Subscribed, received Welcome, but no articles.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
For several of the mailman lists that I have subscribed to, I received the Welcome, but no articles. So I subscribed to the mailman-users list to inquire. But no articles here either! (And I see from http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2010-September.txt.gz that there were postings as recent as a few hours ago as I write.)
I am sending this to the list posting address not knowing whether it will get posted and unable, because of the foregoing, to see the results. So please CC: your response to me.
I have looked at the following FAQ pages, but they pertain to what the administrator should do in a circumstance like this, not to what I, as a subscriber, might do.
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=8683538 http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/4.78+Troubleshooting-+No+mail+going+out+to+... http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I%27ve+set+up+Mailman,+created+a+list,+and+...
I have subscribed to four different mailman mailing lists over the past year or so. Only one is sending both articles and reminders. third is sending neither. And now this one is sending no articles.
- From another, I receive the monthly reminders but no articles. A
In all cases, subscription was via email, and confirmation and Welcome completed as expected.
In all cases, X-Mailman-Version: is 2.1.9 or 2.1.12.
In all cases, email response to "set show" /is/ received, and shows delivery on and reminders on.
I installed mailman (and apache and exim4) on a throw-away virtual machine here, but have not found a way to provoke the problem. (Each subscriber to the test list that I created receives all postings, whether the subscription was via the web interface or mail.)
Help!
-- StealthMonger <StealthMonger@nym.mixmin.net> Long, random latency is part of the price of Internet anonymity.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8+ <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/>
iEYEARECAAYFAkyBvoUACgkQDkU5rhlDCl42mACcDcfEv8LGYbSPfSbDTJIhWeCG mn8AoIcFqf1vu3LpE7imLk/IduyoI6vL =QvrB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
StealthMonger wrote:
I have subscribed to four different mailman mailing lists over the past year or so. Only one is sending both articles and reminders. third is sending neither. And now this one is sending no articles.
- From another, I receive the monthly reminders but no articles. A
I don't have access to the MTA logs at mail.python.org, but even so, I am certain that the mailman-users@python.org list has been sending posts to your address. Also, it appears that no bounces of these posts have been returned to Mailman.
Since you do receive some mail (at least the welcome) from all the lists and you receive posts from one list, it is difficult to understand what might distinguish the mail you do receive from that which you don't receive.
E.g. list posts are sent with Precedence: list, but you do receive posts from one list; list Welcome is sent with Precedence: bulk and it would seem that if Precedence: list mail is filtered, Precedence: bulk would be too.
In all cases, subscription was via email, and confirmation and Welcome completed as expected.
In all cases, X-Mailman-Version: is 2.1.9 or 2.1.12.
In all cases, email response to "set show" /is/ received, and shows delivery on and reminders on.
There is no reason that I can see or imagine why your address would be singled out to not be sent posts from this or any other list if delivery is enabled which it is.
I think it must be some filtering in the path from the list(s) to you that is dropping the mail. The only thing I can even guess that might be causing this is subject prefixing. Does the list from which you receive posts have a subject prefix of the form [listname]? If not, is it possible that something is filtering mail that does. If so, you may not receive this either even though it is directly addressed to you.
In case this is the problem, I will send another copy directly to you without the [Mailman-Users] subject prefix. It will be interesting to see what you get.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Mark, thank you for your kind attention.
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> writes:
I don't have access to the MTA logs at mail.python.org, but even so, I am certain that the mailman-users@python.org list has been sending posts to your address.
Could you please positively verify this with someone who does have access to the MTA logs? I am pondering your mail to me, and don't yet have any other good ideas.
Since you do receive some mail (at least the welcome) from all the lists and you receive posts from one list, it is difficult to understand what might distinguish the mail you do receive from that which you don't receive.
Indeed.
E.g. list posts are sent with Precedence: list, but you do receive posts from one list;
Yep. Corroborated by headers on a received posting. See below.
There is no reason that I can see or imagine why your address would be singled out to not be sent posts from this or any other list if delivery is enabled which it is.
What I have imagined is that somewhere in the bowels of mailman record is kept of whether there has ever been a CAPTCHA-like verification of a subscriber, and that delivery is suppressed if not. But my study so far of the source code reveals no such thing.
I think it must be some filtering in the path from the list(s) to you that is dropping the mail.
I'll be intensifying my investigation of this possibility as a result of this mail from you, but I have to say I'm skeptical.
