Mark Sapiro wrote: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 10:10:34 -0800
On 01/12/2018 07:43 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Is this live sample of an Uncaught bounce notification useful to forward to developers to extend pattern matching.
http://berklix.com/~jhs/tmp/mailman/uncaught_bounce_notification/1
Thank you for your report. In this case, the message that is an "unrecognized bounce" is not an actual bounce of a list message. It is a message (looks like spam)
Thanks Mark, It's not spam, but a bilingual German & English change of address, presumably from an auto responder from a subscribed address (I checked). as per From: Dave Dowdy <dddowdy@tripled.de>
sent directly to the gea-chat-bounces@...
Which I assume it got from list header of previous post to list: Errors-to: gea-chat-bounces@mailman.berklix.org Sender: "Gea-chat" <gea-chat-bounces@mailman.berklix.org>
address. This happens from time to time, but short of Mailman trying to recognize spam sent to the -bounces address, there's nothing we can do, and spam recognition and filtering is better done at the incoming MTA level.
OK, I accept that spam filtering is best left to other tools, but this is not spam, but an auto responce from a subscribed address, so if mailman could recognise it automaticaly it would be nice.
From: Grant Taylor Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:16:46 -0700 (19:16 CET)
Is this live sample of an Uncaught bounce notification useful to forward to developers to extend pattern matching.
http://berklix.com/~jhs/tmp/mailman/uncaught_bounce_notification/1
I highly doubt it.
The bounce that is in the email you linked to looks to be more an auto-reply than an actual bounce.
The message that Mailman is considering to be an uncaught bounce does not have any of the typical hallmarks of any DSNs or MDNs that I've seen.
- It is a single text/plain, not the expected multipart/report.
- It is auto-replied (vacation), not auto-generated (failure).
- It looks like a message that a human wrote (in two languages.)
- It has an In-Reply-To header, which I've never seen in DSNs.
My opinion is that this is the exact type of use case for a bounce message to be escalated to a human.
Thanks. At berklix.org I have no time for subscribers who consume list owners' time with auto responders, I like mailman to auto detect automatic response noise, & count & auto unsubscribe continuing noisy subscrbers.
In case the sample is of use I will leave it here for a bit: http://berklix.com/~jhs/tmp/mailman/uncaught_bounce_notification/1
Cheers, Julian
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