When I send a message to my Mailman lists (for which I'm a member), I get the original formatted message. (I put pictures and dress it up: it's announcing theatre events, good to spice it up).
Some (all?) of my membership apparently have the formatting stripped, and just get plain text. Does mailman strip formatting? If so, why does it appear formatted to me? And can I let the formatting pass on through? I see no obvious properties that seem to control this ("plain" on the Membership Management refers to a digest, which is not what I'm intending, nor wish to have used in that manner).
Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD
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"The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck)
Chuck Puckett wrote:
There are two possibilities. Posibility one is you are looking at your sent message or a Cc: or Bcc: that you sent to yourself.
Possibility two is that the list is actually sending the post out as received from you, but it is multipart/alternative with a text/plain part and a text/html part and those users who don't see the formatting have their MUAs set to display the text/plain alternative or have MUAs that don't recognize MIME email.
The controls are under Content filtering (Is that not obvious?). The simplest thing, especially if this is an announce list and you do all the posting, is to set filter_content to No. Then Mailman will send the post as received with only the possible addition of msg_header and msg_footer if any.
If your list is already set this way, then the issue is probably possibility two above.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark,
Hmmm. Not sure that Content Filtering is the obvious place, at least for me. I tend to separate (in my mind) content from format. And never been to that particular page before, so didn't really think about it.
In any case: filter_content is already set to No. pass_mime_types has multipart/mixed, /alternative and text/plain. Instructions say "Leave this field blank to skip this filter test", which might lead one to blank out the field. But I suspect this is default, yes? I've certainly never touched anything on this page.
convert_html_to_plaintext is set to Yes, and that looks suspicious. Seems like I'd want it No, and pass_mime_types blanked out, if I understand commentary (which is doubtful). But the top guy is set to NO, so that implies rest of the settings are probably ignored.
I mean, the people that are getting these messages are overwhelmingly Windows/likely Outlook users. I don't think most of them would know MIME from MISSOURI. Is there something they'd need to do that's not done by default?
Btw: I never copy myself to CC: or BCC: I just send to the list, and I get a nicely formatted message.
Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD
www.puckettpublishing.com
"The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck)
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:30 PM To: Chuck Puckett; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatted email
Chuck Puckett wrote:
There are two possibilities. Posibility one is you are looking at your sent message or a Cc: or Bcc: that you sent to yourself.
Possibility two is that the list is actually sending the post out as received from you, but it is multipart/alternative with a text/plain part and a text/html part and those users who don't see the formatting have their MUAs set to display the text/plain alternative or have MUAs that don't recognize MIME email.
The controls are under Content filtering (Is that not obvious?). The simplest thing, especially if this is an announce list and you do all the posting, is to set filter_content to No. Then Mailman will send the post as received with only the possible addition of msg_header and msg_footer if any.
If your list is already set this way, then the issue is probably possibility two above.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Chuck Puckett wrote:
That is correct. if filter_content is No, no content filtering is done and the rest settings on the page are irrelevant.
You are receiving the post as sent from Mailman. It is sent to everyone else in the same way. It is possible, but very unlikely that something in the mail delivery system is altering the message that these users see. Much, much more likely is that their actual MUA (mail reader, mail client) is not displaying the formatting.
Many MUA's will not load images in formatted email by default for security/privacy reasons. I have no idea what the MS Outlook defaults are or how to change them.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Chuck Puckett wrote:
There are two possibilities. Posibility one is you are looking at your sent message or a Cc: or Bcc: that you sent to yourself.
Possibility two is that the list is actually sending the post out as received from you, but it is multipart/alternative with a text/plain part and a text/html part and those users who don't see the formatting have their MUAs set to display the text/plain alternative or have MUAs that don't recognize MIME email.
The controls are under Content filtering (Is that not obvious?). The simplest thing, especially if this is an announce list and you do all the posting, is to set filter_content to No. Then Mailman will send the post as received with only the possible addition of msg_header and msg_footer if any.
If your list is already set this way, then the issue is probably possibility two above.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Mark,
Hmmm. Not sure that Content Filtering is the obvious place, at least for me. I tend to separate (in my mind) content from format. And never been to that particular page before, so didn't really think about it.
In any case: filter_content is already set to No. pass_mime_types has multipart/mixed, /alternative and text/plain. Instructions say "Leave this field blank to skip this filter test", which might lead one to blank out the field. But I suspect this is default, yes? I've certainly never touched anything on this page.
convert_html_to_plaintext is set to Yes, and that looks suspicious. Seems like I'd want it No, and pass_mime_types blanked out, if I understand commentary (which is doubtful). But the top guy is set to NO, so that implies rest of the settings are probably ignored.
I mean, the people that are getting these messages are overwhelmingly Windows/likely Outlook users. I don't think most of them would know MIME from MISSOURI. Is there something they'd need to do that's not done by default?
Btw: I never copy myself to CC: or BCC: I just send to the list, and I get a nicely formatted message.
Chuck Puckett, Esq., BS, ~MS, ThD
www.puckettpublishing.com
"The unexamined life is not worth living." (Socrates) "The unexamined faith is not worth believing." (Chuck) "Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind." (Arabian proverb) "I don't want to steal the show... I only want to borrow it for a while." (Chuck)
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:msapiro@value.net] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:30 PM To: Chuck Puckett; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Formatted email
Chuck Puckett wrote:
There are two possibilities. Posibility one is you are looking at your sent message or a Cc: or Bcc: that you sent to yourself.
Possibility two is that the list is actually sending the post out as received from you, but it is multipart/alternative with a text/plain part and a text/html part and those users who don't see the formatting have their MUAs set to display the text/plain alternative or have MUAs that don't recognize MIME email.
The controls are under Content filtering (Is that not obvious?). The simplest thing, especially if this is an announce list and you do all the posting, is to set filter_content to No. Then Mailman will send the post as received with only the possible addition of msg_header and msg_footer if any.
If your list is already set this way, then the issue is probably possibility two above.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Chuck Puckett wrote:
That is correct. if filter_content is No, no content filtering is done and the rest settings on the page are irrelevant.
You are receiving the post as sent from Mailman. It is sent to everyone else in the same way. It is possible, but very unlikely that something in the mail delivery system is altering the message that these users see. Much, much more likely is that their actual MUA (mail reader, mail client) is not displaying the formatting.
Many MUA's will not load images in formatted email by default for security/privacy reasons. I have no idea what the MS Outlook defaults are or how to change them.
-- Mark Sapiro <msapiro@value.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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