The only thing I can even guess that might be causing this is subject prefixing. Does the list from which you receive posts have a subject prefix of the form [listname]?
Yes. See below.
In case this is the problem, I will send another copy directly to you without the [Mailman-Users] subject prefix. It will be interesting to see what you get.
Got both of them. diff shows no surprises.
I don't think I violate anyone's confidences by sending you a complete copy of the headers of a posting that I received from the one mailman list from which I do receive postings:
Received: by nym.mixmin.net with unique id GYPo-EB8O9Ix8u for <stealthmonger@nym.mixmin.net>; Tue Jul 13 06:52:10 2010 +0000 (GMT) X-From: bitcoin-list-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net Tue Jul 13 07:52:10 2010 Return-Path: <bitcoin-list-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net> X-Original-To: StealthMonger@nym.mixmin.net Delivered-To: nymserv@mixmin.net Received: from lists.sourceforge.net (lists.sourceforge.net [216.34.181.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by fleegle.mixmin.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D2A081478 for <StealthMonger@nym.mixmin.net>; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:52:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <bitcoin-list-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net>) id 1OYZLZ-0004eC-Ln; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:52:05 +0000 Received: from sfi-mx-3.v28.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.28.123] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <jackjrabbit@gmail.com>) id 1OYZLY-0004e4-Ic for bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:52:04 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sfi-mx-3.v28.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; envelope-from=jackjrabbit@gmail.com; helo=mail-iw0-f175.google.com; Received: from mail-iw0-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]) by sfi-mx-3.v28.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1OYZLX-0000Ed-RV for bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 06:52:04 +0000 Received: by iwn34 with SMTP id 34so5014580iwn.34 for <bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:51:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.155.206 with SMTP id t14mr12920336ibw.34.1279003891357; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.36.132 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 01:51:31 -0500 Message-ID: <AANLkTimC9iBCS7IMr26oMlf-xiggL__Q976ddDIsySoe@mail.gmail.com> From: "Jack L." <jackjrabbit@gmail.com> To: bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net X-Headers-End: 1OYZLX-0000Ed-RV X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9 Subject: [bitcoin-list] [PATCH] create obj and obj/nogui folders before use X-BeenThere: bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-list.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-list>, <mailto:bitcoin-list-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-list> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-list@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-list-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-list>, <mailto:bitcoin-list-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: bitcoin-list-bounces@lists.sourceforge.net
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8+ <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/>
iEYEARECAAYFAkyCg1QACgkQDkU5rhlDCl5x/QCcC5VqgimALUVW378QMHpNVFy6 GMwAoLZunIJIVUiuN5wvf9WCi50y+k8j =jw0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
StealthMonger wrote:
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> writes:
I don't have access to the MTA logs at mail.python.org, but even so, I am certain that the mailman-users@python.org list has been sending posts to your address.
Could you please positively verify this with someone who does have access to the MTA logs? I am pondering your mail to me, and don't yet have any other good ideas.
I will ask the Postmasters. I have also included you in this reply as a Bcc: only so the list should send you a copy in spite of your nodupes setting.
[...]
There is no reason that I can see or imagine why your address would be singled out to not be sent posts from this or any other list if delivery is enabled which it is.
What I have imagined is that somewhere in the bowels of mailman record is kept of whether there has ever been a CAPTCHA-like verification of a subscriber, and that delivery is suppressed if not. But my study so far of the source code reveals no such thing.
And there is no such thing. I can't speak for the other lists and what mods they might have, but this list is standard GNU Mailman and the only things that affect what messages you are sent are regular/digest (you are set to regular), nomail (you are enabled), not metoo (don't send copies of your own posts - not set in your case) and nodupes (don't send copies of posts of which you are an explicit addressee).
There are no additional hidden settings, flags or switches.
I think it must be some filtering in the path from the list(s) to you that is dropping the mail.
I'll be intensifying my investigation of this possibility as a result of this mail from you, but I have to say I'm skeptical.
It seems unlikely, I admit, but I couldn't think of anything else.
The only thing I can even guess that might be causing this is subject prefixing. Does the list from which you receive posts have a subject prefix of the form [listname]?
Yes. See below.
In case this is the problem, I will send another copy directly to you without the [Mailman-Users] subject prefix. It will be interesting to see what you get.
Got both of them. diff shows no surprises.
And you should receive this via the Bcc, and I'll ask the Postmasters to verify that a copy was sent from the list.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
participants (2)
-
Mark Sapiro -
StealthMonger