Stephen you are my hero!
Regards, Brian
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-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-bounces+brian=emwd.com@python.org [mailto:mailman- users-bounces+brian=emwd.com@python.org] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Turnbull Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:33 PM To: Charles Marcus Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Charles Marcus writes:
No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server.
Everybody here concedes that, I think.
If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that is their choice and their risk (of lost messages).
But the problem is that *Brian* (as an example) is an ISP whose reliability comes into question not because *his* customers use Yahoo, but because *his customers'* customers (subscribers, whatever) use Yahoo. His customers are paying him money so that he takes care of the mail; they do not want to tell their customers to change their mail services.
Worst of all, if spam gets through, it's definitely Yahoo's fault (although shared with everybody else in the pipeline); they *could* have stopped it, for sure. But if mail delivery is poor, you get fingers pointing in every direction, and Yahoo is quite justified in claiming that even if they make their best effort, they can't deliver mail that got lost somewhere else. Yahoo's customers are going to be disposed to believe that the problem is indeed elsewhere (the alternative is accepting their own responsibility for choosing a broken service, you see).
So Brian (and other ISPs/hosting services like his) is caught in the middle. He can't guarantee reliability because that depends on the customers' customer base, but reliability is what he takes pride in.
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