On 10/24/2017 03:53 PM, Terry . wrote:
Mark, I might pass your generous offer to work with cPanel, on to the webhost (again), to be passed on to cPanel ...
That would be good. Emphasize that I am the person who does all the upstream maintenance of Mailman 2.1 and that I want to work with them to resolve this issue.
Of course, the resolution is problematic, because I really think your workaround is the correct solution.
Here's why.
Notifications to list -owner addresses are sent with envelope from the site list -bounces address to avoid bounce loops that would occur if they were sent with envelope from the list -bounces address if the -owner address is actually bouncing (because it's not deliverable, not because of sender verify).
In a normal (non-cPanel) installation this will result in the bounce going to the site list owner which is reasonable.
If we fix cPanel's Exim config to understand that mailman-bounces@your.domain is really the -bounces address for the site list, those bounces will go to the site list owner which in the cPanel case is often the web host who (with a few notable exceptions of which I am aware) knows nothing about Mailman or your lists.
With your workaround, they go to you and you are in a better position to deal with undeliverable owner addresses for lists in your domain.
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