Re-loading Changed Mailman Config Files - How?
RELOAD MM_CFG.PY -- HOW?
I modify mm_cfg.py with new values, but established
lists are not effected. They continue to use the
old values. How do I tell mailman to reread this
config file regarding already in use lists?
(Even modifying Defaults.py produces no change -
yeah, I tried just as a test).
Rebooting the server does not make mailman reread its config files... (!)
I am guessing for every list that is created, a snapshot is taken of these files and stored with each individual list... but where... I can not find... these individual per list config files.
WEB INTERFACE
I determines I was still having problems with the web interface as like the docs said apache was running as nobody, and rather than recompile the thing and start over -with-cgi-gid, I came to the realization I didn't want my users posts read *at all* from the web... this would be a big security hole for a private list, and I'm sure they don't want their messages archived *for eternity* for anyone on a search engine to dig up.
So I took the Alias line out of httpd.conf, and am ripping out anything in the template .txt files that refers users to the webpage versions... unfortunatly, I can't seem to tell mailman to reload these versions either...
ENABLING SUPER PROMISCUOUS MODE
Ok, its hard enough to get my grandmother to go through the hunt and peck tribulations of sending out one email, let alone replying to a confirm email... I'm finding 90% of the users I invite to join want to join, but never make it to sending out an email to the right address, let alone confirming it, and then knowing they have to post to yet another address to post to the list (these are low volume lists).
It would be cool if there was just *one* email address per list, that everything was done to... and that by sending an email to it you are automatically subscribed. K.I.S.S. kind of thing.
I assume that is what setting up the subscribe policy does: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0 ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
However, again I can't get mailman to read in the new values...
Am I going to have to delete the lists, and recreate them, whenever I want the values in mm_cfg.cy changed? Some lists I want with some confirmation levels, while others I want to be unmoderated... this presents its own set of problems. If this is done from the web interface let me know, as I don't have access to that... so where in the raw files... are these stored?
ADDING USERS DIRECTLY
Also, can I edit the list subscribers list directly and add people myself, and bypass them having to do anything to be on the list? It would be nice if there were a script for this... 'addlistuser username list'
--
Mark Starr ICQ: 15499085
email: mrstarr@nyx.net mrstarr@sdf.lonestar.org
http://talk.to/markstarr Tollfree: 877-599-7813 http://move.to/moneytracker Fax: 877-599-7813 http://come.to/cffcafe Office: 706-592-5299
There is a command add_members which will add all users in a specific text file (one email per line)... (found in same directory as newlist - .../mailman/bin/) e.g. add_members -n new_users.txt
A lot of these modifications can be done on the admin web pages http://your.host/mailman/admin/your_list/ Then you won't have to worry about the locations of the files.
You can make a group private or public.... The private archives require a password to get in... You're going to need that alias in there if you want Apache to recognize the links and allow access.
Mine are in srm.conf not httpd.conf... not sure if that will matter... seems like it might.
The <Directory $where_you_installed_mailman/mailman/archives/public> Options FollowSymLinks allow,deny, etc. etc. This is the command that allows access to the public archives and not the private. it needs to be in srm.conf also.
When you subscribe them there is no confirmation needed... You're other choices could include approval from you... then no confirmation is needed. All of this can be done on the admin web page... which is, in general, much easier to use when just getting it going.
Mark Herzog University of Alaska Fairbanks ftmph@uaf.edu
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Starr Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:20 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re-loading Changed Mailman Config Files - How?
RELOAD MM_CFG.PY -- HOW?
I modify mm_cfg.py with new values, but established lists are not effected. They continue to use the old values. How do I tell mailman to reread this config file regarding already in use lists? (Even modifying Defaults.py produces no change - yeah, I tried just as a test).
Rebooting the server does not make mailman reread its config files... (!)
I am guessing for every list that is created, a snapshot is taken of these files and stored with each individual list... but where... I can not find... these individual per list config files.
WEB INTERFACE
I determines I was still having problems with the web interface as like the docs said apache was running as nobody, and rather than recompile the thing and start over -with-cgi-gid, I came to the realization I didn't want my users posts read *at all* from the web... this would be a big security hole for a private list, and I'm sure they don't want their messages archived *for eternity* for anyone on a search engine to dig up.
So I took the Alias line out of httpd.conf, and am ripping out anything in the template .txt files that refers users to the webpage versions... unfortunatly, I can't seem to tell mailman to reload these versions either...
ENABLING SUPER PROMISCUOUS MODE
Ok, its hard enough to get my grandmother to go through the hunt and peck tribulations of sending out one email, let alone replying to a confirm email... I'm finding 90% of the users I invite to join want to join, but never make it to sending out an email to the right address, let alone confirming it, and then knowing they have to post to yet another address to post to the list (these are low volume lists).
