib/mailman/cron/senddigests Or does the "senddigests" script handle weekly and monthly digests by retrieving info from somewhere? And if so, where does Mailman get the information as to which digests should be sent weekly or monthly? And also if so, what day of the week/month should it be sending by default for those digests? Thanks in advance if anyone can straighten my head out on this. /Mark

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On an imported lists, I can send a mail to the list, it is archived BUT not relayed to the members.
by mailman＠computhings.be 27 Apr '22

27 Apr '22

Hello, Thanks for all the work on mailman3, wich I've installed to replace mailman2. On the new installation, I can create a new list, add members, send an recieve messages and they are properly archived and I'm happy because everything seems to be working as expected. But… With a list I created to importe the members and the archives, I have a problem. I followed this https://docs.mailman3.org/en/latest/migration.html to do the import. The result is that everything seems to be good except that, if I send a message, it is not relayed to the members. I tried by sending from my mail client and dirrecty from the web interface, the result is the same. The mail is received and archived and in the /var/log/mailman3/web/mailman-web.log I see a lot of « loops » with this kind of content : … [pid: 32617|app: -1|req: -1/57] ::1 () {38 vars in 782 bytes} [Tue Apr 26 15:25:30 2022] GET /hyperkitty/api/mailman/urls?mlist=THE-LIST%40SUB.DOMAIN.EXT.be&msgid=e7eab1aa-b592-9b6b-5912-0a1004ba4e10%40OTHERDOMAIN.EXT&key=bo44goajulr n0fa2bpt8zk2cxbaemlbq => generated 21 bytes in 0 msecs (HTTP/1.1 500) 2 headers in 83 bytes (0 switches on core 1) … To stop those « loops » and the logfile growing, I have to stop the mailman3 service and restart it. I have compared (based on the web interface) the setting of the « new list » and the « imported list », I found some small differences and even if I set the same settings, the result is the same. Any idea about where to search would be welcome… Regards, tierce

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How do I send an email to all list admins?
by Ralf Hildebrandt 27 Apr '22

27 Apr '22

How do I send an email to all list admins? I need to inform all list admins about a change concerning the "advertised" option (basically I want them to opt-in) I could use "bin/list_lists" and process the output by adding "-owner@domain" and make a list out of it -- but is there an easier way? -- Ralf Hildebrandt Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Campus Benjamin Franklin (CBF) Haus I | 1. OG | Raum 105 Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 ralf.hildebrandt(a)charite.de https://www.charite.de

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where can I find a searchable archive of list mails?
by Dave Stevens 21 Apr '22

21 Apr '22

for claws-mail specifically? (but not only) TIA Dave -- Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really believe it. Mark Twain

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How to delete large numbers of held messages
by lists＠g1fef.co.uk 21 Apr '22

21 Apr '22

We had a mail loop on one of our lists and ended up with over 51k messages in pending (held due to post not form a list member) Trying to delete them from the web UI will take forever, as the largest pagination you can view is 200 at a time. Tried to delete them from the Python interactive shell, but it looks like the API times out after a while. Is there another way to delete all these unwanted held posts? The problem comes after executing: <block> reqs = list(adminlist.held) </block> After a couple of minutes it comes back with: <block> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" http.client.RemoteDisconnected: Remote end closed connection without response During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 439, in send resp = conn.urlopen( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 755, in urlopen retries = retries.increment( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/util/retry.py", line 532, in increment raise six.reraise(type(error), error, _stacktrace) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/six.py", line 718, in reraise raise value.with_traceback(tb) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 699, in urlopen httplib_response = self._make_request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 445, in _make_request six.raise_from(e, None) File "<string>", line 3, in raise_from File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/urllib3/connectionpool.py", line 440, in _make_request httplib_response = conn.getresponse() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 1347, in getresponse response.begin() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 307, in begin version, status, reason = self._read_status() File "/usr/lib/python3.9/http/client.py", line 276, in _read_status raise RemoteDisconnected("Remote end closed connection without" urllib3.exceptions.ProtocolError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 107, in call response = request( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/api.py", line 61, in request return session.request(method=method, url=url, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 542, in request resp = self.send(prep, **send_kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/sessions.py", line 655, in send r = adapter.send(request, **kwargs) File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/adapters.py", line 498, in send raise ConnectionError(err, request=request) requests.exceptions.ConnectionError: ('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')) During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred: Traceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restobjects/mailinglist.py", line 123, in held response, content = self._connection.call( File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/mailmanclient/restbase/connection.py", line 135, in call raise MailmanConnectionError( mailmanclient.restbase.connection.MailmanConnectionError: ('Could not connect to Mailman API: ', "ConnectionError(ProtocolError('Connection aborted.', RemoteDisconnected('Remote end closed connection without response')))") </block>

