Mailman lists are set up but posts to the lists are not arriving
Hi,
I have set up Mailman and can create lists etc. I can subscribe to the lists but I can't post to the lists. The posts don't get delivered.
I have looked at the FAQs and searched the WIKI but I can't find an answer to my problem. I have been working on this for days. Cann someone please help me?
I using:
Mailman version: 2.1.14 Python 2.5.2 Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.5 Exim version 4.69 #1 built 30-Sep-2008 18:54:33
my configuration is:
MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman' --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim --with-cgi-gid=www-data
I have tried to apply to the content of section 6.2 in the mailman-2.1.14-1/doc/mailman-install.txt
/etc/exim4/conf.d/main/04_local_mailman_macros /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/970_local_mailman /etc/exim4/conf.d/./transport/40_local_mailman
The content of my: syslog apache error logs and mailman error logs
tell me nothing that I can understand.
Can someone help?
Thanks.
John
jhock wrote:
The above is wrong. Assuming that
MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman'
are from your exim config and
--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim --with-cgi-gid=www-data
were options to configure, it should have been
--with-mail-gid=mailman
I.e. whateve you configure with --with-mail-gid must match MAILMAN_GROUP.
Did you read the note at the beginning of section 6.2 which says in part "The updated document is here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html and is recommended over the information in the subsections below if you are using Exim 4."
Well, you are coming here for help because we might be able to understand what's in those logs, but not if we don't see them. The apache logs aren't relevant to "can't post" issues, but the other's are, so what's in them.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 22:07 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Hi Mark,
Thanks for your prompt reply.
The exim4 daemon runs with group id = Debian-exim. That is why I configured Mailman --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim. I assumed that the mail-gid was the group id of the mail daemon.
However, I have reconfigured Mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman as you suggested.
That document is even less helpful. It doesn't mention what files to add the lines:
MM_HOME=/var/mailman MM_UID=mailman MM_GID=mailman
and
domainlist mm_domains=list.example.com
There is nothing in the mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py that has MM_HOME etc. however there is reference to MAILMAN_HOME etc. Hence I used what was in the documentation with the mailman/doc/mailman-install.txt files.
I have no idea in which file(s) to add the:
accept domains = +local_domains endpass message = unknown user verify = recipient and
accept hosts = 127.0.0.1
content.
The list verification output seemed to be correct so I guess the content of the mailman/docs/mailman-install.txt file worked expect that the messages were not getting through.
I think that the exim4 needs to be changes to allow to and from external emails but I have no idea how to do this.
The entry in the exim4/rejectlog is:
2011-09-16 14:53:08 H=localhost (asdd.osdm.gov.au) [127.0.0.1] F=<mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au> temporarily rejected RCPT <info@mymaps.gov.au>: expected "sender[=address]", "recipient", "helo", "header_syntax", "header_sender" or "reverse_host_lookup" at start of ACL condition "verify recipients"
I tried Googling part of that string but I didn't find anything to overcome the problem.
The entry in the mailman/log/post file is:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) post to mymaps-l from mailman-bounces@mymaps.gov.au, size=551, message-id=<mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au>, 1 failures
The entry in the smtp file is:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) <mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au> smtp to mymaps-l for 1 recips, completed in 0.069 seconds
The entries in the smtp-failure file are:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) All recipients refused: {'info@mymaps.gov.au': (451, 'Temporary local problem - please try later')}, msgid: <mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au> Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) delivery to info@mymaps.gov.au failed with code 451: Temporary local problem - please try later
Does this help you tell me what I need to do?
Thanks.
John
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:20, jhock <jhock@iinet.net.au> wrote:
You will need some Debian-centric instructions to achieve this.
http://albertech.net/2009/09/debian-installing-mailman-with-exim4/
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223
I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:45:39AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Or, of course, you could try and revert to a more normal (saner) exim deployment, viz the monolithic singular configuration file, which is as trivial as crafting an Exim config file, but ensuring it's named exim4.conf, and with the hard-coded permissions pkg-exim4 expects.
(ugh. pkg-exim4)
-- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw
jhock wrote:
You have set the MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP macros to 'mailman'. The suggested mailman transport for exim contains
user = MAILMAN_USER group = MAILMAN_GROUP
which tells Exim to run the pipe to the wrapper as user:group = mailman:mailman. If Exim has sufficient privilege do do so, it will.
I refrained from referring you to the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD> in my initial reply because it appeared you were installing Mailman from source, however, as others have pointed out, the document at <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html> is written from the point of view of a "normal" Exim configuration where everything is in one large file. You are apparently trying to install Mailman in a "hybrid" manner where you have installed Mailman from source, but are still using the (Debian/Ubuntu ?) Exim/Mailman packaging. Thus, the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD> is applicable.
Everything in section 6.2 of the install manual is Exim configuration. Nothing goes in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py should never be changed for reasons discussed in the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>.
If you had a standard Exim config, thos would go (actually, the first would probably alreade be) in the ACL CONFIGURATION section of exim.conf under acl_check_rcpt:. I have no idea into which sub-file your configuration has split that off.
This indicates a syntax error somewhere in the acl_check_rcpt: section of your exim configuration. What did you change there?
These all say that Exim has temporarily rejected outgoing mail from Mailman because of the initial error.