It would be cool if there was just *one* email address per list, that everything was done to... and that by sending an email to it you are automatically subscribed. K.I.S.S. kind of thing.
I assume that is what setting up the subscribe policy does: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0 ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
However, again I can't get mailman to read in the new values...
Am I going to have to delete the lists, and recreate them, whenever I want the values in mm_cfg.cy changed? Some lists I want with some confirmation levels, while others I want to be unmoderated... this presents its own set of problems. If this is done from the web interface let me know, as I don't have access to that... so where in the raw files... are these stored?
ADDING USERS DIRECTLY
Also, can I edit the list subscribers list directly and add people myself, and bypass them having to do anything to be on the list? It would be nice if there were a script for this... 'addlistuser username list'
--
Mark Starr ICQ: 15499085
email: mrstarr@nyx.net mrstarr@sdf.lonestar.org
http://talk.to/markstarr Tollfree: 877-599-7813 http://move.to/moneytracker Fax: 877-599-7813 http://come.to/cffcafe Office: 706-592-5299
Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
There is a command add_members which will add all users in a specific text file (one email per line)... (found in same directory as newlist - .../mailman/bin/) e.g. add_members -n new_users.txt
A lot of these modifications can be done on the admin web pages http://your.host/mailman/admin/your_list/ Then you won't have to worry about the locations of the files.
You can make a group private or public.... The private archives require a password to get in... You're going to need that alias in there if you want Apache to recognize the links and allow access.
Mine are in srm.conf not httpd.conf... not sure if that will matter... seems like it might.
The <Directory $where_you_installed_mailman/mailman/archives/public> Options FollowSymLinks allow,deny, etc. etc. This is the command that allows access to the public archives and not the private. it needs to be in srm.conf also.
When you subscribe them there is no confirmation needed... You're other choices could include approval from you... then no confirmation is needed. All of this can be done on the admin web page... which is, in general, much easier to use when just getting it going.
Mark Herzog University of Alaska Fairbanks ftmph@uaf.edu
-----Original Message----- From: mailman-users-admin@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Starr Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 10:20 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re-loading Changed Mailman Config Files - How?
RELOAD MM_CFG.PY -- HOW?
I modify mm_cfg.py with new values, but established lists are not effected. They continue to use the old values. How do I tell mailman to reread this config file regarding already in use lists? (Even modifying Defaults.py produces no change - yeah, I tried just as a test).
Rebooting the server does not make mailman reread its config files... (!)
I am guessing for every list that is created, a snapshot is taken of these files and stored with each individual list... but where... I can not find... these individual per list config files.
WEB INTERFACE
I determines I was still having problems with the web interface as like the docs said apache was running as nobody, and rather than recompile the thing and start over -with-cgi-gid, I came to the realization I didn't want my users posts read *at all* from the web... this would be a big security hole for a private list, and I'm sure they don't want their messages archived *for eternity* for anyone on a search engine to dig up.
So I took the Alias line out of httpd.conf, and am ripping out anything in the template .txt files that refers users to the webpage versions... unfortunatly, I can't seem to tell mailman to reload these versions either...
ENABLING SUPER PROMISCUOUS MODE
Ok, its hard enough to get my grandmother to go through the hunt and peck tribulations of sending out one email, let alone replying to a confirm email... I'm finding 90% of the users I invite to join want to join, but never make it to sending out an email to the right address, let alone confirming it, and then knowing they have to post to yet another address to post to the list (these are low volume lists).
It would be cool if there was just *one* email address per list, that everything was done to... and that by sending an email to it you are automatically subscribed. K.I.S.S. kind of thing.
I assume that is what setting up the subscribe policy does: DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 0 ALLOW_OPEN_SUBSCRIBE = 1
However, again I can't get mailman to read in the new values...
Am I going to have to delete the lists, and recreate them, whenever I want the values in mm_cfg.cy changed? Some lists I want with some confirmation levels, while others I want to be unmoderated... this presents its own set of problems. If this is done from the web interface let me know, as I don't have access to that... so where in the raw files... are these stored?
ADDING USERS DIRECTLY
Also, can I edit the list subscribers list directly and add people myself, and bypass them having to do anything to be on the list? It would be nice if there were a script for this... 'addlistuser username list'
--
Mark Starr ICQ: 15499085
email: mrstarr@nyx.net mrstarr@sdf.lonestar.org
http://talk.to/markstarr Tollfree: 877-599-7813 http://move.to/moneytracker Fax: 877-599-7813 http://come.to/cffcafe Office: 706-592-5299
Mailman-Users maillist - Mailman-Users@python.org http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
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