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Automate Moderator Functions
by Andre de Azevedo Cunha 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hi, i`m trying to reject messages bigger then MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE. I configured my Hold.py was described bellow: replaced hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, _ MessageTooBig(bodylen,_mlist.max_message_size)) with rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size) _ raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice_ The message was rejected, but the sender dont receive any notify about that. The mailman vette log too. How can i solve this? Thanks, André Dennis Putnam wrote: > >I am getting back to this and I have a question about maintenance. What >is the correct way to modify this so that it will not get destroyed by >updates? There are two ways to proceed. You can modify Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py itself, but before overwriting it, make a "diff -u" between the base Hold.py and your modified version to use as a patch to apply after any upgrade. A better way is to leave Hold.py unchanged and make your own edited version as say Mailman/Handlers/MyHold.py. Then you can replace the base Hold.py Module with your MyHold.py by putting GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' in mm_cfg.py. Note that if you are going to do this, and you want also to move MimeDel before Hold, you must either put the above line after the lines GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') in mm_cfg.py or put it before, but then also change GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') to GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('MyHold'), 'MimeDel') I recommend the former as in # # Put MimeDel ahead of Hold so "too big" is based on content filtered # message. # GLOBAL_PIPELINE.remove('MimeDel') GLOBAL_PIPELINE.insert(GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold'), 'MimeDel') # # Replace Hold with local version # GLOBAL_PIPELINE[GLOBAL_PIPELINE.index('Hold')] = 'MyHold' Since mm_cfg.py survives upgrades, this should survive. >Also does this same procedure apply to other automatic rejections such >as implicit destination? >On 9/24/2012 8:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> To automatically reject or discard messages that exceed the list's size >> limit, find the section of the Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py that ends with >> the lines >> >> >> if bodylen/1024.0 > mlist.max_message_size: >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> # no return >> >> (there is one wrapped line in the above) and replace >> >> hold_for_approval(mlist, msg, msgdata, >> MessageTooBig(bodylen, >> mlist.max_message_size)) >> >> with >> >> rej = MessageTooBig(bodylen, mlist.max_message_size)) >> raise Errors.RejectMessage, rej.reason_notice >> >> to reject the message or with >> >> raise Errors.DiscardMessage >> >> to discard the message. Note that this will not honor the list's >> forward_auto_discards setting. to do that you would need to put >> >> from Mailman.Handlers.Moderate import do_discard >> >> with the other imports near the beginning of the >> Mailman.Handlers.hold.py module and then replace the lines with >> >> do_discard(mlist, msg) Yes, similar changes would apply to other holds in Hold.py. -- Mark Sapiro <mark at msapiro.net [1]> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan -- Links: ------ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users

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Applying contradicting posting permissions at the same time
by Дилян Палаузов 18 Apr '22

18 Apr '22

Hello, I want to setup a mailing list with following properties: All emails with explicit non-members with moderation option “Default Processing” are distrubuted to the mailing list. Emails from members are rejected. As example m(a)example.org is a member, and n(a)example.org is a non-member with Default processing moderation. An email From: m(a)example.org Sender: n(a)example.org shall be distributed, because n(a)example.org is а non-member, who can post. In my configuration however, the email is rejected, because m(a)example.org is a member and members may not post. Is it possible to configure a MM3 mailing list, which accepts the above email, but would reject it, if the Sender: header is missing? Greetings Дилян

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The Hotmail complaint saga continues
by Jayson Smith 15 Apr '22

15 Apr '22

Hi, Last week I wrote this list about a situation where I'd received an Email from staff(a)hotmail.com with the subject, "complaint about message from MYI.PAD.DRE.SS." Then later I received a second such message, identified both complainants as the same person, let her know she'd be put on No Mail if she did it again, and received a response from her saying she's never marked one of my messages as spam or junk. The other night I received a third such complaint, duly put her on No Mail, and sent her an Email about it. At that point, I was pretty sure these complaints were being generated by some automated process, since they always came in within two to four minutes of the original messages going out. However, this theory was somewhat squashed when she supposedly complained about the very message telling her that due to complaints she was on No Mail…then responded, indicating she has COVID-19 and is putting off everything not critical until later. I sent that message yesterday morning, and the complaint came in this evening, with her response coming about twenty minutes later. This makes me think she's doing something to cause a complaint to be generated, and doesn't realize she's doing it. My questions are as follows: 1. Is Linode, my VPS provider, also receiving these complaints? If so, I'm surprised they haven't at least sent me a notice telling me about them. 2. Does anyone know if having received these complaints might cause Microsoft to be more likely to add my IP to their infamous block list? If they do, I'm going to be in a bad position, because they'd be well within their rights to say, "You've received four complaints within the last three weeks, so no, we won't mitigate anything for you. Get your Email sending practices in order, then maybe someday we'll talk." 3. I haven't ever received such complaints before this situation started on March 24. Is Microsoft noted for somehow generating spurious complaints like this? If so, is that the reason I'm not getting hounded about it from Linode, the "Little Boy who Cried Wolf" situation? Thanks for any thoughts, Jayson

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Unsubscribe functionality and Apple Mail
by André-John Mas 15 Apr '22

15 Apr '22

Hi, I am not sure if this is the best place to ask, but I am noticing that depending on the mailman server I am subscribed to, Apple Mail shows me an 'unsubscribe' button, while for others it doesn't. One such mailing list where I don't get the unsubscribe button is macports-users(a)lists.macports.org, so I am trying to establish whether the behavioural issue is coming from? Is it from a header issue in the email or a mis-handling by Apple Mail. BTW there does appear to be a "List-Unsubscribe" header from what I can see, though I don't know enough to know if it is as expected. I am using Apple Mail 16.0 on macOS 12.3.1. Their mailman server is 2.1.29. Thanks Andre

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