Inconsistent post approval options
Hi,
We have Mailman set up to moderate everyone's first posting. Normally, the approval screen has a checkbox at the bottom that says something like "uncheck this poster's moderation bit." Normally, moderators check that box as they approve each poster's first posting. But occasionally, I see something else. See the enclosed for an example. Can anyone explain what it means when that happens?
Thanks!
-- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams dave@boost-consulting.com writes:
Hi,
We have Mailman set up to moderate everyone's first posting. Normally, the approval screen has a checkbox at the bottom that says something like "uncheck this poster's moderation bit." Normally, moderators check that box as they approve each poster's first posting. But occasionally, I see something else. See the enclosed for an example. Can anyone explain what it means when that happens?
Fantastic; this list strips enclosures. You can see the page at http://www.luannocracy.com/mailman.html
Please help solve this mystery!
-- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
At 8:57 AM -0500 2005-03-03, David Abrahams wrote:
Fantastic; this list strips enclosures.
Yup. That's intentional.
You can see the page at http://www.luannocracy.com/mailman.html
It looks to me like eckhardt@satorlaser.com is not a subscriber
to the list. That would explain why there's not moderate bit for you to clear for this person.
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Brad Knowles brad@stop.mail-abuse.org writes:
At 8:57 AM -0500 2005-03-03, David Abrahams wrote:
Fantastic; this list strips enclosures.
Yup. That's intentional.
You can see the page at http://www.luannocracy.com/mailman.html
It looks to me like eckhardt@satorlaser.com is not a subscriber to the list. That would explain why there's not moderate bit for you to clear for this person.
Our list is set up so that non-subscribers get automatically rejected and told they need to subscribe before posting. Normally we never get a chance to manually approve (or reject) postings from non-subscribers.
-- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
Brad Knowles brad@stop.mail-abuse.org writes:
At 8:57 AM -0500 2005-03-03, David Abrahams wrote:
Fantastic; this list strips enclosures.
Yup. That's intentional.
You can see the page at http://www.luannocracy.com/mailman.html
It looks to me like eckhardt@satorlaser.com is not a subscriber to the list. That would explain why there's not moderate bit for you to clear for this person.
Our list is set up so that non-subscribers get automatically rejected and told they need to subscribe before posting. Normally we never get a chance to manually approve (or reject) postings from non-subscribers.
Filters are applied in an order determined by the GLOBAL_PIPELINE list in Defaults.py or mm_cfg.py or the list's own pipeline attribute if it has one. Moderate is not the first filter applied, thus a post from a Moderated bember could be caught by another filter first. Likewise, a post from a non-member can be caught by another filter first.
In the case you show, the post was held for:
Reason: Message body is too big: 94200 bytes with a limit of 75 KB
This test is applied in the Hold handler and thus takes priority over any filters applied by later handlers.
However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro wrote:
However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
Except, as Brad correctly notes, this post looks like it came from a non-member because the "Add to filters" and Ban options are shown as opposed to the notation that the poster is a list member. Maybe the list does use a non-default pipeline or maybe I'm missing something in the sequence of how these are handled.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net writes:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
Except, as Brad correctly notes, this post looks like it came from a non-member because the "Add to filters" and Ban options are shown as opposed to the notation that the poster is a list member. Maybe the list does use a non-default pipeline
I seriously doubt that. DongInn, you didn't do anything funky with the Mailman filter pipeline, did you?
or maybe I'm missing something in the sequence of how these are handled.
I think we still have a mystery here, then.
-- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams dave@boost-consulting.com writes:
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net writes:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
Except, as Brad correctly notes, this post looks like it came from a non-member because the "Add to filters" and Ban options are shown as opposed to the notation that the poster is a list member. Maybe the list does use a non-default pipeline
I seriously doubt that. DongInn, you didn't do anything funky with the Mailman filter pipeline, did you?
He has confirmed that it's the standard pipeline.
or maybe I'm missing something in the sequence of how these are handled.
I think we still have a mystery here, then.
Ditto.
-- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
David Abrahams dave@boost-consulting.com writes:
Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net writes:
Mark Sapiro wrote:
However, both list membership and moderation are handled in the Moderate handler which normally comes before Hold in the pipeline, so presumably, the poster of this message is a list member and is not moderated if this list uses the default pipline.
Except, as Brad correctly notes, this post looks like it came from a non-member because the "Add to filters" and Ban options are shown as opposed to the notation that the poster is a list member. Maybe the list does use a non-default pipeline
I seriously doubt that. DongInn, you didn't do anything funky with the Mailman filter pipeline, did you?
He has confirmed that it's the standard pipeline.
or maybe I'm missing something in the sequence of how these are handled.
I think we still have a mystery here, then.
Ditto.
Do we? The screen at http://www.luannocracy.com/mailman.html says the message was held because "Reason: Message body is too big: 94200 bytes with a limit of 75 KB". Was the message in fact too big? If so, it was held for a valid reason.
The only issue is whether it should have been held for "moderated member" instead. If in fact, it was posted by a moderated member, it should be held for that reason because that test precedes the too big test.
Likewise if it was posted by a non-member.
But if it was posted by a unmoderated member, it would be held for "too big" as it was. The fact that the page at the above link seems to indicate the post is from a non-member is not relevant because it determines membership status at the time the admindb page was visited, not at the time of the post. If the poster unsubscribed or changed e-mail address after posting, the admindb page may not be correct about membership status.
You could check your mailman subscribe log to determine if the poster was a member at the time of the post, but this won't give moderation status. Also it won't show if the member changed his/her e-mail address.
-- Mark Sapiro msapiro@value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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