What does
exim -f mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au
-bt info@mymaps.gov.au
or perhaps
exim -d -f mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au
-bt info@mymaps.gov.au
tell you?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
jhock wrote:
The above is wrong. Assuming that
MAILMAN_USER = 'mailman' MAILMAN_GROUP = 'mailman'
are from your exim config and
--with-mail-gid=Debian-exim --with-cgi-gid=www-data
were options to configure, it should have been
--with-mail-gid=mailman
I.e. whateve you configure with --with-mail-gid must match MAILMAN_GROUP.
Did you read the note at the beginning of section 6.2 which says in part "The updated document is here: http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html and is recommended over the information in the subsections below if you are using Exim 4."
Well, you are coming here for help because we might be able to understand what's in those logs, but not if we don't see them. The apache logs aren't relevant to "can't post" issues, but the other's are, so what's in them.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 22:07 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Hi Mark,
Thanks for your prompt reply.
The exim4 daemon runs with group id = Debian-exim. That is why I configured Mailman --with-mail-gid=Debian-exim. I assumed that the mail-gid was the group id of the mail daemon.
However, I have reconfigured Mailman --with-mail-gid=mailman as you suggested.
That document is even less helpful. It doesn't mention what files to add the lines:
MM_HOME=/var/mailman MM_UID=mailman MM_GID=mailman
and
domainlist mm_domains=list.example.com
There is nothing in the mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py that has MM_HOME etc. however there is reference to MAILMAN_HOME etc. Hence I used what was in the documentation with the mailman/doc/mailman-install.txt files.
I have no idea in which file(s) to add the:
accept domains = +local_domains endpass message = unknown user verify = recipient and
accept hosts = 127.0.0.1
content.
The list verification output seemed to be correct so I guess the content of the mailman/docs/mailman-install.txt file worked expect that the messages were not getting through.
I think that the exim4 needs to be changes to allow to and from external emails but I have no idea how to do this.
The entry in the exim4/rejectlog is:
2011-09-16 14:53:08 H=localhost (asdd.osdm.gov.au) [127.0.0.1] F=<mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au> temporarily rejected RCPT <info@mymaps.gov.au>: expected "sender[=address]", "recipient", "helo", "header_syntax", "header_sender" or "reverse_host_lookup" at start of ACL condition "verify recipients"
I tried Googling part of that string but I didn't find anything to overcome the problem.
The entry in the mailman/log/post file is:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) post to mymaps-l from mailman-bounces@mymaps.gov.au, size=551, message-id=<mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au>, 1 failures
The entry in the smtp file is:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) <mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au> smtp to mymaps-l for 1 recips, completed in 0.069 seconds
The entries in the smtp-failure file are:
Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) All recipients refused: {'info@mymaps.gov.au': (451, 'Temporary local problem - please try later')}, msgid: <mailman.1.1316133151.10188.mymaps-l@mymaps.gov.au> Sep 16 14:53:08 2011 (25420) delivery to info@mymaps.gov.au failed with code 451: Temporary local problem - please try later
Does this help you tell me what I need to do?
Thanks.
John
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:20, jhock <jhock@iinet.net.au> wrote:
You will need some Debian-centric instructions to achieve this.
http://albertech.net/2009/09/debian-installing-mailman-with-exim4/
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223
I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:45:39AM +0300, Odhiambo Washington wrote:
Or, of course, you could try and revert to a more normal (saner) exim deployment, viz the monolithic singular configuration file, which is as trivial as crafting an Exim config file, but ensuring it's named exim4.conf, and with the hard-coded permissions pkg-exim4 expects.
(ugh. pkg-exim4)
-- "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw
jhock wrote:
You have set the MAILMAN_USER and MAILMAN_GROUP macros to 'mailman'. The suggested mailman transport for exim contains
user = MAILMAN_USER group = MAILMAN_GROUP
which tells Exim to run the pipe to the wrapper as user:group = mailman:mailman. If Exim has sufficient privilege do do so, it will.
I refrained from referring you to the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD> in my initial reply because it appeared you were installing Mailman from source, however, as others have pointed out, the document at <http://www.exim.org/howto/mailman21.html> is written from the point of view of a "normal" Exim configuration where everything is in one large file. You are apparently trying to install Mailman in a "hybrid" manner where you have installed Mailman from source, but are still using the (Debian/Ubuntu ?) Exim/Mailman packaging. Thus, the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/OIDD> is applicable.
Everything in section 6.2 of the install manual is Exim configuration. Nothing goes in mm_cfg.py and Defaults.py should never be changed for reasons discussed in the FAQ at <http://wiki.list.org/x/fIA9>.
If you had a standard Exim config, thos would go (actually, the first would probably alreade be) in the ACL CONFIGURATION section of exim.conf under acl_check_rcpt:. I have no idea into which sub-file your configuration has split that off.
This indicates a syntax error somewhere in the acl_check_rcpt: section of your exim configuration. What did you change there?
These all say that Exim has temporarily rejected outgoing mail from Mailman because of the initial error.
What does
exim -f mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au
-bt info@mymaps.gov.au
or perhaps
exim -d -f mailman-bounces+info=mymaps.gov.au@mymaps.gov.au
-bt info@mymaps.gov.au
tell you?
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
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